Require parents who don’t want a child vaccinated to get a science lesson

[SlyPokerDog]

SALEM — On a party-line vote, the Oregon Senate approved on Thursday a bill that will make it more difficult for parents to opt out of state-required immunizations for their children when they enter schools or group child care. Senate Bill 132 would require all parents to receive information about vaccines either from a doctor or an online video before they can opt out. That’s a key change from current law, which allows a parent to refuse immunization on religious grounds by simply signing a form. Under current law, children can also receive exemptions based on medical grounds such as the immunization being dangerous or unnecessary, but these waivers can only be approved by doctors or local health authorities.

After a lengthy floor debate, the bill passed on a 16-13 vote, with one Senate Republican excused.

It now heads to the House.

Proponents point to the current 6.4 percent of Oregon kindergartners whose parents exempted them on religious grounds from at least one vaccination this year — the highest rate in the nation and one that has increased steadily over the past decade.

That can expose unvaccinated children to preventable but dangerous diseases such as whooping cough, measles and chicken pox, they say.

http://www.registerguard.com/rg/new...ill-parents-immunizations-opt-oregon.html.csp

 

[Haakzilla]

Proponents point to the current 6.4 percent of Oregon kindergartners whose parents exempted them on religious grounds from at least one vaccination this year — the highest rate in the nation and one that has increased steadily over the past decade.

That can expose unvaccinated children to preventable but dangerous diseases such as whooping cough, measles and chicken pox, they say.

http://www.registerguard.com/rg/new...ill-parents-immunizations-opt-oregon.html.csp

...can we get some follow up stats regarding the outcome of this increase and how it correlates to dangerous disease rates during that same time frame?

 

[BrianFromWA]

which "religious" ground is it that allows this?

 

[Sinobas]

Then maybe parents who get their children vaccinated should be forced to watch videos about how it can fuck certain kids up.

 

[speeds]

Then maybe parents who get their children vaccinated should be forced to watch videos about how it can fuck certain kids up.

Or visit the graves of the up to 1200 dead (un-vaccinated) children since 2007 from preventable diseases? (1)

Or be forced to read the scientifically valid studies linking vaccinations to autism, the grand total of which so far is none? (2)

Or be forced to read that even the 1 or 2 children per million that are allergic to vaccines can still be vaccinated? (3)

 

[Further]

http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com

Everyone needs enough education to not be taken in by the likes of Jenny McCarthy.

 

[Sinobas]

First of all, not all vaccines are very effective, and we still have vaccines on the schedule for nearly extinct diseases, and diseases that are extremly low risk for children. It's not reasonable to believe that you can simply inject an unlimited amount of these kinds of substances into the blood stream, esepcially of young children, and have no effect.

The rate of autism has jumped from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 100, and the rise coincides with the increase in the rates of vaccinations, and it's idiotic to simply dismiss this correlation offhand, especially when there is actually a lot of science showing how the ingredients of vaccines can cause neurological damage.

So this is not a cut and dry issue, people should be able to make an informed decision, but that does not mean only getting one side of the story. If you are going to force people to get one side of the story, force the to get the other.

 

[Sinobas]

Jenny McCarthy is a mother whose son developed autism right after getting vaccines, and there are millions of parents who experienced the same situation. Why should we not listen to their experiences? Big Pharma is the one making money off these vaccines, and the CDC is in bed with big Pharma, so they have a profit motive, which is often grounds for corruption, they are not out there to look after your well being.

Bottom line: these vaccines are not innert substances, they contain things such as sqaulene, formalydehyde, mercury compounds, and of course, the disease themselves which produce an immune response. Do you really believe the does doesn't matter, or that it's impossible that these known neuro-toxins are actually damaging the neurological systems of children?

 

[MARIS61]

Then maybe parents who get their children vaccinated should be forced to watch videos about how it can fuck certain kids up.

