Trade Idea Post and Discuss Trade Ideas for the 2019-20 Season

[hoopsjock]

I love this deal!! BTW, has anyone else noticed how much Wiggins has improved... hits 3’s now, getting assists... much more well rounded game than in past years... still only 24 years old.

Um, you might want to check again, just sayin'.

It ruins your whole shtick if you praise a player like Wiggins who is worse than CJ.

 

[Neil O. Shyster]

Um, you might want to check again, just sayin'.

It ruins your whole shtick if you praise a player like Wiggins who is worse than CJ.

Wiggins is only 24, has improved this year, and has great size at 6’7... CJ will be 30 soon and isn’t improved at anything in 5 years

 

[hoopsjock]

Wiggins is only 24, has improved this year, and has great size at 6’7... CJ will be 30 soon and isn’t improved at anything in 5 years

Wiggins is awful on both ends of the court and his numbers have mostly all regressed back to his career averages after a hot shooting start of the season.

 

[illmatic99]

Minny has won only 5 games since the end of November. They've lost 10 straight. Something's gotta give.

Also, how frustrating is it that we got blown out by them?

 

[BonesJones]

Wiggins is only 24, has improved this year, and has great size at 6’7... CJ will be 30 soon and isn’t improved at anything in 5 years

Wiggins sucks.

 

[BonesJones]

Seems to me that the Blazers have a guy on their roster who would fill that "perimeter offensive engine" slot nicely. CJ & Whiteside for Wiggins, Covington & Culver. Draft picks as necessary. Added bonus: Blazers end up under the Luxury Tax threshold.

I call this deal the @Neil O. Shyster Cream Trade.

Wiggins isn't a guy who helps you win games. He puts up big stats on bad teams, and is a much worse fit next to Dame than CJ.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Wiggins isn't a guy who helps you win games. He puts up big stats on bad teams, and is a much worse fit next to Dame than CJ.

With all due respect, The same thing was said about Kevin Garnett and Kevin Love when they played at Minnesota. I don't think that's all that fair to say that about a player that's only played for one team.

 

[BonesJones]

With all due respect, The same thing was said about Kevin Garnett and Kevin Love when they played at Minnesota. I don't think that's all that fair to say that about a player that's only played for one team.

Wiggins isnt Love or Garnett.

Kevin Garnett played elite defense (Wiggins sucks at that) and he also was an elite passer/playmaker for his position (Wiggins isnt close).

Kevin Love was more efficient and an elite rebounder.

Yes, it is fair. Minnesota isn't holding him back. He's had every opportunity to show growth, but has stagnated as an inefficient scorer who sucks at everything else.

 

[illmatic99]

Wiggins isnt Love or Garnett.

Kevin Garnett played elite defense (Wiggins sucks at that) and he also was an elite passer/playmaker for his position (Wiggins isnt close).

Kevin Love was more efficient and an elite rebounder.

Yes, it is fair. Minnesota isn't holding him back. He's had every opportunity to show growth, but has stagnated as an inefficient scorer who sucks at everything else.

Love had that empty stats, loser label on him during his entire Minny tenure. I wouldn't trade CJ for Wiggins because of basketball fit, but wouldn't be totally opposed to taking him on if Minny would throw in some incentives either.

 

[BonesJones]

Love had that empty stats, loser label on him during his entire Minny tenure. I wouldn't trade CJ for Wiggins because of basketball fit, but wouldn't be totally opposed to taking him on if Minny would throw in some incentives either.

Locking us into a roster for years by taking on Wiggins who's a terrible fit and doesnt help you win would be a travesty.

The Blazers need to say no to the flashy names on bad 3+ year contracts that cant shoot well, dont defend, and need the ball in their hands to be effective. (i.e. Aaron Gordon, Andrew Wiggins, etc.)

 

[Neil O. Shyster]

Locking us into a roster for years by taking on Wiggins who's a terrible fit and doesnt help you win would be a travesty.

The Blazers need to say no to the flashy names on bad 3+ year contracts that cant shoot well, dont defend, and need the ball in their hands to be effective. (i.e. Aaron Gordon, Andrew Wiggins, etc.)

I travesty is hanging on to CJ into his 30’s at 30+ mil per year... Wiggins is only 24

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

CJ must go. But I’d trade him with our #1 pick and filler for Beal.

dame and beal would be something

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Locking us into a roster for years by taking on Wiggins who's a terrible fit and doesnt help you win would be a travesty.

The Blazers need to say no to the flashy names on bad 3+ year contracts that cant shoot well, dont defend, and need the ball in their hands to be effective. (i.e. Aaron Gordon, Andrew Wiggins, etc.)

What if CJ for Wiggins were the cost of Minny agreeing to a Whiteside for RoCo/Dieng deal?

 

[illmatic99]

Locking us into a roster for years by taking on Wiggins who's a terrible fit and doesnt help you win would be a travesty.

