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Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?

I can agree with all points in this thread, and I wasn't trying to knock Miller for the comments he made about his playing time last season. In fact, I want to go on record that I was in full support for him being vocal about it. Regardless, I am just a little saddened by the insensitivity of the Blazer fans on a player that did put his body, desire and will for this franchise. I wish he would just get traded, maybe some team would take the risk, so he can work back into his old self.

This just stinks of the days Drexler was injured and the team gave the team to Cliff Robinson. Then Drexler went to Houston to win a title. In fact, Kersey, Porter and even Rider all left Portland and won a title with another team.

I think people looking outside in still thinks Roy has the ability to be great, but would they be willing to take the risk? It just hurts that the very same people that cheered him on when he was hitting all those clutch shots, making the all star team and being labeled a superstar are the very same fans that are yelling for him to get off the court now. I'm a bit too loyal I guess.
 
magnifier661 said:
Andre, no. Wes, yes. Why because Andre is a proven vet that historically is a great player. Wes has been in the league for 2 years. Yeah this year was a great one for him, but he hasn't paid his dues to justify this.
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Did anyone care when Miller threw Nate under the bus? He did that last year. Vets that have a feel for their game and what they expect they can do, has a certain level of "ego" that transcends to their respect in the league. Timid players are always put in the back burner, while the more aggressive players become stars.
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Brandon has been in the league all of 5 years, yet he was going to the press and throwing Miller under the bus both last year and this. Why? Because he felt Andre's play didn't compliment his game enough and so he didn't accept the coaches decision to play the "historically great" vet of 11 seasons for the betterment of the team. He is the same self centered jock now as then.

His knees are now shot to the point he moves at the speed of a back up Big... dude can't even stay in front of Peja on D. On offense his PER for these playoffs is a negative 7.9 The team is down 0-2 and he decides that now of all times is the appropriate moment to go to the O's gossip columnist and cry about being treated poorly???

It's understandable that he's frustrated as he was an elite player just a short while ago. But that doesn't excuse what he's done at all. Crying to Quick about personal ego crap in the playoffs is only selfish and pathetic. I really can't believe anyone is defending it let alone vehemently

STOMP
 
Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?

I'm not yelling at him to get off the court. That's not my decision. But, I do think whining to the media about his PT during the playoffs, when he's playing like total crap, is very poor form, very selfish and a huge unecessary distraction. If he has a problem with Nate, he should talk to Nate, not Jason Quick.

BNM
 
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https://twitter.com/#!/Channing_Frye
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BROY=Brandon roy my opinion is play him, I know Brandon just wants to win and would leave it out on the court just give Him a opportunity.
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He is a true professional and has sacrificed his body for team and has had the biggest impact on the winning traditions they have now.
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Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?

magnifier661 said:
Oh shit, everyone outside actually has compassion for Roy. Who said we have the best fan base?!?! We have the Best Fan Base for Players that are in the NOW. No fans of yesteryear. I may change my moniker to "What Have you done for me Lately PDX?"
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Come on Mags, deal with reality here and quit trying to make excuses for Roy, it's gettin old.
 
Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?

magnifier661 said:
Regardless, I am just a little saddened by the insensitivity of the Blazer fans on a player that did put his body, desire and will for this franchise.
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You act like Roy did it as a favor for the team. He put out that effort in order to excel as an individual. He would never have consented to play for free--nor should he have. But let's not twist this as Roy being a hero who sacrificed to give Oregon orphans a small bit of happiness. He joined the Blazers because he was forced to, as a draftee, and then negotiated the best deal he could when he had the chance. He was an excellent player, but he was doing it for his benefit, not for Portland's.

There's no insensitivity in recognizing that Roy doesn't have much basketball value now. Blazers fans enjoyed what he did contribute and the team rewarded him amply.
 
This kind of topic is the reason I'm not super upset about a looming lockout. A year off from Blazers related drama would probably do us all some good ... not necessarily to the good of the franchise and its chance of fielding a winning team, but for the rest of us.
 
Nikolokolus said:
This kind of topic is the reason I'm not super upset about a looming lockout. A year off from Blazers related drama would probably do us all some good ... not necessarily to the good of the franchise and its chance of fielding a winning team, but for the rest of us.
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I feel ya man. couldn't agree more.
 
Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?

magnifier661 said:
Oh shit, everyone outside actually has compassion for Roy. Who said we have the best fan base?!?! We have the Best Fan Base for Players that are in the NOW. No fans of yesteryear. I may change my moniker to "What Have you done for me Lately PDX?"
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Your a trip. Channing Frye doesn't know whats best for the Blazers. He's speaking up for a friend. Roy has hurt the team more than he's helped in these playoffs. This isn't YMCA ball where feelings should be put into consideration. Were trying to win a series here, Roy at his current play is not helping this team win. He can go to the media and pout if he wants, I'm sure its a harsh reality for him. I'm hoping this isn't causing any friction. We don't need it right now.
 
magnifier661 said:
Regardless, I am just a little saddened by the insensitivity of the Blazer fans on a player that did put his body, desire and will for this franchise. I wish he would just get traded, maybe some team would take the risk, so he can work back into his old self.
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injuries have no sensitivity, they just don't care. I've seen players better then Brandon have their abilities snatched away in their prime. It was sad then too and it will be sad when it happens to the next great young talent. But thats part of the deal both when you play and follow sports.

Lashing out at fans who don't chose to live in a fantasy world where A. any team would trade for Brandon or B. thinking hard work can overcome a lack of cartilage in his knees is just silly.

STOMP
 
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Minstrel said:
You act like Roy did it as a favor for the team. He put out that effort in order to excel as an individual. He would never have consented to play for free--nor should he have. But let's not twist this as Roy being a hero who sacrificed to give Oregon orphans a small bit of happiness. He joined the Blazers because he was forced to, as a draftee, and then negotiated the best deal he could when he had the chance. He was an excellent player, but he was doing it for his benefit, not for Portland's.

There's no insensitivity in recognizing that Roy doesn't have much basketball value now. Blazers fans enjoyed what he did contribute and the team rewarded him amply.
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He changed the entire "philosophy" in Portland. Instead of players ignoring and flipping off fans, we have a player that welcomed all fans. There was a great story and Sly was witness to this.

I live in L.A. and I bought floor tickets to the Blazers vs. Lakers in Portland. I purchased a ticket for Sly, so he could sit with us. Anyways, during the shoot around I had my son Christian with me. He is a very shy kid and didn't know how to ask for autographs. Anyways, Roy found out about Chris and called him out to center court where he was stretching. He talked to Chris for a few minutes telling him what he needs to do to be successful in basketball. He then asked Chris if he wanted him to sign the Jersey of Roy's Allstar uniform. Chris is now a huge Blazer fan; which used to be a Laker fan. Kobe didn't call him over, Sheed would never have done this. Zach was too busy tossing money at tits. Miles was busy getting fat and Bonzi was busy flipping off and spitting on fans.

So I have a deep love for him for what he did for this franchise. So many other players could have stepped up like Roy but didn't. That's what separated him from the other players. Oh by the way, Aldridge was right next to us and had the trainer make us move.
 
The moral to the story is Roy wants to help this club, even though he may not be able to. Instead of getting fat like Miles, or just getting the fat check and lay on his ass; he wants to earn his pay. That says a lot about him as a player and professional. Really what does he have to gain being on the floor. I think many don't understand, he really doesn't have to play and he will still get his. He doesn't want to be labeled as one that doesn't care because he truly does care.
 
Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?

magnifier661 said:
He changed the entire "philosophy" in Portland. Instead of players ignoring and flipping off fans, we have a player that welcomed all fans. There was a great story and Sly was witness to this.

I live in L.A. and I bought floor tickets to the Blazers vs. Lakers in Portland. I purchased a ticket for Sly, so he could sit with us. Anyways, during the shoot around I had my son Christian with me. He is a very shy kid and didn't know how to ask for autographs. Anyways, Roy found out about Chris and called him out to center court where he was stretching. He talked to Chris for a few minutes telling him what he needs to do to be successful in basketball. He then asked Chris if he wanted him to sign the Jersey of Roy's Allstar uniform. Chris is now a huge Blazer fan; which used to be a Laker fan. Kobe didn't call him over, Sheed would never have done this. Zach was too busy tossing money at tits. Miles was busy getting fat and Bonzi was busy flipping off and spitting on fans.