Better yet, force the politicians who voted for this to read The Constitution, The Bill of Rights, and watch the video. Then introduce them to some of the tens of millions of kids it has harmed.

Personally, I had chicken pox 3 times despite (or because of) the fact I had been vaccinated.

 

[MARIS61]

Or be forced to read the scientifically valid studies linking vaccinations to autism, the grand total of which so far is none?

Or be forced to read the scientifically valid studies disproving that vaccinations cause autism, the grand total of which so far is none?

All supposedly "scientifically valid studies" are funded by either Big Pharma or government grants, which pretty much obliterates any credibility you might claim them to have. They are nothing more than sales pitches.

 

[Haakzilla]

...rep for all of the last 4 posts!

 

[BrianFromWA]

again, I see the "Constitutional" reason, I see the "I don't want to subject my child to something that could cause autism" reason, I see the "I just don't wanna" reason--but, seriously, what's the "religious grounds" that people can use to opt out?

 

[RR7]

again, I see the "Constitutional" reason, I see the "I don't want to subject my child to something that could cause autism" reason, I see the "I just don't wanna" reason--but, seriously, what's the "religious grounds" that people can use to opt out?

I think the Christian Scientists, those groups that oppose most, or all medication, and go with prayer to heal people.

 

[speeds]

Jenny McCarthy is a mother whose son developed autism right after getting vaccines, and there are millions of parents who experienced the same situation. Why should we not listen to their experiences? Big Pharma is the one making money off these vaccines, and the CDC is in bed with big Pharma, so they have a profit motive, which is often grounds for corruption, they are not out there to look after your well being.

Bottom line: these vaccines are not innert substances, they contain things such as sqaulene, formalydehyde, mercury compounds, and of course, the disease themselves which produce an immune response. Do you really believe the does doesn't matter, or that it's impossible that these known neuro-toxins are actually damaging the neurological systems of children?

She also believes she cured her son's autism so if you want to throw your hat in with that lot, more power to you. The primary study that all of this was based on has been so thoroughly debunked that it's not even worth bringing into the conversation.

Correlation does not imply causation.

 

[speeds]

Or be forced to read the scientifically valid studies disproving that vaccinations cause autism, the grand total of which so far is none?

All supposedly "scientifically valid studies" are funded by either Big Pharma or government grants, which pretty much obliterates any credibility you might claim them to have. They are nothing more than sales pitches.

Studies to disprove a claim that hasn't been established? You want everyone chasing their tails?

You can't make a wild claim then force everyone else to do your work by disproving it, rather than backing it up yourself. That's religion's job.

 

[Further]

Depressing

 

[MARIS61]

Studies to disprove a claim that hasn't been established? You want everyone chasing their tails?
You can't make a wild claim then force everyone else to do your work by disproving it, rather than backing it up yourself. That's religion's job.

You already have.

You claim vaccinations are safe, despite decades of studies showing they cause autism and sometimes death from the very diseases they target. My physician told me my vaccinations were what caused me to get chicken pox three times in as many years. It is the leading suspect in my contraction of Stevens-Johnson Syndrome that nearly killed me as a teen.

There are 2 kinds of people when it comes to vaccinations.

Those who have personally experienced the disastrous side effects and those who support forced mass vaccinations while remaining blissfully ignorant of the facts.

The main cause of lupus and hepatitis is the widespread use of the anti-biotic tetracycline, but Big Pharma and the government will blame it on IV-drug use and tattoos.

Who do you trust?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

First of all, not all vaccines are very effective, and we still have vaccines on the schedule for nearly extinct diseases, and diseases that are extremly low risk for children. It's not reasonable to believe that you can simply inject an unlimited amount of these kinds of substances into the blood stream, esepcially of young children, and have no effect.

The rate of autism has jumped from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 100, and the rise coincides with the increase in the rates of vaccinations, and it's idiotic to simply dismiss this correlation offhand, especially when there is actually a lot of science showing how the ingredients of vaccines can cause neurological damage.