The Blazers need to say no to the flashy names on bad 3+ year contracts that cant shoot well, dont defend, and need the ball in their hands to be effective. (i.e. Aaron Gordon, Andrew Wiggins, etc.)

If Minny throws in Culver or their pick to take on Wiggins in exchange for salary relief, you wouldn't even consider it?

 

[e_blazer]

Wiggins isn't a guy who helps you win games. He puts up big stats on bad teams, and is a much worse fit next to Dame than CJ.

Wiggins? You think my hypothetical trade was about getting fricking Wiggins? As far as I’m concerned, the Blazers could waive him or make him a ball boy. After reading endless threads and posts on here on the subject of GETTING RID OF CJ, I thought I would post a trade idea to actually accomplish it. I mean, obviously a massive amount of improvement would come from just getting rid of his 21.6 ppg/ 17.7 PER ball- dominant ass. If Wiggins is the cost of doing that business, so be it.

 

[BonesJones]

I travesty is hanging on to CJ into his 30’s at 30+ mil per year... Wiggins is only 24

Hard to find a player not on their rookie deal getting more than 21ppg whos not making that kind of money.

And why does their age matter? Wiggins isnt improving... hes hasnt in years... CJ is not only the better player, but a much better fit.

 

[BonesJones]

If Minny throws in Culver or their pick to take on Wiggins in exchange for salary relief, you wouldn't even consider it?

I might do it for the asset, not for Wiggins.

 

[BonesJones]

What if CJ for Wiggins were the cost of Minny agreeing to a Whiteside for RoCo/Dieng deal?

Still no.

 

[Neil O. Shyster]

Hard to find a player not on their rookie deal getting more than 21ppg whos not making that kind of money.

And why does their age matter? Wiggins isnt improving... hes hasnt in years... CJ is not only the better player, but a much better fit.

CJ is a terrible fit... fit is the only reason I want CJ traded...

 

[BonesJones]

CJ must go. But I’d trade him with our #1 pick and filler for Beal.

dame and beal would be something

Beal cant be traded this year, has been a worse defender than CJ this year, and has been a worse shooter than CJ the last two years.

I see a lot of fans have the "grass is greener" mindset.

 

[BonesJones]

CJ is a terrible fit... fit is the only reason I want CJ traded...

No he's not... Hes a good 3pt shooter that plays well off Dame and he and Dame have a high level of chemistry. Theyre also willing to defer to each other.

You want Wiggins so I dont trust your guage for what the proper fit would be. Sorry.

 

[Scalma]

Kevin O’Connor on my boy Valentine. He also suggests Aaron Gordon gets sent elsewhere and fills a Draymond like role as a small ball center.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/...e-aaron-gordon-marcus-smart-bogdan-bogdanovic

Buy Low on Denzel Valentine
It’s been a tough road for Valentine after being selected with the 14th pick in 2016. He struggled as a rookie after missing all of training camp with ankle injuries that nagged him throughout the season. Those pesky ankles eventually required surgery, which knocked him out for all of his third season. Now he’s back, but Bulls head coach Jim Boylen has been reluctant to put him on the floor over his group of younger guards, including Zach LaVine, Coby White, and Kris Dunn; Valentine has played in 28 games this season, mostly in garbage time.

How is it that a player who can’t even get on the floor for the Bulls is on this list? Because Valentine got dealt a bad hand. Injuries occur. Coaches change. Priorities evolve. The flashes Valentine showed in his second season, his only healthy season, shouldn’t be forgotten. He developed into a spark plug scorer and reliable playmaker, averaging 10.2 points while shooting 38.6 percent from 3 and posting a 2.5 assist-to-turnover ratio. They aren’t gaudy numbers, but he looked like the player Chicago hoped for. He’s doing it again now, making high-IQ plays with the pass, hitting nifty floaters on drives, and draining tough 3s off screens and out of pick-and-rolls.

Change his jersey from red to green, and Valentine would look like he’s right back at Michigan State, where he developed into a team leader and lottery talent over four years. His shooting has translated: Since 2017-18, Valentine has made 39.4 percent of his 170 attempted dribble-jumper 3s. It’s a small sample, but it was Valentine’s blend of shooting and playmaking that made him such an appealing prospect. How could the Bulls not be encouraged? If they don’t want him, another team should.

 

[CupWizier]

Kevin O’Connor on my boy Valentine. He also suggests Aaron Gordon gets sent elsewhere and fills a Draymond like role as a small ball center.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/...e-aaron-gordon-marcus-smart-bogdan-bogdanovic

Buy Low on Denzel Valentine
It’s been a tough road for Valentine after being selected with the 14th pick in 2016. He struggled as a rookie after missing all of training camp with ankle injuries that nagged him throughout the season. Those pesky ankles eventually required surgery, which knocked him out for all of his third season. Now he’s back, but Bulls head coach Jim Boylen has been reluctant to put him on the floor over his group of younger guards, including Zach LaVine, Coby White, and Kris Dunn; Valentine has played in 28 games this season, mostly in garbage time.

