Trade Idea Post and Discuss Trade Ideas for the 2019-20 Season (4 Viewers)

[hoopsjock]

Putting words in a persons post again that aren't there. This seems to be a bad habit of yours as you jump from one extreme to another. What I mean to tell you is that what you posted is nothing more than wild speculation that has no basis. Nothing more and nothing less.

Thanks for telling me what my opinion on an internet forum means, very insightful!

 

[hoopsjock]

What if by trading for Batum we got the rights to swap 1st round picks this year with Charlotte? That way the Blazers could make a playoff push and potentially still get a decent lottery pick. Would that change anyone's mind?

 

[illmatic99]

What if by trading for Batum we got the rights to swap 1st round picks this year with Charlotte? That way the Blazers could make a playoff push and potentially still get a decent lottery pick. Would that change anyone's mind?

I haven't read that much about this draft, but that contract is a large price to pay just to go from like 12 to 6.

I'd much rather split that contract up to get 2 or even 3 guys as I mentioned earlier. Getting Batum limits you into the pool of potential targets next deadline.

 

[hoopsjock]

I haven't read that much about this draft, but that contract is a large price to pay just to go from like 12 to 6.

I'd much rather split that contract up to get 2 or even 3 guys as I mentioned earlier. Getting Batum limits you into the pool of potential targets next deadline.

Okay, I like that too but Bazemore's contract fit a lot better for those type of trades. Who do you have in mind?

 

[CupWizier]

Thanks for telling me what my opinion on an internet forum means, very insightful!

You are welcome! Never to late to learn something.

 

[illmatic99]

Okay, I like that too but Bazemore's contract fit a lot better for those type of trades. Who do you have in mind?

1. Dieng and Roco are the obvious ones.
2. Dallas has some dudes that can add up to 30 that could be of interest (Hardaway+ Wright and/or Lee). Lotta long term $, though.
3. How about Nance/Henson/Delly -- adds up to 33 mil, and we have Nance's decent 13 mil deal next year to dangle (albeit long term).
4. Thad Young/ Satoransky/ Felicio
5. Lotsa machinations with the Knicks
6. Rudy Gay/ Belinelli/ Carroll
7. If we want CHA, how about Zeller + MKG/Marvin?

 

[Scalma]

So much of the NBA is opportunity, there are players buried on benches all over the league that can play and are just waiting for their chance. Feels like the timing is right for Portland to give someone theirs. Shit they may already be on the roster (Gabriel for example.) Not saying we should go after a pending UFA like Wood, but he’s a great example as there were people on here campaigning for him when he was down in the g league.

 

[Cugel]

I am in the no Whiteside trade camp.
Let me be heretical and hypothetical for a moment. Why not deal Nurk? Yeah I get he is injured and that's my point. Nurk has a history of injuries. Bad ones. Three surgeries in 4 years.

 

[Hoopguru]

I am in the no Whiteside trade camp.
Let me be heretical and hypothetical for a moment. Why not deal Nurk? Yeah I get he is injured and that's my point. Nurk has a history of injuries. Bad ones. Three surgeries in 4 years.

imo, anyone besides Dame is a tradable asset at this point.

 

[hoopsjock]

So much of the NBA is opportunity, there are players buried on benches all over the league that can play and are just waiting for their chance. Feels like the timing is right for Portland to give someone theirs. Shit they may already be on the roster (Gabriel for example.) Not saying we should go after a pending UFA like Wood, but he’s a great example as there were people on here campaigning for him when he was down in the g league.

I was told yesterday that looking for potential diamonds in the rough was a bad idea.

 

[hoopsjock]

1. Dieng and Roco are the obvious ones.
2. Dallas has some dudes that can add up to 30 that could be of interest (Hardaway+ Wright and/or Lee). Lotta long term $, though.
3. How about Nance/Henson/Delly -- adds up to 33 mil, and we have Nance's decent 13 mil deal next year to dangle (albeit long term).
4. Thad Young/ Satoransky/ Felicio
5. Lotsa machinations with the Knicks
6. Rudy Gay/ Belinelli/ Carroll
7. If we want CHA, how about Zeller + MKG/Marvin?

