Over 1,500 Christians killed in Iraq yesterday and nobody cares

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oldmangrouch said:
Wait...in the past, haven't you said you OPPOSE US involvement in the middle-east?

Besides - the same ISIS terrorists who are killing Christians believe homosexuals should be put to death. The OP linked terrorism to gay marriage, so it seems a relevant observation. :dunno:
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Wasn't me. I don't oppose it at all.
 
oldguy said:
You don't see a distinction between willing to die for one's beliefs and willing to murder for them?

Go Blazers
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I do, but my point was that the belief matters and so do the actions taken. I was responding to the blanket statement from mags about giving respect to those willing to die for their beliefs. Well, over modern history there are many instances where people were willing to die for their beliefs but that shouldn't equate to respect. Drinking poisoned koolaid over belief in ones religion doesn't garner my respect, but a shake of the head for being so gullible. Some beliefs matter and some don't. The overreaching idea that just being willing to die for ones belief isn't enough for respect from me, the belief, history of that belief, correctness of that belief, actions taken by people with and without that belief all come into play.
 
MARIS61 said:
Christians in Iraq are terrorists, from the viewpoint of most of Iraq's citizenry. They are primarily transplanted westerners living there for the sole purpose of "converting" Iraqis to Christianity. They deliberately stirred up a hornet's nest by disrespecting all other religions there and now they can deal with the consequences of their actions.

Certainly no reason for Americans to lose lives over it.
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Not true, but thanks for playing.
 
magnifier661 said:
Then we should all agree this is a tragedy right? No need to use a remark that Christians only care about Christians. Last time I checked, Christians try and help those that are lost because they care about their eternity
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Well, unless they're gay. Or "living in sin". Or pot smokers. Or Atheists. Or scientists. Or any religion other than Christian.

Christians helping non-Christians occurs only as a coercive device for recruitment.

It has been my lifelong experience that Atheists are the kindest, most caring humans on Earth.
 
oldguy said:
Our Sly friend was talking about WW's against the Germans. Does anyone think we weren't on the 'right' side of those wars?
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There is no "right side" to wars, as wars are simply an agreement by all willing participants to set morality aside and slaughter each other in ways so heinous it would make Jeffrey Dahmer gag.

Wars are circular, having no sides save inside and outside.

If you're inside a war, you're on the wrong side.
 
magnifier661 said:
Do you know that Christian outreach has helped and fed millions of people in third world countries. I think they care
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If they cared, they'd help American families who are homeless and starving rather than turn their backs on them in favor of more mentally-pliable third-worlders.

Recruitment and brainwashing, nothing more.

Pray to my god and I'll give you a bowl of rice for your starving child.

Pray to my god tomorrow and I'll give you another bowl of rice for your starving child.
 
 
This has nothing to do with what you think about christianity, people are being ruthlessly slaughtered.
 
MARIS61 said:
If they cared, they'd help American families who are homeless and starving rather than turn their backs on them in favor of more mentally-pliable third-worlders.

Recruitment and brainwashing, nothing more.

Pray to my god and I'll give you a bowl of rice for your starving child.

Pray to my god tomorrow and I'll give you another bowl of rice for your starving child.
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They still do help American homeless.
 
Maris, I'm not a Christian and I share a disdain for the prostlatizing some of them do, but there is also a ton of evidence that they help many peoples here and abroad without a prostlatizing component. I give blood regularity and on my last donation I was just ahead of a church group who donate together once a month. Do you think they require you prey before receiving a blood transfusion?

Most people I come in contact with, be they religious or atheist are caring people who give of themselves financially or physically in some way. It's a bit disgusting for you to denigrate a giant swath of people as uncaring just cause they believe in a story you and I don't.
 
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magnifier661 said:
They still do help American homeless.
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I've seen no evidence of it in my lifetime, despite working over 20 years in the core of downtown Portland. With most Americans proclaiming they are Christians you'd think they'd be the biggest providers of charity to Americans, but they're not even on the list.

A soup kitchen that requires you to pretend to be a Christian to get a bowl of soup is not charity. It is coercion and exploitation of the weakest and most destitute. Preying is more accurate than praying in this case. It's big business posing as charity to get a tax exemption.
 
OdenRoyLMA2 said:
And also, people have been freaking out about the whole bombing, Hamas/Israel, terrorism, human shield stuff for weeks.
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Nobody I know has.

They've been killing each other over there for longer than Shooter thinks the world is old, and they'll never stop killing each other over there. Only a fucking idiot would believe there is any chance of ever attaining peace in the middle east.

Best to let them slaughter each other and stay the fuck out of it because that's what they want to do. They like to kill each other, and they like to kill anyone who gets involved.

Money that we waste bombing idiots in the middle east would be better spent fixing highways, or parks, or providing health care to Americans.
 