So this is not a cut and dry issue, people should be able to make an informed decision, but that does not mean only getting one side of the story. If you are going to force people to get one side of the story, force the to get the other.

Jenny McCarthy is a mother whose son developed autism right after getting vaccines, and there are millions of parents who experienced the same situation. Why should we not listen to their experiences? Big Pharma is the one making money off these vaccines, and the CDC is in bed with big Pharma, so they have a profit motive, which is often grounds for corruption, they are not out there to look after your well being.

Bottom line: these vaccines are not innert substances, they contain things such as sqaulene, formalydehyde, mercury compounds, and of course, the disease themselves which produce an immune response. Do you really believe the does doesn't matter, or that it's impossible that these known neuro-toxins are actually damaging the neurological systems of children?

You already have.

You claim vaccinations are safe, despite decades of studies showing they cause autism and sometimes death from the very diseases they target. My physician told me my vaccinations were what caused me to get chicken pox three times in as many years. It is the leading suspect in my contraction of Stevens-Johnson Syndrome that nearly killed me as a teen.

There are 2 kinds of people when it comes to vaccinations.

Those who have personally experienced the disastrous side effects and those who support forced mass vaccinations while remaining blissfully ignorant of the facts.

The main cause of lupus and hepatitis is the widespread use of the anti-biotic tetracycline, but Big Pharma and the government will blame it on IV-drug use and tattoos.

Who do you trust?

Autism has a strong genetic basis, although the genetics of autism are complex and it is unclear whether ASD is explained more by rare mutations, or by rare combinations of common genetic variants.[5] In rare cases, autism is strongly associated with agents that cause birth defects.[6] Controversies surround other proposed environmental causes, such as heavy metals, pesticides or childhood vaccines;[7] the vaccine hypotheses are biologically implausible and lack convincing scientific evidence.[8] The prevalence of autism is about 1–2 per 1,000 people worldwide, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) report 20 per 1,000 children in the United States are diagnosed with ASD as of 2012 (up from 11 per 1,000 in 2008).[7][9][10] The number of people diagnosed with autism has been increasing dramatically since the 1980s, partly due to changes in diagnostic practice and government-subsidized financial incentives for named diagnoses;[10] the question of whether actual prevalence has increased is unresolved.[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Better yet, force the politicians who voted for this to read The Constitution, The Bill of Rights, and watch the video. Then introduce them to some of the tens of millions of kids it has harmed.

Personally, I had chicken pox 3 times despite (or because of) the fact I had been vaccinated.

You already have.

You claim vaccinations are safe, despite decades of studies showing they cause autism and sometimes death from the very diseases they target. My physician told me my vaccinations were what caused me to get chicken pox three times in as many years. It is the leading suspect in my contraction of Stevens-Johnson Syndrome that nearly killed me as a teen.

There are 2 kinds of people when it comes to vaccinations.

Those who have personally experienced the disastrous side effects and those who support forced mass vaccinations while remaining blissfully ignorant of the facts.

The main cause of lupus and hepatitis is the widespread use of the anti-biotic tetracycline, but Big Pharma and the government will blame it on IV-drug use and tattoos.

Who do you trust?

Serious question, how old are you? You say this, " It is the leading suspect in my contraction of Stevens-Johnson Syndrome that nearly killed me as a teen" but the Chickpox vaccine has only been available in the US since 1995.

Also the top 2 causes of Stevens-Johnson Syndrome is herpes and AIDS so your doctor might have been injecting you with something else besides a needle. Like maybe his penis.

 

[MARIS61]

Serious question, how old are you? You say this, " It is the leading suspect in my contraction of Stevens-Johnson Syndrome that nearly killed me as a teen" but the Chickpox vaccine has only been available in the US since 1995.

Also the top 2 causes of Stevens-Johnson Syndrome is herpes and AIDS so your doctor might have been injecting you with something else besides a needle. Like maybe his penis.

