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Scalma said:
oh so Bogdanovic isn’t needed now. How convenient. And how is it more of a priority now after they acquired Ariza?
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One guy is averaging 15-3-3.
The other is averaging 6-2-1.

You are saying they're "almost identical"

Speaking of something stupid.
 
BonesJones said:
No he's not... Hes a good 3pt shooter that plays well off Dame and he and Dame have a high level of chemistry. Theyre also willing to defer to each other.
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I 100% agree with you on offense. I 100% disagree with you on defense.
 
Scalma said:
oh so Bogdanovic isn’t needed now. How convenient. And how is it more of a priority now after they acquired Ariza?
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Ariza is a short term solution not a long term solution. Covington would be my choice as he has good size, good defense and can hit the 3. In other words, a younger version of Ariza. Otto Porter jr is another player with a bad contract that we are trying to avoid and only produces about the same as Covington but seems to have injury problems.
 
illmatic99 said:
Total strawman to even bring them up. They're not comparable at all. Valentine is a fringe NBA player.
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They’re built the same so if Bogdanovic could physically play small forward in your eyes, so could Valentine. I’m using your own logic. But between your long standing hatred of Valentine and Whiteside, you really love to double down when your flawed stances get challenged huh?
 
Scalma said:
They’re built the same so if Bogdanovic could physically play small forward in your eyes, so could Valentine. I’m using your own logic. But between your long standing hatred of Valentine and Whiteside, you really love to double down when your flawed stances get challenged huh?
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It's not hatred, holy hell. Stop taking so much offense.

I simply said Hutchison would be a better prospect and target for us if we want a Bull this deadline. Bogdanovic is an NBA player who our best player has a clear connection with and we should see if we can pursue this summer. As he does with Hutchison btw. Dame's trainer and college asst coach was CH's head coach in college. Valentine is a primarily a guard who is barely hanging on as a prospect at age 26 still on his rookie contract. Will he even be in the NBA after his rookie deal expires?
 
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One guy is probably going to cost a first rounder while the other could probably be had for a second. One guy is going to cost $10M+ this summer while the other could probably be had for at least half.

Am I saying Valentine is better? Not really. But when you weigh up the cost, Valentine is worth a look.
 
illmatic99 said:
It's not hatred, holy hell. Stop taking so much offense.

I simply said Hutchison would be a better prospect and target for us if we want a Bull this deadline. Bogdanovic is an NBA player who our best player has a clear connection with and we should see if we can pursue this summer. As he does with Hutchison btw. Dame's trainer and college asst coach was CH's head coach in college. Valentine is a primarily a guard who is barely hanging on as a prospect at age 26 still on his rookie contract. Will he even be in the NBA after his rookie deal expires?
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Valentine is in a shitty situation surrounded by guards that Chicago has more invested in. Not that crazy of a concept. Just look at the Blazers. If everyone were healthy, Trent wouldn’t even be playing right now. Valentine will definitely be in the league next year and I’m confident he’ll be a rotation player once he gets put in a better situation.
 
Scalma said:
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One guy is probably going to cost a first rounder while the other could probably be had for a second. One guy is going to cost $10M+ this summer while the other could probably be had for at least half.

Am I saying Valentine is better? Not really. But when you weigh up the cost, Valentine is worth a look.
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Wouldn't Nassir Little be a better prospect than Valentine as a back up small forward as well as Gary Trent jr? It seems we have plenty of prospects similar to Valentine already.
 
CupWizier said:
Wouldn't Nassir Little be a better prospect than Valentine as a back up small forward as well as Gary Trent jr? It seems we have plenty of prospects similar to Valentine already.
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Neither are ball handlers that can run an offense/pick and roll. Valentine would in theory replace Simons.
 
