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I've liked valentine for a while. I think he'd be a good under the radar pickup. Not a flashy name, but could be a solid contributor
 
POR: Love, RoCo, Dieng, CLE ‘22 First Round Pick (Protected)

CLE: CJ, Whiteside

MIN: Simons(or Collins/Little), Dellavedova, Henson, POR ‘20 First Round Pick (Protected)
 
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CupWizier said:
Do we really need more players based on potential? We need some proven talent as we have Little, Simons, Trent, Skal and Gabriel as potential type players.
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PtldPlatypus said:
I hate it when I agree with you...but I completely agree with you. If we're going "the cheap route, a la Hood", we absolutely should be looking for players who've already demonstrated the ability to be effective at the NBA level.
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I'm not saying Portland shouldn't be looking at better trades (they absolutely should) but if you can get one or two of those guys for cheap or basically free what does that hurt? The more young players you have with "pop" potential the higher the ceiling of the team is and the better assets you have for trades. It's the GM's job to recognize players that would be better in their system. In the case of Bolden he's actually shown useful skills last year shooting 35% from 3, being a decent rebounder, and an above average defender. I think he'd be a good fit in Stotts' system. Zhaire still has some star potential. He almost died due to an allergic reaction last year and hasn't really gotten a chance since finally recovering. Will he ever reach that potential? Probably not, but I like taking risks on high upside guys that aren't going to be a huge burden if they don't work out. Worst case scenario you don't pick up his 4th year option this summer and he is an expiring contract next year.

In a season like this if you can't make bigger trades to help in the future I don't see the problem in taking on a few low risk, high reward types.
 
hoopsjock said:
I'm not saying Portland shouldn't be looking at better trades (they absolutely should) but if you can get one or two of those guys for cheap or basically free what does that hurt? The more young players you have with "pop" potential the higher the ceiling of the team is and the better assets you have for trades. It's the GM's job to recognize players that would be better in their system. In the case of Bolden he's actually shown useful skills last year shooting 35% from 3, being a decent rebounder, and an above average defender. I think he'd be a good fit in Stotts' system. Zhaire still has some star potential. He almost died due to an allergic reaction last year and hasn't really gotten a chance since finally recovering. Will he ever reach that potential? Probably not, but I like taking risks on high upside guys that aren't going to be a huge burden if they don't work out. Worst case scenario you don't pick up his 4th year option this summer and he is an expiring contract next year.

In a season like this if you can't make bigger trades to help in the future I don't see the problem in taking on a few low risk, high reward types.
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But how many players with "potential" do we really need? Our nucleus is in the win now category and unless you are willing to throw in the towel on our potential players and start with different ones then adding those two would leave us with 7 players in the potential category and any draft picks we might use. It doesn't make sense to heavily stock up on potential players unless a team is going for a full rebuild. Are there players in the potential category that you are ready to give up on?
 
CupWizier said:
But how many players with "potential" do we really need? Our nucleus is in the win now category and unless you are willing to throw in the towel on our potential players and start with different ones then adding those two would leave us with 7 players in the potential category and any draft picks we might use. It doesn't make sense to heavily stock up on potential players unless a team is going for a full rebuild. Are there players in the potential category that you are ready to give up on?
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Yeah, I get that for next season. That's why in my opinion it's fine to bring another guy or two into that equation and then choose in the summer who to keep. Who knows, you might even have a case with multiple valuable trade assets. Plus we do have Gabriel and Skal (and Swanigan even though I don't include him) as free agents this summer.

Basically if you can't get a "known" difference maker by Thursday at least take a chance on someone that could potentially get there, kind of like the trade for Skal last year.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I hate it when I agree with you...but I completely agree with you. If we're going "the cheap route, a la Hood", we absolutely should be looking for players who've already demonstrated the ability to be effective at the NBA level.
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Ha, seems like some sort of back handed slam. You would likely find yourself more right if you did. :devilwink:
 
hoopsjock said:
Yeah, I get that for next season. That's why in my opinion it's fine to bring another guy or two into that equation and then choose in the summer who to keep. Who knows, you might even have a case with multiple valuable trade assets. Plus we do have Gabriel and Skal (and Swanigan even though I don't include him) as free agents this summer.

