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The 2nd amendment says we will not need to wait for the police to come tomorrow.
Is that in the Second Amendment’s fine print?? I must have missed the part about the cops. Oh wait, organized police departments didn’t become a “thing” until 1829.......in England, NOT the U.S. Let’s please quit adding extra bullshit to an amendment that is already vague and arguably misinterpreted every which way but loose.....
 
Is that in the Second Amendment’s fine print?? I must have missed the part about the cops. Oh wait, organized police departments didn’t become a “thing” until 1829.......in England, NOT the U.S. Let’s please quit adding extra bullshit to an amendment that is already vague and arguably misinterpreted every which way but loose.....
Have you ever heard of a well regulated militia? I guess not.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Who do you think enforces our security? The police and the military. 'Nuff said?
 
Have you ever heard of a well regulated militia? I guess not.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Who do you think enforces our security? The police and the military. 'Nuff said?

Federalist No. 29 (Alexander Hamilton) and Federalist No. 46 (James Madison) go into more detail about the second amendment.
 
Have you ever heard of a well regulated militia? I guess not.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Who do you think enforces our security? The police and the military. 'Nuff said?
And you just jumped on the elephant in the room. Who, what and/or where is your “well regulated militia”? The current population who have pretty much unfettered rights to gun ownership? Are mass shootings the acts of a well regulated militia? Gun owners love the word “regulated” in the amendment, and use it to justify their rights. But they hate the word “regulated” if it actually puts any type restrictions on them. We have no militia, well regulated or otherwise. Which seems to blow a hole right through any argument against restrictions on gun ownership.
 
And you just jumped on the elephant in the room. Who, what and/or where is your “well regulated militia”? The current population who have pretty much unfettered rights to gun ownership? Are mass shootings the acts of a well regulated militia? Gun owners love the word “regulated” in the amendment, and use it to justify their rights. But they hate the word “regulated” if it actually puts any type restrictions on them. We have no militia, well regulated or otherwise. Which seems to blow a hole right through any argument against restrictions on gun ownership.
Well regulated militia is our police force and National Guard as well as our military.
A majority in the Supreme Court has ruled mistakenly against that. According to them every Tom, Dick and Harry comprise a well regulated militia. Chief Jusitce Warren Burger said
that the sale, purchase, and use of guns should be regulated just as automobiles and boats are regulated; such regulations would not violate the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. He also said that a huge national defense establishment has assumed the role of the militia of 200 years ago.
 
Is that in the Second Amendment’s fine print??

If you check any police force in our state and most. You will find none that are committed to protect you or me. Most will not even commit to show up when called on the same day.
The second amendment assures us we have the right to do so ourselves. It does not require you to do shit, It only assures us we have the right to bear the means to do so.

Natural law has long stated that men have the right to protected themselves with arm when necessary. Thank god Madison got the mean in the Constitution via the Second amendment some how.
It is mind boggling to see any man claim that this in not right. It is and you should read Scalia's take in his last majority opinion on the subject.
It will not go away without one hell of a fight, you can be sure. I am sure.
 
If you check any police force in our state and most. You will find none that are committed to protect you or me.
This is not true by any stretch of the imagination......where I live they do good work and know the community...hold weekly Q and As with anyone who has questions...when a kid showed up at the local high school years ago with a weapon they were on site in minutes and confiscated his gun....this was years ago....there are good cops...my cousin in Iowa is my hometown's sheriff now....great guy. Doesn't need to carry a gun around. Knows everybody....if you want to know your local cops learn their names maybe......here I know them by first name...respect those that do good work...blanket criticisms are just bs...it's like saying firemen won't show up if your house is on fire. It's as if vets returning from war are called murderers and baby killers when they step off the boat...snark for the sake of snark...I have another buddy who's a bush pilot in Canada...some folks live in remote areas where nobody can get to until tomorrow..choices. You can protect yourself with a manually chambered hunting weapon...nobody needs an AR15 to protect their home ...you should get by with a shotgun or a snub nose 38.....the handgun police used for a long time.
 