He was referring to polio, mumps and measles vaccine which I was given at school, or to be more precise drugs included in the vaccine which mess with your immune system.

The condition was first described in 1922 by Stevens and Johnson as a febrile illness with stomatitis, purulent conjunctivitis, and skin lesions. The syndrome is generally described as vesiculobullous erythema multiforme of the skin, mouth, eyes, and genitals.

Case Report

A 14-year-old male patient presented to the emergency department complaining of four days of increasing dysphagia, dysuria, photophobia, and a macular rash extending from the trunk toward the extremities. The only medication used by the patient was tetracycline, which he had been taking for two weeks as treatment for facial acne.

http://xnet.kp.org/permanentejournal/winter02/casestudy.html

In 2010, the FDA added tetracycline to its Adverse Event Reporting System (AERS).[13] The AERS contains a list of medications under investigation by the FDA for potential safety issues. The list is published quarterly and available online. The AERS cites a potential link between the use of tetracycline products and Stevens–Johnson syndrome, toxic epidermal necrolysis and erythema multiforme.

Other side effects from Tetracycline:

Use of the tetracycline antibiotics group is problematic; they can:[citation needed]

Stain developing teeth (even when taken by the mother during pregnancy)
Discolor permanent teeth (yellow-gray-brown), from infancy and childhood to eight years old
Be inactivated by Ca2+ ion, so are not to be taken with milk, yogurt, and other dairy products
Be inactivated by aluminium, iron and zinc, not to be taken at the same time as indigestion remedies (common antacids and over-the-counter heartburn medicines)
Cause skin photosensitivity. so exposure to the sun or intense light is not recommended
Cause drug-induced lupus, and hepatitis
Cause microvesicular fatty liver
Cause tinnitus
Suppress sperm production.[11]
Interfere with methotrexate by displacing it from the various protein binding sites
Cause breathing complications, as well as anaphylactic shock, in some individuals
Affect bone growth of the fetus, so should be avoided during pregnancy

Caution should be exercised in long-term use with breastfeeding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetracycline#Cautions.2C_contraindications.2C_side_effects


Tetracycline has many uses including as a marker in vaccines and other drug studies. It's nearly impossible to avoid it if you use medications.

As for the AIDS dig, that's an ignorant statement.

SJS is a lifelong, daily threat in the lives of those who survive it, so I'm pretty sure I know a bit more about it than you.

The most common cause of Stevens-Johnson Syndrome and Toxic Epidermal Necrolysis is through an allergic drug reaction. The drugs that are usually responsible for these reactions include: some NSAIDS (non-steroid anti-inflammatory drugs), Allopurinol, Phenytoin, Carbamazepine, barbiturates, anticonvulsants, and sulfa antibiotics. The onset of symptoms in drug related Stevens-Johnson Syndrome may not appear for one or two weeks after first taking the drug. Reaction to drugs is by far the most common cause of Stevens-Johnson Syndrome and Toxic Epidermal Necrolysis.

Other causes of Stevens-Johnson Syndrome are very few and far between, and other than drug-related reactions there are few known causes...

The relationship between Stevens-Johnson Syndrome and drugs has seen a high rise in the number of people filing lawsuits against various pharmaceutical giants. The latest drug company to come under fire because of Stevens-Johnson Syndrome is Pfizer, the manufacturer of the cox-2 inhibitor, Bextra. This drug was approved by the Food and Drugs Administration in 2001, and it is thought that the FDA was aware of the drug’s links to Stevens-Johnson Syndrome and Toxic Epidermal Necrolysis. However, the drug was still approved and prescribed to millions, yet it is only now – after over three years – that the FDA has ordered Pfizer to add a black box warning to Bextra packaging warning of its links with Stevens-Johnson Syndrome.

http://www.skinassn.org/causes-of-stevens-johnson-syndrome.html

Stevens–Johnson syndrome (SJS) and toxic epidermal necrolysis (TEN) are two forms of a life-threatening skin condition, in which cell death causes the epidermis to separate from the dermis. The syndrome is thought[by whom?] to be a hypersensitivity complex that affects the skin and the mucous membranes. The main known cause is certain medications, followed by infections and, rarely, cancers.

