OT: Baseball coming to Portland in the near future (AGAIN?)

[santeesioux]

PT . . . FC

We're talking about pro sports mayne

 

[BigGameDamian]

Go big or go home, eh?

Don't get me wrong I love college ball when it comes to the Ducks and the Final Four but Portland really does deserve to be more than a one trick pony when it comes to pro sports.

 

[Eastoff]

Don't get me wrong I love college ball when it comes to the Ducks and the Final Four but Portland really does deserve to be more than a one trick pony when it comes to pro sports.

So what does Baseball have to do with it?

 

[Draco]

Don't get me wrong I love college ball when it comes to the Ducks and the Final Four but Portland really does deserve to be more than a one trick pony when it comes to pro sports.

Portland is, we have the Timbers. MLS draws more fans than NHL hockey

 

[julius]

Portland is, we have the Timbers. MLS draws more fans than NHL hockey

Good point!
http://mlsattendance.blogspot.com/

Some of it is because they're playing in bigger arenas AND have half the # of games and it's spread out over a longer season, BUT I don't think the NHL would get 20-40K per team on average.

Damn Seattle Customers...

Anyways, the size of their stadiums plays a huge role in their #'s, it's why they average more fans than NBA teams do. NBA games are a grind, usually late at night and not usually on the weekends.

Either way, to act like MLS isn't now a major league sport, is just being defiant.

 

[Draco]

Good point!
http://mlsattendance.blogspot.com/

Some of it is because they're playing in bigger arenas AND have half the # of games and it's spread out over a longer season, BUT I don't think the NHL would get 20-40K per team on average.

Damn Seattle Customers...

Anyways, the size of their stadiums plays a huge role in their #'s, it's why they average more fans than NBA teams do. NBA games are a grind, usually late at night and not usually on the weekends.

Either way, to act like MLS isn't now a major league sport, is just being defiant.

Yeah and its growing so much every year. In a decade it may rival MLB. Baseball average fan age is almost 60!

 

[Strenuus]

Yeah and its growing so much every year. In a decade it may rival MLB. Baseball average fan age is almost 60!

Link to the avg baseball fan being 60? What criteria did they use?

It will never be bigger than the MLB. MLS will ebb and flow with the World Cup. It'll be fifth fiddle in 2 years. It's the minor league of soccer, after all.

 

[Wheels]

<--- me when I see people continously hate and doubt soccer and its growth, cause its the cool thing to do.

 

[Strenuus]

<--- me when I see people continously hate and doubt soccer and its growth, cause its the cool thing to do.

It's not the USA sport. It's fact. It's a niche sport here. Other countires? Sure, it's huge. Hockey is huge in Canada... but it's not nearly as huge here.

NFL is huge here, but it's a niche sport in another country. It's just true.

 

[Wheels]

also I like Baseball y'all

 

[Wheels]

It's not the USA sport. It's fact. It's a niche sport here. Other countires? Sure, it's huge. Hockey is huge in Canada... but it's not nearly as huge here.

NFL is huge here, but it's a niche sport in another country. It's just true.

I'm not arguing that Soccer is #1 here. But what I laugh about is the Dwight Jaynes like era who do all they can to bash Soccer.

What we are seeing now is the generation of people who grew up with Soccer as an actual league here, becoming fully grown and having kids of their own too.

MLS salaries are paltry compared to other leagues in the US and the world. But MLS is also what 18 years old? And even that is showing to be changing with the MLS ownership changing and money they are throwing around.

I havent even touched on the melting pot that this country is, and the love of the sport generations of their families bring.

I use the Burns pic cause its funny for me the awakening people are in for just cause they've grown up hating soccer.

 

[Wheels]

also people keep wanting to say it will never be NFL and king. MLS season overlaps with about a month of NFL, they dont need to compete with NFL. MLB is the only one with direct competition for pretty much the whole season.

 

[Wheels]

lastly I wasnt really trying to single you out Strennus, sorry if it came across that way.

 

[Strenuus]

I'm not arguing that Soccer is #1 here. But what I laugh about is the Dwight Jaynes like era who do all they can to bash Soccer.

What we are seeing now is the generation of people who grew up with Soccer as an actual league here, becoming fully grown and having kids of their own too.

