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Scalma said:
Here’s what quick said re Whiteside



Do you think Hassan (Whiteside) will end up getting traded to get under the tax?

Would the Blazers like to get under the tax? Yes.
Is Olshey consumed with, or ordered to do so? No.

Will Olshey move Whiteside? If it nets a player who fits into the Blazers’ future, yes. But many of the players who would fit the Blazers’ needs and make the type of money that would make a Whiteside deal work are either hurt (Otto Porter Jr., Blake Griffin), entering the twilight of his career (LaMarcus Aldridge), or have undesirable contracts (Kevin Love, Thaddeus Young).

So in other words, I don’t believe Olshey is robo-calling each team trying to unload Whiteside. But he will certainly entertain offers. I would put Whiteside’s chances of staying in Portland at 50/50 right now.
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well, you really want Whiteside traded for something so might it be that 50/50 is some wishful thinking on your part?

if he's traded, I think it may have to be a 3 team deal so there are enough moving parts to bring back an MLE-level salary for next season plus an expiring. I doubt the Blazers will add a salary over 12-15M next year and even that might be high unless they are planning on waiving Ariza

usually it seems there is almost always a big name on the trading block before each deadline, and the dominoes don't fall until that major trade happens or it's 48-72 hours before the deadline. But I haven't heard any rumors of a desirable big name available. Love isn't desirable...pun intended. Drummond maybe
 
Scalma said:
Here’s what quick said re Whiteside



Do you think Hassan (Whiteside) will end up getting traded to get under the tax?

Would the Blazers like to get under the tax? Yes.
Is Olshey consumed with, or ordered to do so? No.

Will Olshey move Whiteside? If it nets a player who fits into the Blazers’ future, yes. But many of the players who would fit the Blazers’ needs and make the type of money that would make a Whiteside deal work are either hurt (Otto Porter Jr., Blake Griffin), entering the twilight of his career (LaMarcus Aldridge), or have undesirable contracts (Kevin Love, Thaddeus Young).

So in other words, I don’t believe Olshey is robo-calling each team trying to unload Whiteside. But he will certainly entertain offers. I would put Whiteside’s chances of staying in Portland at 50/50 right now.
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Just curious Scalma, did you add the names like hurt (Otto Porter Jr, Blake Griffin) etc or did Quick actually name those players in the parentheses?
 
Scalma said:
he named them.
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I wonder why if we're looking for "long term solutions" for Whiteside why it would matter if a player is hurt right now? I mean, I get the injury risks with trading for someone hurt or with a bad history but theoretically someone like Porter Jr could be fine in a few weeks and next year.
 
hoopsjock said:
I wonder why if we're looking for "long term solutions" for Whiteside why it would matter if a player is hurt right now? I mean, I get the injury risks with trading for someone hurt or with a bad history but theoretically someone like Porter Jr could be fine in a few weeks and next year.
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could it be after Ezeli and Gasol, and what's happened this season, the Blazers are really gun-shy about targeting somebody with a mystery foot injury that's kept him out of 35 games and may keep him out of a lot more? Blazers have enough injured players without trading for another one. And Porter missed 26 games last season too, with a shoulder injury so it's not a one-time deal
 
wizenheimer said:
could it be after Ezeli and Gasol, and what's happened this season, the Blazers are really gun-shy about targeting somebody with a mystery foot injury that's kept him out of 35 games and may keep him out of a lot more? Blazers have enough injured players without trading for another one. And Porter missed 26 games last season too, with a shoulder injury so it's not a one-time deal
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But if they're going to change the trajectory don't they almost have to take a risk at some point and hope it works out? Because of those injuries some of those guys are available for basically nothing or at least for relatively cheap. If those guys were healthy they'd cost a bunch of assets to get. Unlike Love or Griffin, Porter would only be a risk for one more year.
 
hoopsjock said:
But if they're going to change the trajectory don't they almost have to take a risk at some point and hope it works out? Because of those injuries some of those guys are available for basically nothing or at least for relatively cheap. If those guys were healthy they'd cost a bunch of assets to get. Unlike Love or Griffin, Porter would only be a risk for one more year.
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Porter is available for cheap? I haven't heard that. Didn't quick also say the Blazers were holding on pretty tight to their draft pick? I doubt Portland could get Chicago to listen unless they dangled the pick and the protections were such the Bulls had a good chance of collecting

I agree Portland is going to have to take a major risk, sooner rather than later, in order to change their trajectory, but when was the last time Olshey actually took a significant risk? Maybe the last time was the Afflalo trade, and that was trading Will Barton as well as giving up a draft pick that saw Mailk Beasely, Caris Lavert, Pascal Siakam, and Malcolm Brogdon still on the board. That might make him a bit gunshy, and frankly, that was futzing around with the bench rotation, not the core. The risk Portland will have to take, IMO, is with the core.
 
wizenheimer said:
Porter is available for cheap? I haven't heard that. Didn't quick also say the Blazers were holding on pretty tight to their draft pick? I doubt Portland could get Chicago to listen unless they dangled the pick and the protections were such the Bulls had a good chance of collecting

I agree Portland is going to have to take a major risk, sooner rather than later, in order to change their trajectory, but when was the last time Olshey actually took a significant risk? Maybe the last time was the Afflalo trade, and that was trading Will Barton as well as giving up a draft pick that saw Mailk Beasely, Caris Lavert, Pascal Siakam, and Malcolm Brogdon still on the board. That might make him a bit gunshy, and frankly, that was futzing around with the bench rotation, not the core. The risk Portland will have to take, IMO, is with the core.
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Again, why do you keep going back to a 1st round pick for Porter? The Wizards let all the players they got for him walk this off season. He's pretty much been hurt since but now has a TON more value than expirings? Why does Chicago want to pay him $28.5 million next year?