...These conditions were first recognized in 1922

If you really want to learn about it, here's what is known:

http://sjsupport.org/

Or if you are more of a look at the pictures type:

https://www.google.com/search?q=ste...gKd-AE&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=617

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I was referring to mumps and measles vaccine.

And you don't think you need a science lesson about vaccines...

And what chickenpox, mumps and measles are.

 

[speeds]

You already have.

You claim vaccinations are safe, despite decades of studies showing they cause autism and sometimes death from the very diseases they target.

Please link to the mountain of evidence decades of studies successfully demonstrating a link between vaccines and autism you purport to have. I'm more than happy to change my opinion on the subject if you can do so.

Autism is a spectrum disorder, the development of which sometimes coincides with the age at which children are administered the MMR vaccine. Since the debunked Lancet study there have been over a dozen studies conducted surveying hundreds of thousands of children, none of which have demonstrated a significant difference in the rate of autism between vaccinated and un-vaccinated children. The panic among some parents (and reemergence of preventable diseases such as whooping cough) has spurred many more studies that are ongoing--I don't know what the results will be.

If you think every study debunking the autism-vaccine link is fraudulent I would suggest the trust issues are your own.

 

[Further]

Maris doesn't believe studies done by business or government, so basically that only leaves McCarthy.

 

[speeds]

You claim vaccinations are safe

I didn't. I don't want to argue about minocycline or thimerosal or the components of vaccines administered before I was born, before the supposed boom in autism. My issue is with the anecdotal/unscientific connection people are willing to make regarding vaccines and autism.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Maris doesn't believe studies done by business or government, so basically that only leaves McCarthy.

Big Foots don't get vaccinated and you never see autistic Big Foots.

 

[Further]

Big Foots don't get vaccinated and you never see autistic Big Foots.

Every single big foot I have seen was obviously autistic.




Autism is a complex issue and there are many scientists working on many possible causes. Likely, there will not be a specific cause, but a whole bunch of environmental factors from drinking in utero, diet of mother and baby, age of parents (especially father), metal and other toxicities in water. Most of these possible factors are being researched. But one area that has been researched thoroughly and debunked are that vaccines, as they are currently administered, are the cause. Most of the time, I would laugh if off as people just not understanding the importance of scientific research, but in this case there is little funny about the kids that die because of this stupid misunderstanding.

 

[Denny Crane]

It's none of the state's business to interfere with how parents choose to raise their kids.

That said, I don't at all believe vaccinations cause autism, and I would vaccinate my kids and hope everyone else does so, too.

 

[Further]

It's none of the state's business to interfere with how parents choose to raise their kids.

That said, I don't at all believe vaccinations cause autism, and I would vaccinate my kids and hope everyone else does so, too.

I would agree with you on many similar issues, but I don't think it's quite so clear cut with some vaccines since some diseases might require a grand plan to it eradicate the disease. Polio for example is a thing of the past because we were able to vaccinate the vast majority of kid for years. There will be a tipping point at witch if too many opt out of vaccinations then large scale disease could result. Right now we are talking dozens of deaths per year, what if that projected to become thousands or millions of deaths.

 

[Denny Crane]

The grand plan still works if a few morons refuse to participate.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I would agree with you on many similar issues, but I don't think it's quite so clear cut with some vaccines since some diseases might require a grand plan to it eradicate the disease. Polio for example is a thing of the past because we were able to vaccinate the vast majority of kid for years. There will be a tipping point at witch if too many opt out of vaccinations then large scale disease could result. Right now we are talking dozens of deaths per year, what if that projected to become thousands or millions of deaths.

If the majority of kids got polio than Denny's kids could be professional athletes. Without the other kids being crippled then his kids would go back to be last picked.