Scalma said:
Kevin O’Connor on my boy Valentine. He also suggests Aaron Gordon gets sent elsewhere and fills a Draymond like role as a small ball center.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/...e-aaron-gordon-marcus-smart-bogdan-bogdanovic

Buy Low on Denzel Valentine
It’s been a tough road for Valentine after being selected with the 14th pick in 2016. He struggled as a rookie after missing all of training camp with ankle injuries that nagged him throughout the season. Those pesky ankles eventually required surgery, which knocked him out for all of his third season. Now he’s back, but Bulls head coach Jim Boylen has been reluctant to put him on the floor over his group of younger guards, including Zach LaVine, Coby White, and Kris Dunn; Valentine has played in 28 games this season, mostly in garbage time.

How is it that a player who can’t even get on the floor for the Bulls is on this list? Because Valentine got dealt a bad hand. Injuries occur. Coaches change. Priorities evolve. The flashes Valentine showed in his second season, his only healthy season, shouldn’t be forgotten. He developed into a spark plug scorer and reliable playmaker, averaging 10.2 points while shooting 38.6 percent from 3 and posting a 2.5 assist-to-turnover ratio. They aren’t gaudy numbers, but he looked like the player Chicago hoped for. He’s doing it again now, making high-IQ plays with the pass, hitting nifty floaters on drives, and draining tough 3s off screens and out of pick-and-rolls.

Change his jersey from red to green, and Valentine would look like he’s right back at Michigan State, where he developed into a team leader and lottery talent over four years. His shooting has translated: Since 2017-18, Valentine has made 39.4 percent of his 170 attempted dribble-jumper 3s. It’s a small sample, but it was Valentine’s blend of shooting and playmaking that made him such an appealing prospect. How could the Bulls not be encouraged? If they don’t want him, another team should.
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I really like Kevin O'Connor & his thoughts. Reading through his article, does it make sense to target AG?

It sounds like Magic fans are ready to dump him... How about something like this if the price were cheap:

Gordan + Birch -> Whiteside + Cash (to cover Magic tax) + cut Caleb or Mario
Rights to Chuma -> 2020 1st
 
BonesJones said:
Beal cant be traded this year, has been a worse defender than CJ this year, and has been a worse shooter than CJ the last two years.
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c'mon man...

last 3 seasons:

PER: CJ 17.0 - 17.0 - 17.0.....Beal 18.4 - 20.8 - 22.3
TS%: CJ .536 - .553 - .542.....Beal .564 - .581 - .572
FT Rate CJ .166 - .154 - .122.....Beal .249 - .278 - .355
Assist rate: CJ 15.8 - 13.8 - 17.2.....Beal 21.0 - 24.1 - 29.4
BPM: CJ 0.4 - 0.3 - (-0.3).....Beal 1.7 - 2.8 - 1.6

sometimes, the grass is actually greener and Beal is a better player than CJ

that said, I probably wouldn't do that trade (with the 1st) because unless the Blazers are getting a player close to the caliber of Dame, I'd want some cap-relief to be a part of any CJ trade
 
tester551 said:
I really like Kevin O'Connor & his thoughts. Reading through his article, does it make sense to target AG?

It sounds like Magic fans are ready to dump him... How about something like this if the price were cheap:

Gordan + Birch -> Whiteside + Cash (to cover Magic tax) + cut Caleb or Mario
Rights to Chuma -> 2020 1st
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It’ll be interesting to see how Orlando values Gordon. It seems almost a given he’ll be traded at some point. He wasn’t drafted by the current regime, but I’d think they’d still want more for him than an expiring. Who knows though, I thought the Wizards would get a first for Oubre and Gordon is overpaid.
 
Scalma said:
Neither are ball handlers that can run an offense/pick and roll. Valentine would in theory replace Simons.
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So you are ready to bale on Simons already? Sure he has struggled and i would trade him for a long term solution for a starting small forward. I would also prefer a low cost alternattive as a back up pg. Valentine doesn't really fit that need.and we have more pressing needs than a player like Valentine.
 
wizenheimer said:
c'mon man...

last 3 seasons:

