Roy Felt "Hurt" He Didn't Play More
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Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?
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I don't know what to think about that. I would generally love to cheer Brandon to show support for him as a player who is hurting, but I wouldn't want him to think I was cheering to support him for being a disruption during the playoffs.
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Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?
Just cheer him when he does well, and don't boo him if he's having an "off night". I don't expect the fans to just give him love for playing like shit. I expect the fans to have some compassion. Just choose not to hang him for being human.
Just cheer him when he does well, and don't boo him if he's having an "off night". I don't expect the fans to just give him love for playing like shit. I expect the fans to have some compassion. Just choose not to hang him for being human.
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Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?
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Shit, I didn't boo Wallace or Wells. Not likely I would boo Brandon.
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Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?
Who said it is a distraction? It doesn't need to be unless we make it one. It's obvious his spirits need to be brought up and the negative talk within the fanbase and media is getting to him.
Who said it is a distraction? It doesn't need to be unless we make it one. It's obvious his spirits need to be brought up and the negative talk within the fanbase and media is getting to him.
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Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?
Nic and Rudy both easily outplayed Brandon last night. If it's not a distraction to them for Roy to complain to the press about those two going in ahead of him, then they are truly great teammates.
I have a hard time believing that any of his teammates think what Brandon said was a positive for the team.
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I hope it's NOT a distraction for the team, but that ship sailed for the fans, judging from this 143 post thread (and counting.)
Nic and Rudy both easily outplayed Brandon last night. If it's not a distraction to them for Roy to complain to the press about those two going in ahead of him, then they are truly great teammates.
I have a hard time believing that any of his teammates think what Brandon said was a positive for the team.
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Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?
Correction it was Rudy and Mills. I mean he complained about coming in after them, not Nic. Obviously he understands Nic deserves his minutes.
Correction it was Rudy and Mills. I mean he complained about coming in after them, not Nic. Obviously he understands Nic deserves his minutes.
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Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?
Yep he deserves more burn. In fact, with the way Matthews been playing in this series, he deserves to start.
Yep he deserves more burn. In fact, with the way Matthews been playing in this series, he deserves to start.
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Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?
Perhaps so - but Roy is also being pretty insensitive. The best way to handle this would have been a 1-on-1 with Nate. The next best would have been to wait for the season to be over. He picked both the wrong time and the wrong forum.
Perhaps so - but Roy is also being pretty insensitive. The best way to handle this would have been a 1-on-1 with Nate. The next best would have been to wait for the season to be over. He picked both the wrong time and the wrong forum.
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Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?
I like you man! Great perspective! Repped!
I like you man! Great perspective! Repped!
Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?
Yeah, Talk about getting candy when you deserve a time out. I was someone who absolutely loved Roy, both as a player and for what he did and how he behaved off the court. But that Roy seems gone now. I will add that my wife listened to the audio and asked if he was being secrectky recordedby the way he was talking.if he did not know he was on the record... then Quick is a dick.
Yeah, Talk about getting candy when you deserve a time out. I was someone who absolutely loved Roy, both as a player and for what he did and how he behaved off the court. But that Roy seems gone now. I will add that my wife listened to the audio and asked if he was being secrectky recordedby the way he was talking.if he did not know he was on the record... then Quick is a dick.
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maybe you ought to look in the mirror? Two drunks swearing at/heckling our Blazers during a home game get flipped off by Bonzi and you blow that up to reflect the whole team's philosophy from that era and general distain for all fans. Is it not a human reaction to react to people who are cussing you out?
I can recall stories of acts of kindness towards strangers in Portland by him (helping out a lady with a flat tire at night on I-5) and many other players of note from each era for the last 34 years I've followed the team. Most every person has their good and bad moments and quite clearly with this latest selfish act by Roy, he is no exception. Trying to make him out to walk on water and painting anyone who doesn't support him pouring his pouty heart out to Jason Twit during the playoffs as insensitive bad fans is ridiculous.
The best players get to play in the playoffs and Roy is no longer one of those guys .
