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GDiama said:
I've thought about the Otto Porter situation and I don't see why they should get only expirings. They have never been able to sign someone good in FA and there is nobody good anyway in 2020 FA. So the extra space won't be of any use really. If I was their GM I would just try keep him healthy and see what he can do next year as he has the potential to be a very good player, he just isn't able to stay healthy the last 12 months.
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Yup, and even if we let Bazemore, Whiteside, and Skal walk, we'd only have about $13M in cap space to make moves. Compare that to us simply being over the cap and having either a $6M MLE or a $10M MLE, combined with the other factors you stated here, and it makes no sense to pursue cap space.

I'm in favor of trying to land upgrades that are on "bad" two year deals instead of one, because those guys may be gettable without trading additional assets (for example, Bazemore and filler for Otto Porter Jr).

If we did make that deal and Otto Porter Jr didn't pan out, then we'd have a large expiring next season to use in a win-now trade, which we'd likely be in much better position for, and in a trade market that may present better options than we have available this year. That's far better than letting our contracts expire then letting guys walk and trying to replace them with $12M which would result in us not being able to trade enough salary that we'd be willing to part with for anyone making $20M or more.
 
BonesJones said:
Yup, and even if we let Bazemore, Whiteside, and Skal walk, we'd only have about $13M in cap space to make moves. Compare that to us simply being over the cap and having either a $6M MLE or a $10M MLE, combined with the other factors you stated here, and it makes no sense to pursue cap space.

I'm in favor of trying to land upgrades that are on "bad" two year deals instead of one, because those guys may be gettable without trading additional assets (for example, Bazemore and filler for Otto Porter Jr).

If we did make that deal and Otto Porter Jr didn't pan out, then we'd have a large expiring next season to use in a win-now trade, which we'd likely be in much better position for, and in a trade market that may present better options than we have available this year. That's far better than letting our contracts expire then letting guys walk and trying to replace them with $12M which would result in us not being able to trade enough salary that we'd be willing to part with for anyone making $20M or more.
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I think you misread his post. He was talking about the Bulls not the Blazers.
 
GDiama said:
I've thought about the Otto Porter situation and I don't see why they should get only expirings. They have never been able to sign someone good in FA and there is nobody good anyway in 2020 FA. So the extra space won't be of any use really. If I was their GM I would just try keep him healthy and see what he can do next year as he has the potential to be a very good player, he just isn't able to stay healthy the last 12 months.
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Chicago only gave up expirings and a protected 2nd round pick in 2023 to get Porter though. Why would his trade value be more than that right now considering he's barely played for Chicago since?

The Bulls are a notoriously cheap organization and didn't invest much to get Porter so they wouldn't be trying to recoup a 1st they lost or anything like that. I think they'd be thrilled to get out of OPJ's contract next year.
 
hoopsjock said:
Chicago only gave up expirings and a protected 2nd round pick in 2023 to get Porter though. Why would his trade value be more than that right now considering he's barely played for Chicago since?

The Bulls are a notoriously cheap organization and didn't invest much to get Porter so they wouldn't be trying to recoup a 1st they lost or anything like that. I think they'd be thrilled to get out of OPJ's contract next year.
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I cannot disagree with the second part because i actually don't know their intentions. But, regarding the first part, it doesn't have to mean his value went up as it doesn't work like that. When two teams are making a trade one can be incompetent and lose the trade or have reasons to sell really cheap. The Wizards panicked last year with Oubre and Porter and they did bad deals. They wanted out to avoid tax for next seasons as they decided to break the team.
 
I’ve been watching warriors games on purpose lately and I’d probably prioritize Glenn Robinson over Burks (although either would be a nice addition)

He’s often drawing the toughest perimeter assignment defensively and holding his own, while consistently knocking down shots. If he’s available, he’d be a very solid fit. If he’s not, Portland should pursue him in the summer anyway.
 