PER: CJ 17.0 - 17.0 - 17.0.....Beal 18.4 - 20.8 - 22.3
TS%: CJ .536 - .553 - .542.....Beal .564 - .581 - .572
FT Rate CJ .166 - .154 - .122.....Beal .249 - .278 - .355
Assist rate: CJ 15.8 - 13.8 - 17.2.....Beal 21.0 - 24.1 - 29.4
BPM: CJ 0.4 - 0.3 - (-0.3).....Beal 1.7 - 2.8 - 1.6

sometimes, the grass is actually greener and Beal is a better player than CJ

that said, I probably wouldn't do that trade (with the 1st) because unless the Blazers are getting a player close to the caliber of Dame, I'd want some cap-relief to be a part of any CJ trade
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Beals numbers would likely drop to McCollums numbers or worse playing with Lillard as Beal is the player Wizards play through compared to McCollum who is secondary with the Blazers. Two different roles. I imagine Beals numbers would drop if Wall was playing.
 
If we're going to go the cheap route (a la Hood last year):

I wouldn't mind taking a flier on Denzel Valentine.

I've been saying this all year but Jonah Bolden is a guy I'd take a chance on. He has only played 14 minutes this entire season. I bet we could get him for free using the Swanigan TPE and the rights to a foreign player that will never play in the NBA or cash. He has a non guaranteed contract the next two seasons too so if we needed the roster spot he'd be easy to waive.

On that same Philly team Zhaire Smith has only played 13 minutes this season. Obviously he and Bolden are risks based on possibly not getting minutes because they suck but these are the type of cheap acquisitions that may just need a change of scenery or out of Brett Brown's doghouse. He still has two years left after this one on his rookie deal.
 
CupWizier said:
Beals numbers would likely drop to McCollums numbers or worse playing with Lillard as Beal is the player Wizards play through compared to McCollum who is secondary with the Blazers. Two different roles. I imagine Beals numbers would drop if Wall was playing.
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the only number that might drop is his assist rate

but without Wall, Beal is the prime focus of opposing defenses, so then, that he has better efficiency and production than CJ while facing more resistance is significant.

Beal is simply a better player than CJ; a little more dynamic. The gap between them isn't huge but it's there
 
Scalma said:
He’s closer to 6’6 than 6’4, unless he’s playing without shoes.
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Unless he is wearing lifts he is likely closer to 6'5" and only has a 32.5" vertical jump. Little has a 38.5" vertical and is an explosive jumper off 2 feeet.
 
hoopsjock said:
If we're going to go the cheap route (a la Hood last year):

I wouldn't mind taking a flier on Denzel Valentine.

I've been saying this all year but Jonah Bolden is a guy I'd take a chance on. He has only played 14 minutes this entire season. I bet we could get him for free using the Swanigan TPE and the rights to a foreign player that will never play in the NBA or cash. He has a non guaranteed contract the next two seasons too so if we needed the roster spot he'd be easy to waive.

On that same Philly team Zhaire Smith has only played 13 minutes this season. Obviously he and Bolden are risks based on possibly not getting minutes because they suck but these are the type of cheap acquisitions that may just need a change of scenery or out of Brett Brown's doghouse. He still has two years left after this one on his rookie deal.
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Do we really need more players based on potential? We need some proven talent as we have Little, Simons, Trent, Skal and Gabriel as potential type players.
 
CupWizier said:
Do we really need more players based on potential? We need some proven talent as we have Little, Simons, Trent, Skal and Gabriel as potential type players.
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and Collins too. I still look at him as developing and still a ways to go because of this years injury.
 
CupWizier said:
Do we really need more players based on potential? We need some proven talent as we have Little, Simons, Trent, Skal and Gabriel as potential type players.
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I hate it when I agree with you...but I completely agree with you. If we're going "the cheap route, a la Hood", we absolutely should be looking for players who've already demonstrated the ability to be effective at the NBA level.
 
Get me one of these dudes and I’ll be happy

Covington
Saric
Nance
Valentine
 
Scalma said:
that would’ve only been interesting in a Whiteside deal. Don’t know how we would get him now. I wouldn’t give up Ariza for example.
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Whiteside/picks to Minny, Dieng/Simons to Dallas, Roco/Wright to Portland?
 
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