How is it that a player who can’t even get on the floor for the Bulls is on this list? Because Valentine got dealt a bad hand. Injuries occur. Coaches change. Priorities evolve. The flashes Valentine showed in his second season, his only healthy season, shouldn’t be forgotten. He developed into a spark plug scorer and reliable playmaker, averaging 10.2 points while shooting 38.6 percent from 3 and posting a 2.5 assist-to-turnover ratio. They aren’t gaudy numbers, but he looked like the player Chicago hoped for. He’s doing it again now, making high-IQ plays with the pass, hitting nifty floaters on drives, and draining tough 3s off screens and out of pick-and-rolls.

Change his jersey from red to green, and Valentine would look like he’s right back at Michigan State, where he developed into a team leader and lottery talent over four years. His shooting has translated: Since 2017-18, Valentine has made 39.4 percent of his 170 attempted dribble-jumper 3s. It’s a small sample, but it was Valentine’s blend of shooting and playmaking that made him such an appealing prospect. How could the Bulls not be encouraged? If they don’t want him, another team should.

Are you suggesting trying to acquire Valentine? He doesn't really fit a real need as we have McCollum, Trent and Simmons at that position.

 

[illmatic99]

It's crazy how similar some of these stats are:
Ariza is 6'8, 215, 7'2 wingspan
Roco is 6'7, 211, 7'2 wingspan

 

[illmatic99]

Kevin O’Connor on my boy Valentine. He also suggests Aaron Gordon gets sent elsewhere and fills a Draymond like role as a small ball center.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/...e-aaron-gordon-marcus-smart-bogdan-bogdanovic

Buy Low on Denzel Valentine
It’s been a tough road for Valentine after being selected with the 14th pick in 2016. He struggled as a rookie after missing all of training camp with ankle injuries that nagged him throughout the season. Those pesky ankles eventually required surgery, which knocked him out for all of his third season. Now he’s back, but Bulls head coach Jim Boylen has been reluctant to put him on the floor over his group of younger guards, including Zach LaVine, Coby White, and Kris Dunn; Valentine has played in 28 games this season, mostly in garbage time.

How is it that a player who can’t even get on the floor for the Bulls is on this list? Because Valentine got dealt a bad hand. Injuries occur. Coaches change. Priorities evolve. The flashes Valentine showed in his second season, his only healthy season, shouldn’t be forgotten. He developed into a spark plug scorer and reliable playmaker, averaging 10.2 points while shooting 38.6 percent from 3 and posting a 2.5 assist-to-turnover ratio. They aren’t gaudy numbers, but he looked like the player Chicago hoped for. He’s doing it again now, making high-IQ plays with the pass, hitting nifty floaters on drives, and draining tough 3s off screens and out of pick-and-rolls.

Change his jersey from red to green, and Valentine would look like he’s right back at Michigan State, where he developed into a team leader and lottery talent over four years. His shooting has translated: Since 2017-18, Valentine has made 39.4 percent of his 170 attempted dribble-jumper 3s. It’s a small sample, but it was Valentine’s blend of shooting and playmaking that made him such an appealing prospect. How could the Bulls not be encouraged? If they don’t want him, another team should.

He's yet another SG at 6'4 and already 26. I wonder if they'd part with Hutchison. He worked out with Dame and his trainer before his draft and he's a clear cut forward with good size. He's also been coming on as of late.

 

[Scalma]

He's yet another SG at 6'4 and already 26.]

sorry, must have forgotten about that guard that runs Portland’s second unit. What’s his name again?

 

[illmatic99]

sorry, must have forgotten about that guard that runs Portland’s second unit. What’s his name again?

Do you have to respond so condescendingly every time? You want to get another guard instead of a forward?

 

[Scalma]

Do you have to respond so condescendingly every time? You want to get another guard instead of a forward?

If I read something I think is stupid, yeah.

Aren’t you the one that’s been campaigning for Bogdanovic? Valentine is a cheaper version and is built almost identical.

Valentine: 6’5.75”, 6’10.75” wingspan

Bogdanovic: 6’6”, 6’11” wingspan

 

[illmatic99]

If I read something I think is stupid, yeah.

Aren’t you the one that’s been campaigning for Bogdanovic? Valentine is a cheaper version and is built almost identical.

Valentine: 6’5.75”, 6’10.75” wingspan

Bogdanovic: 6’6”, 6-11 wingspan

And neither is a priority over getting yet another guard now. We need size on the wings and in the paint.

 

[Scalma]

And neither is a priority over getting yet another guard now. We need size on the wings and in the paint.

oh so Bogdanovic isn’t needed now. How convenient. And how is it more of a priority now after they acquired Ariza?