Just curious why you are trying to get up to $30 million? If we made one of these types of trades wouldn't it be better if we took back less than the $27.1 million of Whiteside's contract so we save more money this year and possibly duck the tax altogether? One of the reasons I like the Batum trade is because Charlotte would have to give us assets unlike most of these where it would be straight across or we'd be the one giving up picks or whatever.

1. I'd love this trade, I've been pushing it since the off season.

2. I would deal with Dallas if they were willing but since they basically got Cauley-Stein for free I'm not sure it makes sense for them to deal for Whiteside at the expense of wing depth.

3. Nance would be okay, where are we getting the two extra roster spots though? This adds to the tax this year as well.

4. I hate Thad's contract, Satoransky would be okay, and Felicio is a good mid range contract to bring back. Not the worst idea but once again how are we getting the extra roster spots? I really don't want Thad Young.

5. A lot of the Knicks players have options or non-guaranteed salary next year so we'd have to pick up their option just to trade them. That's probably fine. I would love a Whiteside for Portis trade in which Taj Gibson went to Dallas with their TPE. It would generate a $12 million TPE for us too. We could look at sending Portis to Minnesota for Dieng too, so basically it would be Whiteside for Dieng, a big TPE, and getting WAY below the tax line.

6. Again, not a bad idea but how do we get the two roster spots? Carroll has a partial guarantee in his contract for 2 years from now too. Not sure why the Spurs do this either.

7. I would love to get Marvin because then we'd have his bird rights and could potentially sign him for a reasonable amount without dipping into the MLE money. I'd take that deal if it was on the table (Whiteside/Hezonja for Zeller/Marvin). I'll post a variation of this trade too in a minute.

And before anyone mentions including Swanigan in these trades for the extra roster spot his salary can't be combined with Whiteside to make trades work. I guess we could just buy him out but that goes back to whether or not the goal of a Whiteside trade is to save money or not.

 

[Reep]

CJ isn't a bad on ball defender, it's his off ball defense what causes issues. If you cleaned that up, didnt require Dame do so much offensively so he had more energy on defense, and aurrounded them with good defenders, this team would be perfect.

I'm tired of seeing teams with tall 2 guards take their lunch money repeatedly. We have no answer for a team that doesn't also have two short guards. With Nurkic, Collins, Ariza/Little behind them, it covers up some of these weaknesses, but I personally am done with a defense that uses two short defense minus guards in the starting lineup.

 

[CupWizier]

I was told yesterday that looking for potential diamonds in the rough was a bad idea.

not exactly, but then again ...............................

 

[tester551]

What if by trading for Batum we got the rights to swap 1st round picks this year with Charlotte? That way the Blazers could make a playoff push and potentially still get a decent lottery pick. Would that change anyone's mind?

I dont see how Batum helps the playoff push... especially when it requires Portland to trade the ONLY healthy player over 6'-9" on the team.

If there's any setbacks to Nurk, Collins, Skal - we're screwed

 

[tester551]

So much of the NBA is opportunity, there are players buried on benches all over the league that can play and are just waiting for their chance. Feels like the timing is right for Portland to give someone theirs. Shit they may already be on the roster (Gabriel for example.) Not saying we should go after a pending UFA like Wood, but he’s a great example as there were people on here campaigning for him when he was down in the g league.

Yep. Wood is one that I was hoping the Blazers would take a serious look at.
His advanced metrics in the gleague were very good....

I'd really like Portland to be a bit more proactive with the end of the roster & turn it over during the season more (sign guys to 10 day contracts) to uncover hidden gems.

 

[Scalma]

Yep. Wood is one that I was hoping the Blazers would take a serious look at.
His advanced metrics in the gleague were very good....

I'd really like Portland to be a bit more proactive with the end of the roster & turn it over during the season more (sign guys to 10 day contracts) to uncover hidden gems.