Scalma said:
I’ve been watching warriors games on purpose lately and I’d probably prioritize Glenn Robinson over Burks (although either would be a nice addition)

He’s often drawing the toughest perimeter assignment defensively and holding his own, while consistently knocking down shots. If he’s available, he’d be a very solid fit. If he’s not, Portland should pursue him in the summer anyway.
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Between the hard cap, a full roster, and almost using up all of the call up days for Lee and Bowman it makes total sense for both teams to make this happen. I'm kind of surprised it hasn't already.
 
hoopsjock said:
Between the hard cap, a full roster, and almost using up all of the call up days for Lee and Bowman it makes total sense for both teams to make this happen. I'm kind of surprised it hasn't already.
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idk what Olshey is waiting for honestly. Maybe he’s ok with the team barely staying afloat until Nurk returns, although we’d still need wings either way.
 
Scalma said:
idk what Olshey is waiting for honestly. Maybe he’s ok with the team barely staying afloat until Nurk returns, although we’d still need wings either way.
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We have wings.
Baze & Trent are awesome 3&D wings. Why would we need more?
 
Scalma said:
idk what Olshey is waiting for honestly. Maybe he’s ok with the team barely staying afloat until Nurk returns, although we’d still need wings either way.
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Yeah, the only thing I can think of is either there are bigger trades that would land us a wing or we'd need the roster spots for or he's been told with how the season is going to not add to the tax.
 
This trade idea probably will work best on draft day.

Trade our #1 pick, plus one young player, maybe Trent? For:

Cameron Johnson.
3D SF/PF with 2 more years on his rookie contract. He checks a lot of the boxes we need filled. And fits into our bad cap situation.

He has been productive coming off of the Sun's bench. And will have 2 seasons of NBA, and 5 seasons of college development.
 
Until the big trade(s) happens sometime before the February trade deadline, Olshey seems intent to keep the 15th roster spot open. Once January 6th comes, teams are allowed to sign players to 10-day non-guaranteed contracts with one 10-day extension allowed.

I think that Olshey will sign someone (Noah?) on that date for 10-20 days and thus keep the 15th spot open if needed (or eventually offer it to the player that he signs).
 
one out of 3 years? C'mon tbf, you're sharper than that. That one year is also just a partial season. Do you always grade a player on one partial season using one obscure stat? Nobody is saying he is great, but he's not a bad player either. By the way, do bad players average 18.7 ppg in a full season? Yogi Ferrel never did and he is 2 years older than Kuzma. I'd take Kuzma on our team.
 
CupWizier said:
one out of 3 years? C'mon tbf, you're sharper than that. That one year is also just a partial season. Do you always grade a player on one partial season using one obscure stat? Nobody is saying he is great, but he's not a bad player either. By the way, do bad players average 18.7 ppg in a full season? Yogi Ferrel never did and he is 2 years older than Kuzma. I'd take Kuzma on our team.
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He's not "bad", I'd take him as a bench scorer type role. He's the type that can come in and when he's on, be a factor, but I think he's really, really bad on defense, and mostly a streaky shooter. I also think we wouldn't hear as much about him if he was in Denver instead of LA. I'm trying to think of a comp and it's alluding me at the moment. Cause he's not really a guy who creates his own shot much either like many bench scorers. Hmm.
 


It’s time. Go get Burks or Robinson. It would also make trading Bazemore easier.
 
By Jason Quick

It’s also worth noting that the expiring contracts of Whiteside and Bazemore are not as attractive as they might be in other years, because teams taking on those contracts to get salary cap relief will be doing so in a summer when the free agent market is scarce.

So it will be fascinating to watch what Olshey is able to pull off, if anything. My sense is he will try for the big splash, but his reluctance to part with his pillars and his prized youngsters will lead him to try and make steady, fill-the-void moves. Perhaps something small like Anthony Tolliver and second round picks for Juancho Hernangomez or something bigger like Bazemore for Marvin Williams.
 
GDiama said:
By Jason Quick

It’s also worth noting that the expiring contracts of Whiteside and Bazemore are not as attractive as they might be in other years, because teams taking on those contracts to get salary cap relief will be doing so in a summer when the free agent market is scarce.