MLS salaries are paltry compared to other leagues in the US and the world. But MLS is also what 18 years old?

I use the Burns pic cause its funny for me the awakening people are in for just cause they've grown up hating soccer.

I don't actually hate soccer, but I don't "enjoy" it either. I also just don't see any actual trends that it's growing outside of the cities that the MLS is in outside of when the World Cup happens.

Everyone talks about the NFL here, whether it's in their city or not. (Though I wish that stopped.) Everyone talks about the MLB for the same reason, and people talk about certain players in the NBA (Not usually actual teams, but that's a media thing).

Anyway, you may be right that the generational thing may be happening, but it will never overtake the MLB, NBA, or NFL.

 

[Wheels]

I don't actually hate soccer, but I don't "enjoy" it either. I also just don't see any actual trends that it's growing outside of the cities that the MLS is in outside of when the World Cup happens.

Everyone talks about the NFL here, whether it's in their city or not. (Though I wish that stopped.) Everyone talks about the MLB for the same reason, and people talk about certain players in the NBA (Not usually actual teams, but that's a media thing).

Anyway, you may be right that the generational thing may be happening, but it will never overtake the MLB, NBA, or NFL.

I think the main difference is accessibility now. I had no league of Soccer in this country until I was 10 years old. There were obviously established leagues then, but no real way to watch them. Now its incredibly easy to keep up with leagues with the best players in the world.

There is some study that shows the age demographics and how many younger ones have Soccer as their 2nd favorite sport behind NFL. I think it was on ESPN or something, but I'm staying away from that to avoid today's scores. I'll try and find it later haha.

IMO MLB will be passed but NBA and NFL are a ways off to even worry about overtaking them (which fortunately again, they dont have to)

 

[Wheels]

I think this is the report. Sorry if not, I think scores were at the top of the screen so I avoided lol

http://www.espnfc.com/major-league-...hes-mlb-in-popularity-with-kidssays-espn-poll

http://sportspath.typepad.com/files/soccer-popularity-continues-to-climb.pdf

 

[Strenuus]

I think this is the report. Sorry if not, I think scores were at the top of the screen so I avoided lol

http://www.espnfc.com/major-league-...hes-mlb-in-popularity-with-kidssays-espn-poll

http://sportspath.typepad.com/files/soccer-popularity-continues-to-climb.pdf

Thanks for the links. I just don't see it though. I wish they had a bigger number of people than 13,000 ish people for an entire year. That's not enough to draw a conclusion for any sport.

I think once Baseball gets out of the steroid era, it will go 2nd or 3rd with the NBA 10-15 years from now. Ironically, it's why it did get popular in the late 90's with Mcgwire and Sosa... but it was already Americas Pastime.

 

[jlprk]

bullshit. Baseball is a dying sport. http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303843104579167812218839786

The average World Series viewer this year is 54.4 years old, according to Nielsen, the media research firm. The trend line is heading north: The average age was 49.9 in 2009. Kids age 6 to 17 represented just 4.3% of the average audience for the American and National League Championship Series this year, compared with 7.4% a decade ago.

Comparisons with the NFL are pointless. That behemoth of North American sports dominates nearly every demographic. But kids make up a larger segment of the television audiences for the NBA, NHL and even soccer's English Premier League than they do for baseball.

Kids accounted for 9.4% of the NBA conference finals audience this year, compared with 10.6% a decade ago. They represented 9% of the NHL conference-finals audience in the spring. For Premier League soccer on the NBC Sports Network, kids are accounting for 11% of the audience.

That should be a plus for baseball advertising revenue. Baseball has more beer-drinking viewers than basketball.

Who gives a shit how many toddlers watch? I don't get it.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I hope we can land the A's or D-Rays but landing the Raiders would trump MLB to Portland.

 

[Draco]

I don't actually hate soccer, but I don't "enjoy" it either. I also just don't see any actual trends that it's growing outside of the cities that the MLS is in outside of when the World Cup happens.

Everyone talks about the NFL here, whether it's in their city or not. (Though I wish that stopped.) Everyone talks about the MLB for the same reason, and people talk about certain players in the NBA (Not usually actual teams, but that's a media thing).

Anyway, you may be right that the generational thing may be happening, but it will never overtake the MLB, NBA, or NFL.