I still can’t believe Swanigan is getting minutes. Such a wasted opportunity. Just cut his ass and play literally anyone else.

 

[CupWizier]

And before anyone mentions including Swanigan in these trades for the extra roster spot his salary can't be combined with Whiteside to make trades work. I guess we could just buy him out but that goes back to whether or not the goal of a Whiteside trade is to save money or not.

I know you know this already, but your post makes it sound like Swanigan can't be part of a package deal. he can be part of a trade as long as a Swanigan deal would work on its own but is contingent upon the other part of the deal that includes other player or players.

 

[illmatic99]

Just curious why you are trying to get up to $30 million? If we made one of these types of trades wouldn't it be better if we took back less than the $27.1 million of Whiteside's contract so we save more money this year and possibly duck the tax altogether? One of the reasons I like the Batum trade is because Charlotte would have to give us assets unlike most of these where it would be straight across or we'd be the one giving up picks or whatever.

1. I'd love this trade, I've been pushing it since the off season.

2. I would deal with Dallas if they were willing but since they basically got Cauley-Stein for free I'm not sure it makes sense for them to deal for Whiteside at the expense of wing depth.

3. Nance would be okay, where are we getting the two extra roster spots though? This adds to the tax this year as well.

4. I hate Thad's contract, Satoransky would be okay, and Felicio is a good mid range contract to bring back. Not the worst idea but once again how are we getting the extra roster spots? I really don't want Thad Young.

5. A lot of the Knicks players have options or non-guaranteed salary next year so we'd have to pick up their option just to trade them. That's probably fine. I would love a Whiteside for Portis trade in which Taj Gibson went to Dallas with their TPE. It would generate a $12 million TPE for us too. We could look at sending Portis to Minnesota for Dieng too, so basically it would be Whiteside for Dieng, a big TPE, and getting WAY below the tax line.

6. Again, not a bad idea but how do we get the two roster spots? Carroll has a partial guarantee in his contract for 2 years from now too. Not sure why the Spurs do this either.

7. I would love to get Marvin because then we'd have his bird rights and could potentially sign him for a reasonable amount without dipping into the MLE money. I'd take that deal if it was on the table (Whiteside/Hezonja for Zeller/Marvin). I'll post a variation of this trade too in a minute.

And before anyone mentions including Swanigan in these trades for the extra roster spot his salary can't be combined with Whiteside to make trades work. I guess we could just buy him out but that goes back to whether or not the goal of a Whiteside trade is to save money or not.

30 was just my start, we can obviously try to cut $, and avoid the roster spot issue. Mario can be traded also, no? I was just throwing out frameworks of deals that could set us up better for next year. I'm just not sure we can get the kind of assets required to take on Nico's bloated deal.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I know you know this already, but your post makes it sound like Swanigan can't be part of a package deal. he can be part of a trade as long as a Swanigan deal would work on its own but is contingent upon the other part of the deal that includes other player or players.

Not necessarily. I'm pretty sure the other side of the deal wouldn't even need to include other players. Portland can't aggregate Swanigan with Whiteside to match a larger salary, but the team receiving Swanigan and Whiteside can aggregate their salaries as in incoming pair.

For example: say we agreed to trade Whiteside for Roco/Dieng, and both sides also wanted Swanigan included. Minny wouldn't have to add any more players, because on their end, Roco/Dieng for Whiteside/Swanigan works; however, on our end, we'd just see it as Whiteside for Roco/Dieng, and Swanigan for a TPE.

 

[CupWizier]

Not necessarily. I'm pretty sure the other side of the deal wouldn't even need to include other players. Portland can't aggregate Swanigan with Whiteside to match a larger salary, but the team receiving Swanigan and Whiteside can aggregate their salaries as in incoming pair.

For example: say we agreed to trade Whiteside for Roco/Dieng, and both sides also wanted Swanigan included. Minny wouldn't have to add any more players, because on their end, Roco/Dieng for Whiteside/Swanigan works; however, on our end, we'd just see it as Whiteside for Roco/Dieng, and Swanigan for a TPE.