So it will be fascinating to watch what Olshey is able to pull off, if anything. My sense is he will try for the big splash, but his reluctance to part with his pillars and his prized youngsters will lead him to try and make steady, fill-the-void moves. Perhaps something small like Anthony Tolliver and second round picks for Juancho Hernangomez or something bigger like Bazemore for Marvin Williams.
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my hunch is the biggest problem with expecting a good return from Portland's expiring contracts is the market...it's flooded:

Hassan Whiteside $27,093,018
Marc Gasol $25,595,700
Chandler Parsons $25,102,511
Serge Ibaka $23,271,604
Danilo Gallinari $22,615,559
Kent Bazemore $19,269,662
Tyler Johnson $19,245,370
Goran Dragić $19,217,900
Jeff Teague $19,000,000
Evan Turner $18,606,557
Tristan Thompson $18,539,130
Allen Crabbe $18,500,000
Reggie Jackson $18,086,956
Derrick Favors $17,650,000
Andre Iguodala $17,185,185
Bismack Biyombo $17,000,000
Brandon Knight $15,643,750
Ian Mahinmi $15,450,051
Marvin Williams $15,006,250
Marcus Morris $15,000,000
Bobby Portis $15,000,000
Mason Plumlee $14,041,096
Jordan Clarkson $13,437,500
Solomon Hill $13,258,781
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist $13,000,000
Courtney Lee $12,759,670
Miles Plumlee $12,500,000
Maurice Harkless $11,511,234
Meyers Leonard $11,286,515
Andre Roberson $10,740,741
John Henson $9,732,396
Matthew Dellavedova $9,607,500
Fred VanVleet $9,000,000
C.J. Miles $8,730,158
E'Twaun Moore $8,664,928
Bogdan Bogdanović $8,529,386
Jae Crowder $7,815,533
Joe Harris $7,670,000
Langston Galloway $7,333,333
D.J. Augustin $7,250,000
Josh Jackson $7,059,480
Dāvis Bertāns $7,000,000
Marco Belinelli $5,846,154
Aron Baynes $5,453,280
Kris Dunn $5,348,007

that's not a seller's market...just the opposite because you know a whole bunch of those guys are being shopped right now.

so the question is how long of a contract would Portland be willing to add and which assets would the Blazers be willing to attach? Start with the notion that is the Blazers were willing to take on longer salary, they could have done so last summer. But they traded expirings for expirings

it might also be a "too-little-too-late" situation. Most trades happen in that last week before the trade deadline, and if the Blazers, because of the brutal stretch of games ahead are 10-15 games under .500, is there any real value in making a trade?
 
wizenheimer said:
my hunch is the biggest problem with expecting a good return from Portland's expiring contracts is the market...it's flooded:

Hassan Whiteside $27,093,018
Marc Gasol $25,595,700
Chandler Parsons $25,102,511
Serge Ibaka $23,271,604
Danilo Gallinari $22,615,559
Kent Bazemore $19,269,662
Tyler Johnson $19,245,370
Goran Dragić $19,217,900
Jeff Teague $19,000,000
Evan Turner $18,606,557
Tristan Thompson $18,539,130
Allen Crabbe $18,500,000
Reggie Jackson $18,086,956
Derrick Favors $17,650,000
Andre Iguodala $17,185,185
Bismack Biyombo $17,000,000
Brandon Knight $15,643,750
Ian Mahinmi $15,450,051
Marvin Williams $15,006,250
Marcus Morris $15,000,000
Bobby Portis $15,000,000
Mason Plumlee $14,041,096
Jordan Clarkson $13,437,500
Solomon Hill $13,258,781
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist $13,000,000
Courtney Lee $12,759,670
Miles Plumlee $12,500,000
Maurice Harkless $11,511,234
Meyers Leonard $11,286,515
Andre Roberson $10,740,741
John Henson $9,732,396
Matthew Dellavedova $9,607,500
Fred VanVleet $9,000,000
C.J. Miles $8,730,158
E'Twaun Moore $8,664,928
Bogdan Bogdanović $8,529,386
Jae Crowder $7,815,533
Joe Harris $7,670,000
Langston Galloway $7,333,333
D.J. Augustin $7,250,000
Josh Jackson $7,059,480
Dāvis Bertāns $7,000,000
Marco Belinelli $5,846,154
Aron Baynes $5,453,280
Kris Dunn $5,348,007

that's not a seller's market...just the opposite because you know a whole bunch of those guys are being shopped right now.

so the question is how long of a contract would Portland be willing to add and which assets would the Blazers be willing to attach? Start with the notion that is the Blazers were willing to take on longer salary, they could have done so last summer. But they traded expirings for expirings

it might also be a "too-little-too-late" situation. Most trades happen in that last week before the trade deadline, and if the Blazers, because of the brutal stretch of games ahead are 10-15 games under .500, is there any real value in making a trade?
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there’s nearly 50 games left, the team is still in the playoff hunt, and the only guy they’ve definitely lost for the season is Hood. So, yes.
 