Basically if you can't get a "known" difference maker by Thursday at least take a chance on someone that could potentially get there, kind of like the trade for Skal last year.
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But with Whitesides huge contract it would require taking back a large bad contract or likely multiple bad contracts and we don't have roster space and I don't see players that would fit that on the Sixers roster. Not sure why Philly would be so willing to dump two players so quickly that are very low cost players either. The whole idea just doesn't make a lot of sense from both sides.
 
wizenheimer said:
c'mon man...

last 3 seasons:

PER: CJ 17.0 - 17.0 - 17.0.....Beal 18.4 - 20.8 - 22.3
TS%: CJ .536 - .553 - .542.....Beal .564 - .581 - .572
FT Rate CJ .166 - .154 - .122.....Beal .249 - .278 - .355
Assist rate: CJ 15.8 - 13.8 - 17.2.....Beal 21.0 - 24.1 - 29.4
BPM: CJ 0.4 - 0.3 - (-0.3).....Beal 1.7 - 2.8 - 1.6

sometimes, the grass is actually greener and Beal is a better player than CJ

that said, I probably wouldn't do that trade (with the 1st) because unless the Blazers are getting a player close to the caliber of Dame, I'd want some cap-relief to be a part of any CJ trade
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What did I say that was wrong though?
 
Reep said:
I 100% agree with you on offense. I 100% disagree with you on defense.
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CJ isn't a bad on ball defender, it's his off ball defense what causes issues. If you cleaned that up, didnt require Dame do so much offensively so he had more energy on defense, and aurrounded them with good defenders, this team would be perfect.
 
BonesJones said:
CJ isn't a bad on ball defender, it's his off ball defense what causes issues. If you cleaned that up, didnt require Dame do so much offensively so he had more energy on defense, and aurrounded them with good defenders, this team would be perfect.
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A perfect backcourt to me would be have Lillard play with someone like Klay Thompson, more of a catch-and-shoot player who is a high level defender.
I can't see how McCollum is a perfect fit with Lillard or the team. When McCollum isn't scoring, what's he doing at a high level for $27 million?
There are many times on defense that his opponent just shoots over him as if McCollum isn't there.
Both he and Lillard did not look good against a depleted Warriors team. It was not good to see tiny Curry split between them to steal a rebound.
By default I'd want a bigger guy at that position. Even Trevor Ariza, who was the one defending James Harden last night. Someone like that can rotate on defense and even defend the hoop as Ariza has been doing, and we saw Thompson do in the playoffs. Lillard drives to the hoop and waiting for him is Klay Thompson, not to take a charge but to defend with his length.
 
I heard from a reliable source that the Blazers are standing pat... they will keep Whiteside so they don’t fall out of playoff race... it is important to Dame
 
blazerfan11 said:
A perfect backcourt to me would be have Lillard play with someone like Klay Thompson, more of a catch-and-shoot player who is a high level defender.
I can't see how McCollum is a perfect fit with Lillard or the team. When McCollum isn't scoring, what's he doing at a high level for $27 million?
There are many times on defense that his opponent just shoots over him as if McCollum isn't there.
Both he and Lillard did not look good against a depleted Warriors team. It was not good to see tiny Curry split between them to steal a rebound.
By default I'd want a bigger guy at that position. Even Trevor Ariza, who was the one defending James Harden last night. Someone like that can rotate on defense and even defend the hoop as Ariza has been doing, and we saw Thompson do in the playoffs. Lillard drives to the hoop and waiting for him is Klay Thompson, not to take a charge but to defend with his length.
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I never said McCollum isn't a perfect fit. The problem is: There isn't a Klay Thompson available. Instead, we have two dynamic guards that are great locker room guys and are willing to play off each other and defer to each other. Just because they aren't a "perfect fit" doesn't mean they're a bad fit.