Yes, I had edited my post, but I originally had it that the other team could also use an exception if they have one.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Yes, I had edited my post, but I originally had it that the other team could also use an exception if they have one.

They don't even need to have an exception (such as the example I gave).

 

[CupWizier]

They don't even need to have an exception (such as the example I gave).

So you are saying we can trade Swanigan to Minnesota and don't have to take back a player or an exception that matches Swanigan's salary by CBA standards?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

So you are saying we can trade Swanigan to Minnesota and don't have to take back a player or an exception that matches Swanigan's salary by CBA standards?

You don't "take back an exception". Exceptions are simply created when an unbalanced trade is made.

In the example I gave, an exception would be created on our end by including Swanigan in the deal, but Minnesota would not need to have a previously-existing exception to accommodate his inclusion in the deal, because Whiteside/Swanigan combined would fit within 125% of their outgoing aggregation.

 

[CupWizier]

You don't "take back an exception". Exceptions are simply created when an unbalanced trade is made.

In the example I gave, an exception would be created on our end by including Swanigan in the deal, but Minnesota would not need to have a previously-existing exception to accommodate his inclusion in the deal, because Whiteside/Swanigan combined would fit within 125% of their outgoing aggregation.

But Swanigan can't be traded along with another player, he can only be traded on his own now and until the deadline.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

But Swanigan can't be traded along with another player, he can only be traded on his own now and until the deadline.

You have to compartmentalize each team's side of the "with another player" thing. The rule specifically states that his salary can't be aggregated with another player's salary for the purpose of matching an incoming salary amount. If the deal as constructed is such that we don't need his salary included in order to accommodate the incoming salaries, then we're all good. How it looks on Minnesota's end is completely irrelevant to the non-aggregation rule.

 

[hoopsjock]

I dont see how Batum helps the playoff push... especially when it requires Portland to trade the ONLY healthy player over 6'-9" on the team.

If there's any setbacks to Nurk, Collins, Skal - we're screwed

I've said numerous times previously that there would have to be a follow up trade. Heck Dallas got Cauley-Stein for a pick that will be in the mid to late 50's. You could ask Charlotte to throw in Hernangomez in the deal so we have a center. The money saved could go towards signing Faried for the rest of the season (or anyone else available). There might be some buyout players available. This is why I keep saying it takes some creativity.

 

[CupWizier]

You have to compartmentalize each team's side of the "with another player" thing. The rule specifically states that his salary can't be aggregated with another player's salary for the purpose of matching an incoming salary amount. If the deal as constructed is such that we don't need his salary included in order to accommodate the incoming salaries, then we're all good. How it looks on Minnesota's end is completely irrelevant to the non-aggregation rule.

I will admit that I don't pay much attention to the CBA these days but that's different from how I always understood it. I found this little snip it as well.

If teams acquire a player in a trade, they are allowed to trade that player straight-up for another individual player immediately. However, if teams wish to package that player with another and make a trade, they must wait 60 days before doing so.

 

[Sarni]

If we want to compete we also need some extra scoring and shooting off the bench. Burks would be all right, for a second rounder (do we even have any left?).

 

[RR7]

Random idea

Atlanta In:Whiteside
Atlanta Out: Len, Turner

They've been targeting other Cs in rumors. Apparently to shift Collins to PF. They get a half season tryout of Whiteside and bird rights.

Minnesota In: Turner, Len
Minnesota Out: Dieng, Vonleh

They shave a year off of Dieng's deal by taking on a little more salary this season.

Portland In: Dieng, Vonleh
Portland Out: Whiteside.

Get a temporary C replacement in Dieng until Nurk and Skal are back. Also, have insurance for next season, as well as a big expiring next year to deal.
Also gets us out of the tax.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I am in the no Whiteside trade camp.
Let me be heretical and hypothetical for a moment. Why not deal Nurk? Yeah I get he is injured and that's my point. Nurk has a history of injuries. Bad ones. Three surgeries in 4 years.

No one should be considered untradable, but Nurk's value has got to be pretty low right now.