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GDiama said:
By Jason Quick

It’s also worth noting that the expiring contracts of Whiteside and Bazemore are not as attractive as they might be in other years, because teams taking on those contracts to get salary cap relief will be doing so in a summer when the free agent market is scarce.

So it will be fascinating to watch what Olshey is able to pull off, if anything. My sense is he will try for the big splash, but his reluctance to part with his pillars and his prized youngsters will lead him to try and make steady, fill-the-void moves. Perhaps something small like Anthony Tolliver and second round picks for Juancho Hernangomez or something bigger like Bazemore for Marvin Williams.
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So more of the wait & see and bull trades.
 
I wonder if Boston would be interested in Whiteside and if Gordon Hayward became available?
 
It really feels like we eventually trade for Love and Olshey will say look we wouldn't have much space next summer, but now we have an All Star locked for many years.

At least it will help tanking because Melo will shift to SF. Legendary stuff.
 
Let's revitalize this thread. Here's my suggestion...

It doesn't solve the mess we're in, but it does significantly lower the tax hit this year:
https://tradenba.com/trades/lRM00P4ju

Blazers:
Bazemore ($19.3m) + 2020 2nd + Cash ($3m) -> Harkless ($11.1m) + Walton Jr. ($1.4m)

This is a cap related move. Blazers send out $19.3m and take back $12.5m, which would save ~$6.8m on salary (~$15m with tax considerations). They only have to give up a early second this year + cash. Walton's contract is non-guaranteed prior to January 10th. If trade occurs and he's cut immediately, Blazers could potentially save another ~$3m.

Clippers:
Harkless ($11.1m) + Walton Jr. ($1.4m) + 2021 2nd (via Detroit) -> Morris ($15.0m)

Clippers make a cheap win-now move. They get the best player in the trade, while only giving up a future 2nd.

Knicks:
Morris ($15.0m) -> Bazemore ($19.3m) + 2020 2nd (Portland) + 2021 2nd (via Detroit) + Cash ($3m)

Rumor has it that Morris wants out. Knicks are likely looking for a 1st, but it's highly doubtful that anyone will pay that price. Instead they get 2 higher 2nd round picks for the next two years. The cash considerations offsets the difference in salaries, so Knicks have no out-of-pocket expense with this trade.
 
I guess with Isaac out for two months Orlando is done and will look to get rid of some contracts. Gordon has been terrible this season but only 24 and can help with his athleticism.

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GDiama said:
I guess with Isaac out for two months Orlando is done and will look to get rid of some contracts. Gordon has been terrible this season but only 24 and can help with his athleticism.

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Great. Just what we need. Someone else who has been suffering with achilles pain.
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Also, I don't think the Magic will pull the plug with Isaac being out. They are solidly positioned to fight for the Playoffs.
 
I wonder if Sacramento would be more willing to talk Bogdanovic if Portland also took on Dedmon or Ariza. One of those two plus Bogi for Whiteside (or Baze) works financially. They may actually have legit interest in Whiteside, as they could use a starting center, and they would also acquire his bird rights. We plug in Bogi at SF and Dedmon can back up Nurk.

Then we’d still have the Bazemore contract and Hood DPE to make upgrades.
 
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Scalma said:
I wonder if Sacramento would be more willing to talk Bogdanovic if Portland also took on Dedmon or Ariza. One of those two plus Bogi for Whiteside (or Baze) works financially. They may actually have legit interest in Whiteside, as they could use a starting center, and they would also acquire his bird rights. We plug in Bogi at SF and Dedmon can back up Nurk.

Then we’d still have the Bazemore contract and Hood DPE to make upgrades.
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I believe we also have two trade exceptions of 1.8 and 1.7 mil
 
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