And please don't give me the stats of Portis or Parker, if Washington valued either they would've at least attempted to keep them.
 
hoopsjock said:
Again, why do you keep going back to a 1st round pick for Porter? The Wizards let all the players they got for him walk this off season. He's pretty much been hurt since but now has a TON more value than expirings? Why does Chicago want to pay him $28.5 million next year?

And please don't give me the stats of Portis or Parker, if Washington valued either they would've at least attempted to keep them.
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Well Wizards frontoffice wasn't actually good at its job. They even traded Oubre for Ariza with plans of keeping Ariza during offseason, but the new guy let all of those guys (Ariza, Portis, Parker) walk because they don't have any reason to be on a rebuilding team.

I don't say they ll aks for a first, but they won't give him up for an expiring that they don't intend to keep. They will get a real asset back. Ok we can say it's the Bulls we talk about so they ll fuck it up, but if you were them is there any reason to let Otto walk? Something big in 2020 FA? It's not that there is some great talent there for the taking. They can just keep Otto and if he plays well they trade him next February where he will have more value. Now he is at his lowest point.
 
GDiama said:
Well Wizards frontoffice wasn't actually good at its job. They even traded Oubre for Ariza with plans of keeping Ariza during offseason, but the new guy let all of those guys (Ariza, Portis, Parker) walk because they don't have any reason to be on a rebuilding team.

I don't say they ll aks for a first, but they won't give him up for an expiring that they don't intend to keep. They will get a real asset back. Ok we can say it's the Bulls we talk about so they ll fuck it up, but if you were them is there any reason to let Otto walk? Something big in 2020 FA? It's not that there is some great talent there for the taking. They can just keep Otto and if he plays well they trade him next February where he will have more value. Now he is at his lowest point.
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Chicago is notoriously cheap as a franchise. Why would they want to pay Porter $28.5 million instead of just getting rid of him?

Chicago didn't give up much for him so it's not like they have to recoup some sort of value to justify trading him again.

He's given them nothing on the court, the team is a dumpster fire, and the owner is talking about finally breaking up GarPax.

I don't know, you guys could be right, I just don't get how he could have more value now than last year.
 
hoopsjock said:
Chicago is notoriously cheap as a franchise. Why would they want to pay Porter $28.5 million instead of just getting rid of him?

Chicago didn't give up much for him so it's not like they have to recoup some sort of value to justify trading him again.

He's given them nothing on the court, the team is a dumpster fire, and the owner is talking about finally breaking up GarPax.

I don't know, you guys could be right, I just don't get how he could have more value now than last year.
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But we know Otto is a good player when healthy, he is a sure net positive on the court. Everyone watching the league should know that. This is why you want him too and I want to imagine a professional GM knows that as well. Wizards wanted to reduce salaries last year and they just dumped him and Oubre, both very good starters in this league both terrible trades from their end.
 
GDiama said:
But we know Otto is a good player when healthy, he is a sure net positive on the court. Everyone watching the league should know that. This is why you want him too and I want to imagine a professional GM knows that as well. Wizards wanted to reduce salaries last year and they just dumped him and Oubre, both very good starters in this league both terrible trades from their end.
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Sure, but that doesn't mean that the Bulls want to keep paying him that salary next year to find out though. It's not like they're going to contend next year most likely. I don't know what they're thinking. You might be right, maybe they think he's some star that demands some major compensation. I just find that hard to believe.
 
hoopsjock said:
Sure, but that doesn't mean that the Bulls want to keep paying him that salary next year to find out though. It's not like they're going to contend next year most likely. I don't know what they're thinking. You might be right, maybe they think he's some star that demands some major compensation. I just find that hard to believe.
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What I said is what i think it's reasonable to do. Of course I might be wrong as well and the Bulls front office that doesn't have any other competent SF thinks it's for the best to not give Otto another year. Who knows with those guys.
 
Would you rather do Whiteside to Boston for Heyward or Whiteside to the Spurs for DeRozan? Both work on the trade machine.
 
lamlor said:
That was my thought. We know Biggie's ceiling so why not see Patton's instead? No loss if the switch doesn't work out.
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Well we are over the tax so any player brought in costs more than just signing them.
 
hoopsjock said:
Why would NO do that?
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Cut a lil salary, open up more playing time to young guys. Redick out means Hart, Alexander-Walker get more run, Favors and Whiteside are basically a wash, though Whiteside is a more modern NBA center, Hayes could learn from his timing as they both are shot blockers.