When McCollum isn't scoring, it's likely due to increased defensive attention. When he's not scoring, he's still a really good secondary ball-handler, can take attention off of others when he moves off-ball, he spaces the court really well, and has had stretches of good defensively play this year (mixed bag). He's also improved his playmaking for others a bit this year. Despite his isolation tendencies, getting almost 4 assists per game as a score-first SG isn't bad.

And damn, if CJ and Dame struggled against the Warriors, then we would've been in the Finals had they played well, and that was with Enes freakin' Kanter as our C. The thing is in that series, they helped set up their teammates in positions to score at a high level. They combined for 13 assists per game (Dame 8.5, CJ 4.5). Golden State gameplanned to make them more inefficient in terms of their scoring, and I don't think Stotts ever really adjusted to that. If they were more efficient? Then that series goes to 6 or 7, and we might've won it... And that was with defensive sieves in Enes Kanter and Meyers Leonard at center.

Idk what one rebound has to do with anything.

We don't need a rim-protecting SG... Klay was not protecting the rim that series, and if he did, C.J. would've gotten wide-open 3 after wide-open 3, since Klay would be 20-feet off of C.J. in order to protect the rim. Maybe Klay did on a play here or there but it wasn't really a factor...
 
Neil O. Shyster said:
I heard from a reliable source that the Blazers are standing pat... they will keep Whiteside so they don’t fall out of playoff race... it is important to Dame
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Only 3 games out of the 8th spot with 34 games to go (as of today).

We haven't played Memphis (currently in 8th) yet and 2 of the 3 games are in Portland.
 
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wizenheimer said:
if that's true, Bones and Hoops are going to be really unhappy
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I'll be pissed. Olshey needs to have the proper foresight in mind. We're still the favorites for the 8th seed even if we trade Whiteside. We're not going to get the 7th seed or make it out of the first round if we keep him. Therefore, the results of this season aren't dependent on keeping Whiteside. We will have 3 natural centers in March, if healthy (Nurkic, Collins, Skal).

But the results of next season? They're entirely dependent on if/what we get back for Whiteside. Because if we keep Whiteside at the deadline there's three different scenario's that could play out:
A.) Whiteside leaves.
B.) Whiteside stays on a one-year contract and has a no-trade clause and waives his bird rights if he's traded.
C.) Whiteside stays on a multi-year deal at a higher price then what he's worth, because that's what it'll take for him to resign as a backup C.

In all 3 scenarios, the result is Whiteside not being a trade-asset, because even if he resigns, he'll either have a no-trade clause or he'll be on a contract that teams don't want in return for a player.

So outside of Nurkic, Dame, and CJ, that'd leave us with:
Ariza - $12.8M
MLE? - $9.8M
Hood - $6M
Collins - $4M

What's also important to remember is we wouldn't have that MLE or Hood to trade before free agency, so if someone is available before that that'd be an upgrade? No chance at them.

Thing is, I don't think the MLE would be much of a trade asset because a ton of teams in better positions (in the mind of free agents) will have that $9.8M MLE. So we'll have to settle for slightly overpaying someone for multiple years. Their contract would be the same as Whitesides, in that it'd be one that teams don't want in return for something.

So in order to match a player making $22M+, we'd have to trade Ariza, Hood, AND filler.
In order to match a player making $28M+, we'd have to trade Ariza, Hood, and an additional $4M or so...

If we're trading Ariza AND Hood, that upgrade isn't anywhere near as much of an upgrade is it would be if we had an additional expiring contract on the books to trade, as we'd be trading both our SFs.match

The narrative at that point? "Neil doesn't have the assets needed to acquire the upgrade that was available at the deadline, so it's not his fault"... Except it would be, since keeping Whiteside would show an utter lack of foresight that would be inexcusable from him. It's either do something now so we can do something else in the next year, or don't do anything this year so we can't do anything in the next year.

Side note - Expiring contracts will also have more value next season since the 2021 free agent class is LOADED.

Therefore, if we keep Whiteside, I'll be pissed, and back to hating Neil Olshey (who I've defended the past 9 months or so).
 