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You are 100% right, and that is why Miller got the same treatment when he went to the media too right?!?!?!
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Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?
Isn't this the exact same thing you told all of us when you quit being a mod?
Isn't this the exact same thing you told all of us when you quit being a mod?
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I think people had a bit more sympathy simply because he seemed to have a good case for his angst. He was clearly much better than Blake. Roy isn't good enough to merit more time, so complaining about it isn't reasonable.
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Which other PG merits more time though? I mean as Nate said "Roy will play his role" that roll is playing back-up PG. Mills played like shit. And by the way, I don't like him being point. There isn't a player on the bench that is better suited to back up Miller than Roy. Fernandez is the back-up SG.
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Re: Have you heard the audio of Roy's concerns?
I was responding to the 'who said what Roy did was a distraction' question. I was making a case that (apparently just) Rudy might view what Brandon said as a distraction.
If Rudy is annoyed, instead of understanding, that Brandon is complaining about how and when Rudy gets his minutes...that might be a distraction.
Bottom line is I don't know if it's a distraction to the team....but it would be overly optimistic to rule it out. For me, it's disturbing that Brandon was willing to take the risk.
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I was responding to the 'who said what Roy did was a distraction' question. I was making a case that (apparently just) Rudy might view what Brandon said as a distraction.
If Rudy is annoyed, instead of understanding, that Brandon is complaining about how and when Rudy gets his minutes...that might be a distraction.
Bottom line is I don't know if it's a distraction to the team....but it would be overly optimistic to rule it out. For me, it's disturbing that Brandon was willing to take the risk.
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People still got on Roy for his comments when he was still a top 10 or so player.
Miller and Roy going to the media is absolutely comparable. Roy, the franchise player, got killed for it. Miller, the newcomer who made basically the same comments, was "right".
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apples and oranges... how does this escape you?
The Miller article you are quoting is from the preseason. Roy is crying about his role in the middle of the playoffs. Miller was clearly superior to Blake. Roy is at the back of the rotation because they have many other superior wing players.
If this were a popularity contest, Roy would start ahead of anyone on the roster... but it's about winning games.
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The point is that Miller, when he could have been a team player as the new guy, instead chose to complain to Yahoo! Sports. You making excuses for him doesn't really make a difference.
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So how long do we have to reward Roy for once being a good player? Will he still be demanding to start when he's 50? And will some fans still be defending him?
I don't know anyone who is insensitive to how Roy must be feeling. I know a whole lot of people who think he has not been playing good basketball, that he is a detriment to winning more often than not when he is on the floor, and that his comments now, as in the past two years, are selfish.
Roy is not now nor has he ever been a 'leader.' Much like $amon, Roy seemingly is incapable of putting the team first in his comments to the media. Roy was once a very talented, and selfish, basketball player. Now he is a physically limited, and selfish, basketball player.
I feel badly for Brandon the person, but not badly enough that I want him negatively impacting the performance of my favorite team. If his feelings are hurt, maybe he can soak a few thousand hundred dollar bills in liniment and pay someone to wrap him up in them. I think he's been rewarded, and "appre$iated" enough.
Does anyone really think Brandon Roy or 90% of professional athletes really give a shit about the fans? Really? But I'm supposed to cry for him because his coach chose to respond to his poor play by reducing his minutes in a critical playoff game? Not gonna happen.
I don't know anyone who is insensitive to how Roy must be feeling. I know a whole lot of people who think he has not been playing good basketball, that he is a detriment to winning more often than not when he is on the floor, and that his comments now, as in the past two years, are selfish.
Roy is not now nor has he ever been a 'leader.' Much like $amon, Roy seemingly is incapable of putting the team first in his comments to the media. Roy was once a very talented, and selfish, basketball player. Now he is a physically limited, and selfish, basketball player.
I feel badly for Brandon the person, but not badly enough that I want him negatively impacting the performance of my favorite team. If his feelings are hurt, maybe he can soak a few thousand hundred dollar bills in liniment and pay someone to wrap him up in them. I think he's been rewarded, and "appre$iated" enough.