MLS attendance by year

2004 2,333,797
2005 2,900,716
2006 2,976,787
2007 3,270,210
2008 3,456,600
2009 3,608,325
2010 4,002,000
2011 5,468,951
2012 6,074,729

 

[Draco]

That should be a plus for baseball advertising revenue. Baseball has more beer-drinking viewers than basketball.

Who gives a shit how many toddlers watch? I don't get it.

Old people are cheap, set in their ways, and don't buy shit. Young people and especially kids want to buy everything they see on TV.

 

[Strenuus]

Old people are cheap, set in their ways, and don't buy shit. Young people and especially kids want to buy everything they see on TV.

Want their PARENTS to buy everything....

 

[Wheels]

Thanks for the links. I just don't see it though. I wish they had a bigger number of people than 13,000 ish people for an entire year. That's not enough to draw a conclusion for any sport.

I think once Baseball gets out of the steroid era, it will go 2nd or 3rd with the NBA 10-15 years from now. Ironically, it's why it did get popular in the late 90's with Mcgwire and Sosa... but it was already Americas Pastime.

sorry I missed this. No prob my friend. Here's to hoping both sports succeed. For me personally at least as someone who grew up with a Baseball fanatical dad. And have always been around Soccer, but truly fallen in love with it in the last 6 years or so.

 

[BigGameDamian]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...hich-could-mean-raiders-will-have-a-new-town/

A’s claim they have a new lease, which could mean Raiders will have a new town

The travesty apparently will continue.

That’s the word Raiders owner Mark Davis has applied to the lingering reality that his team plays many of its games with a giant dirt baseball infield superimposed on what otherwise would be green grass made extra lush by the top-quality fertilizer flowing freely at times from the stadium bathrooms. The infield is there because the A’s share the venue, and the A’s announced Wednesday a 10-year agreement to keep playing there.

As explained by Matt O’Brien of the San Jose Mercury News, city and county officials found the announcement from A’s owner Lew Wolff and Commissioner Bud Selig surprising, since from the politicians’ perspective an agreement on a new lease has not yet been reached.

Davis may used a word other than “surprising” to characterize his thoughts on the matter.

While Davis typically says all the right things about sharing a stadium with the A’s (except for the “travesty” remark), a lease that would keep the A’s at the current stadium location for a decade complicates the football team’s search for a new home. Davis wants a stadium without a baseball infield, which means a stadium without a baseball team. With the A’s intending to stay at the O.co Coliseum for another 10 years and hoping for a new building at the same location, that’s one less place where the Raiders can develop a long-term home.

These events are happening at a time when the Raiders have the ability, if at least 23 other owners will let them, to pack up and move to a new city. The Raiders have a one-year lease, and Davis has repeatedly expressed frustration about the lack of progress toward a solution. If, as it appears, the A’s are securing the deal they want at a time the Raiders can’t (even though Oakland had hoped to do a deal with the Raiders first), don’t be shocked if Davis finally commences the launch sequence for a relocation to L.A. or Portland or anywhere that would embrace the Silver and Black with a state-of-the-art stadium consisting of 120-by-53 yards of continuous green.

 

[julius]

Not sure why they mention Portland, or where they'd play IN Portland. I guess Auzten until they build something up in the Portland area.

I'd get behind a football team in Portland, but don't give a shit if they move to Portland.

 

[santeesioux]

Yeah, forget about baseball if we got an NFL team. I'd go from a Niners fan to a fan of the silver and black in a half a second if they moved up here.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Not sure why they mention Portland, or where they'd play IN Portland. I guess Auzten until they build something up in the Portland area.

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No kidding. As long as LA is without a team, they will be everyone's first choice. Especially for the Raiders who have history there.

 

[Wheels]

Yeah, forget about baseball if we got an NFL team. I'd go from a Niners fan to a fan of the silver and black in a half a second if they moved up here.

it sure would make me feel sick as a Broncos fan to be ok with the Raiders haha

 

[crandc]

Go ahead, take the Raiders. Leave the A's.
Oklnd. It wouldn't be the same without the A's.

 

[ripcityboy]

I wouldn't mind the Raiders here. I wouldn't have to go to Cali to see the Jets every year.