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Well regulated militia is our police force and National Guard as well as our military.

This is just plain wrong. The national guard is, for all intents and purposes, the US military. They go through the same bootcamp, they deploy overseas with the military, and they wear "US Army" on their chest.
 
This is just plain wrong. The national guard is, for all intents and purposes, the US military. They go through the same bootcamp, they deploy overseas with the military, and they wear "US Army" on their chest.

In Lanny's post he mentioned military so how was he wrong?
 
This is just plain wrong. The national guard is, for all intents and purposes, the US military. They go through the same bootcamp, they deploy overseas with the military, and they wear "US Army" on their chest.
Wrong again. The National Guard is under control of the governor of the state they represent. They only get under the control of the military when the President orders it.
In any case both the National Guard and the military are well regulated. Private individuals are not well regulated.
 
And what if the American military and the American police force isn't on our side anymore?
Then you are fucked....anywhere on the planet. I've seen Martial Law in countries where soldiers are on the streets in full gear. If that happens here....a coup has succeeded. Personally I don't see that ever happening here.
 
This is just plain wrong. The national guard is, for all intents and purposes, the US military. They go through the same bootcamp, they deploy overseas with the military, and they wear "US Army" on their chest.
The wear US Army National Guard on their chest....just like there's a USN and a USNR......I thought you knew about this soldiering shit?
 
Then you are fucked....anywhere on the planet. I've seen Martial Law in countries where soldiers are on the streets in full gear. If that happens here....a coup has succeeded. Personally I don't see that ever happening here.
I don’t think so. Trying to flush out the most heavily armed population on the planet would be no simple task. Look at Afghanistan as a comparison. We’re still over there fucking around with guerillas and it’s not nearly as big, and it’s people not nearly as armed. It would be a mess for decades.
 
The wear US Army National Guard on their chest....just like there's a USN and a USNR......I thought you knew about this soldiering shit?

They do not. That would be one long ass name tape dude. They wear US Army.
 
This is not true by any stretch of the imagination..[/QUOTE
>>> Everything I posted is absolutely true. Check out each point for the fact
there are good cops..
>>>>Most are, now this is a fact. No snark! But none have the mission of protecting you or any individual. That falls on the individual or their protector.
I gather you live outside a City, well your police force on call is probably the Sheriff. Check out the response time he does commit to providing. I did, it is not today, his time is, with in 24 hours. That is this County, in Union County, it was with in 48 hours.
I would rather doubt Lane county would commit to less the 8 hr, that would be really fast, unless of course you needed immediate help and a weapon.
snark for the sake of snark..
>>>I do believe this is snark.
you should get by with a shotgun or a snub nose 38...
I have a shotgun, several. I have S&W .38 with the long barrel, hand loads that make it nearly like a .357, quite a nice hand gun. Good choices, but I have several more for more coverage.
 
It's interesting that the Support The Troops crowd also wants to be able to kill them.

You do understand, that having the right to bear arms is not equal to Wanting to Kill our troops?
But it might be snark.
 
You do understand, that having the right to bear arms is not equal to Wanting to Kill our troops?
But it might be snark.

You're not one of the Support our Troops crowd.
 
my cousin in Iowa is my hometown's sheriff now....great guy
I don't think my home town has a Sheriff, but the Sheriff in my county is also a great quy. His take is as a Law enforcement officer, is his oath to support the Constitution above all. He will not enforce laws that maybe counter to the US Constitution.
I like this. He seem to have read Article VI of the Constitution;

"shall be the
supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the
Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary not withstanding."

Come to think of it, the local Police Chief in Bandon expressed the same message.
 
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Did any of you here, listen to Beto telling everyone what he would ban?
My goodness, from what he said, I am quite sure he would ban all bullets from use.

I would like to see a candidate that would ban all people, that would take a weapon and use it
indiscriminately against our people.
 
They do not. That would be one long ass name tape dude. They wear US Army.
So you're talking about autographs.name tags? ..yeah, they only use your last name too....just like basketball jerseys. This is their official insignia
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