The pelicans aren’t exactly fighting for the playoffs either.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
Cut a lil salary, open up more playing time to young guys. Redick out means Hart, Alexander-Walker get more run, Favors and Whiteside are basically a wash, though Whiteside is a more modern NBA center, Hayes could learn from his timing as they both are shot blockers.

The pelicans aren’t exactly fighting for the playoffs either.
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They could/should get more for those two than a second rounder.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
Cut a lil salary, open up more playing time to young guys. Redick out means Hart, Alexander-Walker get more run, Favors and Whiteside are basically a wash, though Whiteside is a more modern NBA center, Hayes could learn from his timing as they both are shot blockers.

The pelicans aren’t exactly fighting for the playoffs either.
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How does the perimeter defense improve?
Assuming Nurk and Collins and Skal are back next season, I would focus on getting guys who can defend the perimeter and multiple positions, like the ones we dumped in the offseason, or better of course if possible.
 
Scalma said:
They could/should get more for those two than a second rounder.
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Favors is expiring and Redick makes like 14 mil a year and is 35+. Getting a first is crazy imo, that’s like us expecting to get a first for Whiteside.

The most I’d concede is maybe Simons but then the Pelicans would have to sweeten the pot a bit.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
Favors is expiring and Redick makes like 14 mil a year and is 35+. Getting a first is crazy imo, that’s like us expecting to get a first for Whiteside.

The most I’d concede is maybe Simons but then the Pelicans would have to sweeten the pot a bit.
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Except they just signed JJ so I doubt that's their mindset.
 
Ideal template:

TEAM A GETS: Whiteside
TEAM B Gets: $9M contract from Team A
PORTLAND Gets: $12M contract from Team A, $7M contract from Team B (absorbed with Bazemore TPE).
- This would give Portland a $14M-$15M Traded Player Exception, and get Portland out of the tax.

An example of this type of deal (questionable whether either team takes it):
DAL Gets: Hassan Whiteside
NOP Gets: Delon Wright
POR Gets: Courtney Lee, Darius Miller*, $14.3M TPE**
* - Absorbed with Bazemore TPE
** - TPE amount = Whiteside - Lee

I'm curious if anyone else can come up with trades that fit this template.

Portland could even get more creative with this template that'd almost certainly have to include Dallas:
DAL Gets: Whiteside, $9M contract (Team B)
Team B Gets: Delon Wright, Courtney Lee
POR Gets: $7M Contract (Team B), Min Contract (Team B)
- This would get Portland a $27.1M TPE from Whiteside, since the $7M contract would fit in the Bazemore TPE and the min (or small contract) wouldn't need to matched, could be fit in Layman's TPE, or even Hood's DPE.

Example:
DAL Gets: Hassan Whiteside, E'Twaun Moore*
NOP Gets: Delon Wright, Courtney Lee
POR Gets: Darius Miller**, Jahlil Okafor***, $27.1M TPE
* - Dallas absorbs E'Twaun Moore with Barnes TPE,
** - Portland absorbs Darius Miller with Bazemore TPE
*** - Portland absorbs Jahlil Okafor with min. exception or Layman TPE
- $27.1M TPE = Whiteside's contract - $0

The problem with that trade is that Dallas would end up over the tax but they could offload Marjonavic somewhere and be fine (maybe to Portland, reducing the size of the $27.1M TPE to $$23.6M.

If this deal was there for Portland, I'd even toss 2nds around to whatever team wanted them.

A $27.1M TPE would be a phenominal asset. Portland could be in play for a free agent making up to that amount this off-season because they could sign-and-trade for them without having to send salary back (could attach cash and make it worthwhile). They could sign someone for $15M (Bogdanovic?) and keep $12M of their TPE and still have room to use the Full MLE.

If not, the $27.1M TPE would be a huge trade deadline asset.

Basically, it's time for Olshey to get creative and try to accomplish something like this. Obviously much, much, much, (much) harder said than done, but if he accomplished something like this, it would give us tremendous flexibility over the next year all for minimal assets and a player who'd likely leave this summer.
 
Got this notification today from Google and WOW, I can't say I how enlightened I am by this news.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiret...e-Has-50-50-Chance-Of-Being-Traded-By-Blazers

The Portland Trail Blazers are prepared to listen to trade offers for Hassan Whiteside leading to the deadline. Whiteside is on an expiring contract.

"I don’t believe (Neil) Olshey is robo-calling each team trying to unload Whiteside," writes Jason Quick of The Athletic. "But he will certainly entertain offers. I would put Whiteside’s chances of staying in Portland at 50/50 right now."

One reason why Whiteside may remain with the Blazers beyond the deadline is the lack of options available to them. Quick writes that logical fits like Otto Porter Jr. and Blake Griffin are injured, while Kevin Love and Thaddeus Young have undesirable contracts.
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I think Neil should prioritize next season over worrying about who would bridge the days between Whiteside getting traded and Nurkic’ return. I’m not saying throw in the towel, but don’t let that stop you from executing a Whiteside trade, assuming there is one to make.
 
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