So I have a deep love for him for what he did for this franchise. So many other players could have stepped up like Roy but didn't. That's what separated him from the other players. Oh by the way, Aldridge was right next to us and had the trainer make us move.
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We get it, it's personal for you. But be that as it may Brandon hasn't been conducting himself like a good teammate for some time now. The fact that his physical abilities have diminished magnifies what was once "forgivable" and instead becomes fuel for fan angst. It's only normal for fans of the team to react the way they are.
 
Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?

magnifier661 said:
He changed the entire "philosophy" in Portland. Instead of players ignoring and flipping off fans, we have a player that welcomed all fans. There was a great story and Sly was witness to this.

I live in L.A. and I bought floor tickets to the Blazers vs. Lakers in Portland. I purchased a ticket for Sly, so he could sit with us. Anyways, during the shoot around I had my son Christian with me. He is a very shy kid and didn't know how to ask for autographs. Anyways, Roy found out about Chris and called him out to center court where he was stretching. He talked to Chris for a few minutes telling him what he needs to do to be successful in basketball. He then asked Chris if he wanted him to sign the Jersey of Roy's Allstar uniform. Chris is now a huge Blazer fan; which used to be a Laker fan. Kobe didn't call him over, Sheed would never have done this. Zach was too busy tossing money at tits. Miles was busy getting fat and Bonzi was busy flipping off and spitting on fans.

So I have a deep love for him for what he did for this franchise. So many other players could have stepped up like Roy but didn't. That's what separated him from the other players. Oh by the way, Aldridge was right next to us and had the trainer make us move.
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You think the fans that don't have this 'hope' for Roy have something personal against him?
 
Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?

magnifier661 said:
Did anyone care when Miller threw Nate under the bus? He did that last year. Vets that have a feel for their game and what they expect they can do, has a certain level of "ego" that transcends to their respect in the league. Timid players are always put in the back burner, while the more aggressive players become stars.
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Miller was praised by many of those who now are bashing Roy.
 
Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?

Nikolokolus said:
We get it, it's personal for you. But be that as it may Brandon hasn't been conducting himself like a good teammate for some time now. The fact that his physical abilities have diminished magnifies what was once "forgivable" and instead becomes fuel for fan angst. It's only normal for fans of the team to react the way they are.
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Absolutely. He didn't play the card right on this situation, but I am completely sensitive to his situation. In his mind, he loves Portland and the fans. He made a constant effort to prove to us fans that NBA players actually care about them. Then when times get tough, the fans he loved turned their back on him as quickly as they cheered him during his clutch performances. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and can think of Roy as some evil selfish player. I would take the heart of Roy over the heart of any other Blazer on this team. It's unfortunate that his body isn't as strong as his heart.
 
Miller made no effort to fit in last year at the start of the season. He did a lot of pouting.

Something I'll never forget.
 
Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?

magnifier661 said:
Absolutely. He didn't play the card right on this situation, but I am completely sensitive to his situation. In his mind, he loves Portland and the fans. He made a constant effort to prove to us fans that NBA players actually care about them. Then when times get tough, the fans he loved turned their back on him as quickly as they cheered him during his clutch performances. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and can think of Roy as some evil selfish player. I would take the heart of Roy over the heart of any other Blazer on this team. It's unfortunate that his body isn't as strong as his heart.
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I think Brandon enjoyed the attention more than he "loved" us fans. Like or not this is his business ... PR and gladhanding are part of that business.
 
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Boob-No-More said:
You're wrong. Miller and Nate got into a shouting match at practice that happened to be loud enough to be overheard by members of the media. Miller was addressing Nate directly, not speaking to anyone in the local media.

BNM
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I remember Miller complaining in the media about sitting behind BLANKY. That was long before the blow-up with Nate. There were threads about it on this board.
 
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Nikolokolus said:
I think Brandon enjoyed the attention more than he "loved" us fans. Like or not this is his business ... PR and gladhanding are part of that business.
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Well yeah, who wouldn't, except for maybe Miller? But many other Blazer stars didn't make this effort. In fact, many ignored fans, and Aldridge was one I saw first hand.
 
By the sounds of the conversation between Quick and Roy, did Roy know this was being recorded? Why did he take his voice down when he said Rudy and Patty? Quick was baiting him hard too...

Quick: "I just don't get it, just three minutes."

Brandon:"I don't even know what I could have did (Chuckles)"

Quick "I know!"
 