MARIS61 said:
I've seen no evidence of it in my lifetime, despite working over 20 years in the core of downtown Portland. With most Americans proclaiming they are Christians you'd think they'd be the biggest providers of charity to Americans, but they're not even on the list.

A soup kitchen that requires you to pretend to be a Christian to get a bowl of soup is not charity. It is coercion and exploitation of the weakest and most destitute. Preying is more accurate than praying in this case. It's big business posing as charity to get a tax exemption.
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Well since you are a bit of the vast statistic of this planet, we can take it for the grain of sand it is.

I have been a part of many Christian outreach with homeless. There are thousands of church organizations that help the homeless as well.

I suspect your general hatred for God (as funny as that sounds, since you don't even believe in him) has clouded your vision. As the saying goes "can't see the forest through the trees".

http://christianity.about.com/od/faithinaction/qt/homeless.htm

http://www.christianhelp.org

And thousands others I can share for you. I doubt you even click on one link though
 
MARIS61 said:
Nobody I know has.

They've been killing each other over there for longer than Shooter thinks the world is old, and they'll never stop killing each other over there. Only a fucking idiot would believe there is any chance of ever attaining peace in the middle east.

Best to let them slaughter each other and stay the fuck out of it because that's what they want to do. They like to kill each other, and they like to kill anyone who gets involved.

Money that we waste bombing idiots in the middle east would be better spent fixing highways, or parks, or providing health care to Americans.
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As long as we don't have Obama providing it. He asked you to turn your guns in, to help fund jobs for the homeless. You game?
 
magnifier661 said:
Well since you are a bit of the vast statistic of this planet, we can take it for the grain of sand it is.

I have been a part of many Christian outreach with homeless. There are thousands of church organizations that help the homeless as well.

I suspect your general hatred for God (as funny as that sounds, since you don't even believe in him) has clouded your vision. As the saying goes "can't see the forest through the trees".

http://christianity.about.com/od/faithinaction/qt/homeless.htm

http://www.christianhelp.org

And thousands others I can share for you. I doubt you even click on one link though
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Perused both links, which prove my point.
 
MARIS61 said:
Perused both links, which prove my point.
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Actually it really didn't. You said Christians don't help the homeless. I proved they did. You didn't provide any proof but your personal accounts. Mine trumps yours since you claimed Christians don't help the homeless.

Next...
 
magnifier661 said:
As long as we don't have Obama providing it. He asked you to turn your guns in, to help fund jobs for the homeless. You game?
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Good comparison.

Both Obama and Organized Christianity are lying to people in order to attain their own personal goals of domination over them.
 
magnifier661 said:
Actually it really didn't. You said Christians don't help the homeless. I proved they did. You didn't provide any proof but your personal accounts. Mine trumps yours since you claimed Christians don't help the homeless.

Next...
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That's not what I said.
 
MARIS61 said:
Good comparison.

Both Obama and Organized Christianity are lying to people in order to attain their own personal goals of domination over them.
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That's the problem with you though bro. You are a liberal and my example actually proves my point.

You have faith in liberal views, yet there is a liberal you absolutely hate. Can I generalize and say "all liberals are there to control your rights as Americans" using Obama as an example?

I was waiting for you to walk into this post like this. Puts it into perspective doesn't it?
 
MARIS61 said:
That's not what I said.
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You didn't write this?

MARIS61 said:
If they cared, they'd help American families who are homeless and starving rather than turn their backs on them in favor of more mentally-pliable third-worlders.

Recruitment and brainwashing, nothing more.

Pray to my god and I'll give you a bowl of rice for your starving child.

Pray to my god tomorrow and I'll give you another bowl of rice for your starving child.
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That explains that Christians do not help American homeless right?
 
Or let's use your logic Maris...

"Hilary Clinton doesn't care about America because she didn't shake my hand last summer. I was lined up behind 300 men and woman and my hand was out, but she didn't choose me. I am American and she ignored me, therefor she must hate America"

By Maris
 
He no more cares about Iraqi Christians than he does about raped women. If he did, he might actually investigate who is doing something about the situation, like Amnesty International. He might give suggestions for action. All he wants to to is use other people's suffering to talk about how much he hates gay people, no matter how irrelevant.

Meanwhile, if anyone wants actual, you know, facts, because Iraqis are not being persecuted by gay marriage:

Amnesty International

Human Rights Watch

Probably most people in those groups support marriage equality as well.
 
crandc said:
He no more cares about Iraqi Christians than he does about raped women. If he did, he might actually investigate who is doing something about the situation, like Amnesty International. He might give suggestions for action. All he wants to to is use other people's suffering to talk about how much he hates gay people, no matter how irrelevant.

Meanwhile, if anyone wants actual, you know, facts, because Iraqis are not being persecuted by gay marriage:

Amnesty International

Human Rights Watch

Probably most people in those groups support marriage equality as well.
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Curious... How long have you hated men? What started this hatred?
 
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