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Scalma said:
Denver is most likely looking to dump Malik Beasley and Hernangomez as they are pending RFAs that aren’t in their rotation. I’d take either.
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It'd probably cost too much for Beasley, I'd be happy to be wrong though!
 
Scalma said:
What’s the inference here, that Winslow is a good shooter? Because he’s not.
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Serviceable and he's always been a good defender and can create offense. I think he's who we wanted ET to be. The only true knocks on him are his injury history and contracts.

Still have him rather than Ariza at this stage in his career anyway. You guys really wouldn't do a straight swap of Ariza for Winslow if MIA wanted that contract off?
 
illmatic99 said:
Different kinda players, no?


When has ET ever shot 37.5% from three on 4 attempts a game?
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So what you're saying is that you want a player that has only been "good" for two years in his career when he became the defacto PG (how does this not sound like Turner?) to come to the Blazers where he won't ever be the primary ball handler and will go back to being a spot up shooter? Yes, I'd rather have Turner back. In fact I'd take Ariza right now over Winslow. The only possible way I'd make that trade is if some other team thought Winslow was good and wanted him as part of another trade.
 
illmatic99 said:
Serviceable and he's always been a good defender and can create offense. I think he's who we wanted ET to be. The only true knocks on him are his injury history and contracts.

Still have him rather than Ariza at this stage in his career anyway. You guys really wouldn't do a straight swap of Ariza for Winslow if MIA wanted that contract off?
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No. Ariza is better and isn’t constantly injured.
 
hoopsjock said:
So what you're saying is that you want a player that has only been "good" for two years in his career when he became the defacto PG (how does this not sound like Turner?) to come to the Blazers where he won't ever be the primary ball handler and will go back to being a spot up shooter? Yes, I'd rather have Turner back. In fact I'd take Ariza right now over Winslow. The only possible way I'd make that trade is if some other team thought Winslow was good and wanted him as part of another trade.
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He's only been in the league for four years. Being good for two of the four while realizing a new role is a positive for most people. I think it's insane that you'd rather have ET or Ariza over a defensive small forward who put up 13/5/4 on 43/38 shooting splits just last season at age 22.

Totally disagree with you on this.

The injury history is really the only reasonable justification against him in mind.
 
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I'd be ok with the Whiteside/Hezonja for Lee/Wright trade, even if that was all that Portland did before the deadline

it would accomplish a few things: a big one would be to basically tank without blatantly tanking, because without Whiteside, Portland's rebounding and paint defense would suck..big time. Might as well try and maximize that draft pick when the 'opportunity' is there

another thing would be to give Portland options next season. It would allow Portland to waive Ariza if they wanted, and still have an MLE-level contract as a trade asset. I'm skeptical the Blazers would carry both Ariza and Wright next season. That's over 22M in salary added to what is already guaranteed

it would finally give Portland, and Stotts, a backup PG on the bench (which may be why Olshey wouldn't do it). And it would add another taller guard to their collection of short ones, and in this case, a guard who plays decent defense
 
illmatic99 said:
He's only been in the league for four years. Being good for two of the four while realizing a new role is a positive for most people. I think it's insane that you'd rather have ET or Ariza over a defensive small forward who put up 13/5/4 on 43/38 shooting splits just last season at age 22.

Totally disagree with you on this.

The injury history is really the only reasonable justification against him in mind.
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I feel like you aren't considering fit. First of all, Winslow would be absolutely brutal in Stotts' offense. He wouldn't be allowed to handle the ball that much and would be relegated to being a spot up shooter. Yes, I'd much rather have Ariza than Winslow in that role. Winslow would look exactly like Bazemore did.
 
hoopsjock said:
I feel like you aren't considering fit. First of all, Winslow would be absolutely brutal in Stotts' offense. He wouldn't be allowed to handle the ball that much and would be relegated to being a spot up shooter. Yes, I'd much rather have Ariza than Winslow in that role. Winslow would look exactly like Bazemore did.
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I don’t know about not being handle the ball, I mean the second unit is desperate for a ballhandler, but yeah, I don’t see him as much of an upgrade over Turner the last couple of years.
 
If we're going to trade Ariza to Miami it should be for Kelly Olynyk. His advanced stats are really good, he can shoot the 3, and is an above average defender. Then we could trade Whiteside without having to worry about finding a center replacement, like the Dallas trade.
 
hoopsjock said:
If we're going to trade Ariza to Miami it should be for Kelly Olynyk. His advanced stats are really good, he can shoot the 3, and is an above average defender. Then we could trade Whiteside without having to worry about finding a center replacement, like the Dallas trade.
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Sacramento probably had their pick of Olynyk, Leonard, Johnson or Waiters, since all have contracts that are about the same as what Ariza is being paid. I doubt seconds were offered or else Ariza would probably be in Miami instead of Portland.
 
