Point guard comparison

[BonesJones]

When the 'roid rage subsides, re-read what I wrote. I said he may be closer to league average PG than he is to the top of the heap. That was in response to a list that could rank him outside the top-10 PGs, depending on individual preference. That puts him closer to #15 than #1, which is nearing league average territory. It's not rocket science, dude.

'Roid rage? HAH!

So you're suggesting that he might not be top 10. That's ridiculous on many levels. I have the same exact response for this post. Youre trying to clarify your absurdity in a way to make yourself sound less absurd but it's still some crap.

 

[blue9]

I wouldn't want Conley over Dame.

I wouldn't want anything to do with Harden.

At this point, Dame has a much brighter future than Chris Paul.

I take him over Lowry, Thomas, and Irving.

That leaves Westbrook, Giannis, and Curry that maybe are better.

I agree with everything you said. But I still agree that it's arguable whether Dame ranks in the 6ish region or 10ish region of the Top 10. I'm sure TOR fans would rather take Lowry, and CLE fans Irving. I hate Harden, but he's certainly better than Dame. And just because Dame has a brighter future than Paul doesn't mean he's better - and that begs the question, how many in-coming PGs are going to be as good or better than Dame when Dame is finally better than Paul?

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm not even sure Paul is better than Dame right now.

He's better on defense and getting assists.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I'm not even sure Paul is better than Dame right now.

He's better on defense and getting assists.

He's also a more efficient scorer and a better rebounder.

 

[Denny Crane]

He's also a more efficient scorer and a better rebounder.

He's scoring 10PPG less. Efficient or not.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

He's scoring 10PPG less. Efficient or not.

His usage rate is also significantly lower. He doesn't have to score as much because he's better at setting up his teammates. And overall, he has a greater net impact on his team's performance.

It requires a very narrow view to claim that Dame is better simply because he scores more. Paul does virtually everything else better.

 

[blue9]

He's scoring 10PPG less. Efficient or not.

I'd rather have a PG that creates easy scoring opportunities for his teammates, than a PG that scores 30ppg.
Also: "Efficient or not"? Efficiency is an extremely important aspect of the game. It's why Aldridge sucked here. Half the league could average 20ppg+, but few of them can do it efficiently.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I'm not even sure Paul is better than Dame right now.

They're both exactly the same. Out injured.

 

[Denny Crane]

I'd rather have a PG that creates easy scoring opportunities for his teammates, than a PG that scores 30ppg.
Also: "Efficient or not"? Efficiency is an extremely important aspect of the game. It's why Aldridge sucked here. Half the league could average 20ppg+, but few of them can do it efficiently.

We need Dame to score, given the roster we have.

 

[blue9]

We need Dame to score, given the roster we have.

If he* were better at creating scoring opportunities for others he could score less himself.

*I actually think our system is what needs to be improved the most. But Dame is rather pedestrian when it comes to the primary role of a traditional PG.

 

[Denny Crane]

If he* were better at creating scoring opportunities for others he could score less himself.

*I actually think our system is what needs to be improved the most. But Dame is rather pedestrian when it comes to the primary role of a traditional PG.

Paul has much better offensive players around him to offload the scoring.

Your efficiency will go up if you get to pick and choose your shots.

 

[LicketyBrindle]

He's scoring 10PPG less. Efficient or not.

While that is certainly true, I cant take much value from your premise when aside from Dames scoring volume, the numbers suggest Paul is the better player in practically every conceivable way. Add in the fact that neither you, I nor anybody else would even bother to suggest Dame is in the same class defensively. stepping aside from numbers, just watching the games is all the proof I need anyway. Paul is the prototype of what you want your point guard to be. Simply put, he's better than Dame. Now don't get me wrong, I'm A big Dame fan and feel we are fortunate to have him. He's talented, driven and a proven clutch player. I have no doubts that we can build a winner around him, but I'm not quite ready to take full leave of my senses and say he's better than Paul.

 

[tester551]

Paul has much better offensive players around him to offload the scoring.

Your efficiency will go up if you get to pick and choose your shots.

I don't buy that for a second. I would say they are about equal.
Jordan & Moute can't shoot outside of 3 feet from the basket.
Redick is a better version of Crabbe.
Griffin & Crawford can score - but so can CJ.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't buy that for a second. I would say they are about equal.
Jordan & Moute can't shoot outside of 3 feet from the basket.
Redick is a better version of Crabbe.
Griffin & Crawford can score - but so can CJ.

You just pointed out 3 players who are better around him. Griffin, too.

 

[blue9]

Paul has much better offensive players around him to offload the scoring.

Your efficiency will go up if you get to pick and choose your shots.

Jordan can pretty much only dunk off passes from CP3. Plumlee could do the same...plus has the ability to pass, and has a decent little hook. He just doesn't get served up with lobs.
CJ is shooting better percentages than Redick, and can do more with the ball.
Harkless is shooting basically the same percentage as Griffin* (slightly more), and over 10% better from 3.
Aminu sucks, but so does a Moute.

*No, I'm not saying Harkless is equal to Griffin in scoring ability. But it's not quite as simple as "CP3 has teammates who can score, and Dame doesn't."

 

[H.C.]

Jordan can pretty much only dunk off passes from CP3. Plumlee could do the same...plus has the ability to pass, and has a decent little hook. He just doesn't get served up with lobs.
CJ is shooting better percentages than Redick, and can do more with the ball.
Harkless is shooting basically the same percentage as Griffin* (slightly more), and over 10% better from 3.
Aminu sucks, but so does a Moute.

*No, I'm not saying Harkless is equal to Griffin in scoring ability. But it's not quite as simple as "CP3 has teammates who can score, and Dame doesn't."

All that is fine and good but at the end of the day.
DJ > Plumlee in terms of scoring ability. I think some of the unathletic 4th graders I'm supervising right now could throw lobs to DJ, due to how easy he'd make it on them. Can't say the same thing for Plumlee. His jumper/hook don't get used enough by him to really factor into Plumlee's scoring ability. Nor is a hookshot really setup by others. After the entry pass you're spreading the floor.

JJ > CJ in terms of how much a player relies on someone else to set him up. When is the last time JJ reddick scored 20 points and didn't have 10-15 of those points set up by someone else. His primary role is to catch and shoot. Which is not CJ's primary role.

Griffin > Aminu in terms of almost every offensive basketball skill. They play the same position so that's the better comparison.

Even though the % don't say it. I'd say Crawford > Harkless in terms of catch & shoot, as well as scoring ability. Simply because Crawford takes some dumb ass shots that lower his shooting %. While Harkless plays within himself.


CP3's teammates are better shooters than Lillard's teammates. Outside of CJ... Who doesn't really need Lillard to babysit him like most of CP3's teammates do.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

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