Last night the best defense guard was Trent. CJ couldn't contain him Dame always had problems with him. But Trent slow him down last night. Last night CJ was in his own zone on offense with blinders on offense and total worthless on D trying to guard Westbrook. When we got the big run was with CJ on the bench last night. Everyone was in the offense and they lock Houston down defense. Am I dogging on CJ the answer yes for last night game. I don't care for players that one demisional especially ones that got just signing over 30 million extension. Now has CJ play some good games on both sides of the the is answer yes. But last night wasn't type of player that trying to make other players better around him.
 
Neil O. Shyster said:
I heard from a reliable source that the Blazers are standing pat... they will keep Whiteside so they don’t fall out of playoff race... it is important to Dame
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Define "reliable source". I have read articles that say the Blazers won't make any moves and I have read articles that say they will. That's called speculation, not reliable source.
 
I just think it’s a bad business decision to stand pat as @BonesJones said, you have to strike while the iron is hot on an expiring contract that is unlikely to be retained and is playing at an All-Star lever statistically.
 
CupWizier said:
Define "reliable source". I have read articles that say the Blazers won't make any moves and I have read articles that say they will. That's called speculation, not reliable source.
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There is no way I can prove myself to you... but it’s from a good friend who does business with someone in the organization... and I believe the source. I’m not happy about it though because I believe Whiteside is the last big trade chip the Blazers have if they are dead set on keeping Dame and CJ together
 
Everyone wants to trade Whiteside but remember you have find a mutual partner. What I read there real slim pickings who would want him. Olshey not just going to trade him for some crap. Remember Olshey has let a few players just run out there contracts. Olshey might just might want to see what kind team he has when majority of players are healthy. You also remember he traded for guy and yes some of the reason is Nurk being injuries but maybe he want to see if Nurk and Whiteside can back each other up.
 
Olsheys history suggests he’s comfortable with letting pending free agents leave for nothing, so I don’t think the odds are great we see a Whiteside trade, especially if ducking the tax isn’t a priority.
 
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BonesJones said:
I never said McCollum isn't a perfect fit. The problem is: There isn't a Klay Thompson available. Instead, we have two dynamic guards that are great locker room guys and are willing to play off each other and defer to each other. Just because they aren't a "perfect fit" doesn't mean they're a bad fit.

When McCollum isn't scoring, it's likely due to increased defensive attention. When he's not scoring, he's still a really good secondary ball-handler, can take attention off of others when he moves off-ball, he spaces the court really well, and has had stretches of good defensively play this year (mixed bag). He's also improved his playmaking for others a bit this year. Despite his isolation tendencies, getting almost 4 assists per game as a score-first SG isn't bad.

And damn, if CJ and Dame struggled against the Warriors, then we would've been in the Finals had they played well, and that was with Enes freakin' Kanter as our C. The thing is in that series, they helped set up their teammates in positions to score at a high level. They combined for 13 assists per game (Dame 8.5, CJ 4.5). Golden State gameplanned to make them more inefficient in terms of their scoring, and I don't think Stotts ever really adjusted to that. If they were more efficient? Then that series goes to 6 or 7, and we might've won it... And that was with defensive sieves in Enes Kanter and Meyers Leonard at center.

Idk what one rebound has to do with anything.

We don't need a rim-protecting SG... Klay was not protecting the rim that series, and if he did, C.J. would've gotten wide-open 3 after wide-open 3, since Klay would be 20-feet off of C.J. in order to protect the rim. Maybe Klay did on a play here or there but it wasn't really a factor...
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I want a better defender at shooting guard than CJ McCollum. I will give up the spectacular dribbling for another level up in defense.
 
James lamphear said:
Everyone wants to trade Whiteside but remember you have find a mutual partner. What I read there real slim pickings who would want him. Olshey not just going to trade him for some crap. Remember Olshey has let a few players just run out there contracts. Olshey might just might want to see what kind team he has when majority of players are healthy. You also remember he traded for guy and yes some of the reason is Nurk being injuries but maybe he want to see if Nurk and Whiteside can back each other up.
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What condition is Nurk in anyways? Isn't is possible he'll have a minutes limit or even game limit on back to backs?
 
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