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On the radio, there was a suggestion to give Brandon a standing ovation for support when he enters game 3 at the RG. This would be a good gesture for us fans, IMO.
 
Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?

magnifier661 said:
Oh shit, everyone outside actually has compassion for Roy. Who said we have the best fan base?!?! We have the Best Fan Base for Players that are in the NOW. No fans of yesteryear. I may change my moniker to "What Have you done for me Lately PDX?"
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You seem like a good guy mags, but you should take some deep breaths and read what some of the voices of reason are saying in this thread.

As far as no fans of yesteryear....that's just way off base. I've posted with MANY of the folks here today 15+ years. I've been as big a homer as you are since 1975. Fans that post in forums for 15 years bleed red and black. There is no arguing that. I proudly believe that I am part of the best fan base in the league.

I feel for Brandon big time. It has to cut to the quick that his knees have betrayed him. I'm a huge fan and I'd love to see him come back to his former ability. But, short of divine intervention, he will not grow two new menisci. I've come to terms with that the old Brandon is gone. I'm still hoping that new Brandon can help the team. When he's not helping the team, he needs to sit down and suck it up for the good of the team.

Brandon was out of line in going to the press over his PT during the playoffs. I don't know why you would even try to defend that. If other stars do that, so WHAT? That doesn't make it right. If he's given it his all during his time with PDX, that doesn't mean that being a distraction during the playoffs is ok.

Here's hoping that there is no damage done to the team by this. Who knows what Nic, Rudy and Patty think about this.

Go Blazers
 
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RipCityInsider said:
On the radio, there was a suggestion to give Brandon a standing ovation for support when he enters game 3 at the RG. This would be a good gesture for us fans, IMO.
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Was listening to 1080 on the way home earlier and a fan said he was going to boo Roy whenever he touched the ball tomorrow.

Some "fan"
 
Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?

magnifier661 said:
He changed the entire "philosophy" in Portland. Instead of players ignoring and flipping off fans, we have a player that welcomed all fans. There was a great story and Sly was witness to this.

I live in L.A. and I bought floor tickets to the Blazers vs. Lakers in Portland. I purchased a ticket for Sly, so he could sit with us. Anyways, during the shoot around I had my son Christian with me. He is a very shy kid and didn't know how to ask for autographs. Anyways, Roy found out about Chris and called him out to center court where he was stretching. He talked to Chris for a few minutes telling him what he needs to do to be successful in basketball. He then asked Chris if he wanted him to sign the Jersey of Roy's Allstar uniform. Chris is now a huge Blazer fan; which used to be a Laker fan. Kobe didn't call him over, Sheed would never have done this. Zach was too busy tossing money at tits. Miles was busy getting fat and Bonzi was busy flipping off and spitting on fans.

So I have a deep love for him for what he did for this franchise. So many other players could have stepped up like Roy but didn't. That's what separated him from the other players. Oh by the way, Aldridge was right next to us and had the trainer make us move.
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Roy may or may be a nice guy (it's definitely a nice story) and I wish him no ill will. We're discussing him as a player, and part of the job description for athletes is to take criticisms of their play professionally. There's nothing insensitive about Blazers fans saying he isn't valuable to the team right now, nor that he should try not to let his personal frustrations distract others at an important moment for the team.
 
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RoyToy said:
Was listening to 1080 on the way home earlier and a fan said he was going to boo Roy whenever he touched the ball tomorrow.

Some "fan"
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Yeah, some people are jerks. There's not a whole lot more to draw from that.
 
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PapaG said:
I remember Miller complaining in the media about sitting behind BLANKY. That was long before the blow-up with Nate. There were threads about it on this board.
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“If I was told right out when I had my meetings that I would be a backup, then I wouldn’t have come here,” Miller told Yahoo! Sports this week.
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“I feel like I have to continue to prove myself,” Miller said. “I don’t think I’m respected as a player. I have no idea [why].
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“There are only so many point guards you can talk about and their accomplishments and stuff like that. I have a pretty good, solid resume, but I don’t think it’s respected. Head up, I think I’m just as good as any point guard in this league, defensively and offensively.”
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Wow almost similar to what is happening now.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=mc-millerblazers101009

I guess that all said I was dead wrong about Miller publicly complaining about playing time needs to eat some crow. :D
 
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