Whiteside is doing renovations on his place in Portland.....seems like he has good information that he's likely not being dealt. Things can always change, but that's what it seems like.
 
B-Roy said:
Whiteside is doing renovations on his place in Portland.....seems like he has good information that he's likely not being dealt. Things can always change, but that's what it seems like.
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Just shared that same sentiment with my buddy ... maybe the plan all along was to get a big rotation of Nurk, Whiteside, and Collins long-term? *IF* Nurk and Hassan accept their roles, it would be a fantastic trio.
 
B-Roy said:
Whiteside is doing renovations on his place in Portland.....seems like he has good information that he's likely not being dealt. Things can always change, but that's what it seems like.
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Because people don’t renovate their homes when they try to sell them?
 
Neil O. Shyster said:
Because people don’t renovate their homes when they try to sell them?
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The fact that he even bought a home here given the context of his status (expiring deal, fill in for a starter, likely to command more in FA than the Blazers will pay), is kind of telling.

Or maybe he just really likes Oregon and wants to live here in the off-season even if he changes teams....lol.
 
If Whiteside stays Olshey better add some future pieces using one of his exceptions. Maybe that was the plan along. Dump money to add money.
 
B-Roy said:
The fact that he even bought a home here given the context of his status (expiring deal, fill in for a starter, likely to command more in FA than the Blazers will pay), is kind of telling.

Or maybe he just really likes Oregon and wants to live here in the off-season even if he changes teams....lol.
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Aren't he and Meyers just borrowing each other's houses? To me renovating a house means nothing.
 
B-Roy said:
Sacramento probably had their pick of Olynyk, Leonard, Johnson or Waiters, since all have contracts that are about the same as what Ariza is being paid. I doubt seconds were offered or else Ariza would probably be in Miami instead of Portland.
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Yes, which is why Ariza for Olynyk might still be on the table for the Blazers if they got a wing elsewhere.
 
Scalma said:
If Whiteside stays Olshey better add some future pieces using one of his exceptions. Maybe that was the plan along. Dump money to add money.
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I like how we keep moving the goal post of what Neil Olshey “better do”... how many chances does that guy get?!
 
hoopsjock said:
Yes, which is why Ariza for Olynyk might still be on the table for the Blazers if they got a wing elsewhere.
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Actually now that I look at it, it was probably just between Waiters or Johnson. Both have contracts that extend beyond the season and are not contributing. Olynyk has a deal that extends beyond this season but he's in the rotation. Meyers same, and Meyers is expiring. Maybe they would rather have Olynyk's deal come off this season but he's not playing bad and they don't have many other bigs so I doubt that.
 
B-Roy said:
Actually now that I look at it, it was probably just between Waiters or Johnson. Both have contracts that extend beyond the season and are not contributing. Olynyk has a deal that extends beyond this season but he's in the rotation. Meyers same, and Meyers is expiring. Maybe they would rather have Olynyk's deal come off this season but he's not playing bad and they don't have many other bigs so I doubt that.
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Olynyk is playing less than 20 minutes a game. I don't think he's part of their current long term plans. He's also got a player option for next year.
 
B-Roy said:
Sacramento probably had their pick of Olynyk, Leonard, Johnson or Waiters, since all have contracts that are about the same as what Ariza is being paid. I doubt seconds were offered or else Ariza would probably be in Miami instead of Portland.
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You really think they were offered Olynyk? I would think the Kings would take him & run with that trade.

I can at least make a case that if the Kings were offered any of the others (Leonard, Johnson, Waiters) that they went with Baze + picks.
 
B-Roy said:
The fact that he even bought a home here given the context of his status (expiring deal, fill in for a starter, likely to command more in FA than the Blazers will pay), is kind of telling.

Or maybe he just really likes Oregon and wants to live here in the off-season even if he changes teams....lol.
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Or maybe some NBA players buy homes in every city that they play in.
It may not be smart - but that's not a prerequisite to play in the NBA.
 
tester551 said:
You really think they were offered Olynyk? I would think the Kings would take him & run with that trade.

I can at least make a case that if the Kings were offered any of the others (Leonard, Johnson, Waiters) that they went with Baze + picks.
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They already have Dedmon unhappy and wanting out and are unsure about keeping Bogdanovic so bringing on someone who might accept his option next year maybe wasn't appealing.

Plus Miami has very little in terms of picks they can trade.
 
hoopsjock said:
Olynyk is playing less than 20 minutes a game. I don't think he's part of their current long term plans. He's also got a player option for next year.
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He even was out of the rotation a week ago.
 
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