Does anyone really think Brandon Roy or 90% of professional athletes really give a shit about the fans? Really? But I'm supposed to cry for him because his coach chose to respond to his poor play by reducing his minutes in a critical playoff game? Not gonna happen.
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Miller was right. He was much better than Blake and shouldn't have been on the bench. When Roy went to the media, it was to essentially say that things should never change. People were less sure he was right about that.
So that's how they weren't comparable. Many people didn't think Roy had as good a point as Miller. If you did, then your mileage will differ.
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My jaw dropped when I read about this. It's just not the time to be saying things like that. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but I think the pressure is starting to harm team cohesion. I just noticed Wes was calling out Patty on twitter about focus. This team started winning and doing well when they solidified behind a common goal, now it seems like they may be going towards "every man for himself". The guys need to get back to having fun playing together, not treating these games like a series of funerals.
Saying he would have never came here if he thought he was going to be coming off the bench is a pretty bush league thing to say, especially to the media, and is exactly the kind of thing Roy would get killed for.
As far as Roy, he was right, and he did have a good point(at least as good as Miller).
The Blazers just won 54 games with their starting 5 and Blake is the style of player that is the best fit next to Roy since he spaces the floor. There's absolutely nothing false about what Roy said, but he got killed for it.
Roy, the franchise player, was treated unfairly for saying some stuff that was true and made a lot of sense. Miller otoh got away with it, which makes no sense to me.
If you kill Roy for his comments, you have to kill Miller for doing the same thing. Miller going to the media and saying that is bush league, imo. He vented his frustrations to the media just like Roy. Saying Miller was more right(which isn't even true) is a bad position to take. Miller still aired it out to the media and that's what Roy gets killed for.
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You Roy homers are really pathetic....
There is no comparison....
Who does Roy deserve to play over? What has he shown in the 1st 2 games of the playoffs to warrant playing more minutes or playing over Wesley Matthews\Nic Batum?
Don't give me this bs about Rudy Fernandez, he played 11 minutes last night...interestingly enough he was more prouductive and didn't whine like a little baby about it either......
Roy played almost the entire 4th quarter in Game 1, he was 1-7 and played piss poor defense.....he looked worse in Game 2...and his "answer" to that is "well I needed more minutes". Really? You mean like the minutes you got in Game 1? You know where you produced jack shit? The guy is a career 19ppg scorer and somehow woud have us all believe that he is unable to score unless he a) plays a ton of minutes, b) preferably starts & most importantly c) has the offense\ball run through him....even though he has shown VERY little to warrant ANY of those things occurring....
the guy is a certifiable mental case....he is still suffering from delusions of grandeur.
and need I remind you homers out there that unlike Roy, who clearly is NOT performing...Miller WAS performing and performing MUCH better than Blake....there was no debate on who was\is the better PG, nor should there have been a debate over who should have been starting....
So go ahead Roy homers, show us how Roy should deserve to start, how he deserves to have the offense run through him or how his play in game 1 or 2 clearly shows he needs more minutes.....
and BTW, Roy has been rewarded (handsomely I might add) for what he HAS done for this franchise...but all that stuff he HAS done doesn't mean shit to helping the team win NOW....and if you can't see the disconnect there (like our resident douchebag Canzano) then you are a fucking fool....
There is no comparison....
Who does Roy deserve to play over? What has he shown in the 1st 2 games of the playoffs to warrant playing more minutes or playing over Wesley Matthews\Nic Batum?
Don't give me this bs about Rudy Fernandez, he played 11 minutes last night...interestingly enough he was more prouductive and didn't whine like a little baby about it either......
Roy played almost the entire 4th quarter in Game 1, he was 1-7 and played piss poor defense.....he looked worse in Game 2...and his "answer" to that is "well I needed more minutes". Really? You mean like the minutes you got in Game 1? You know where you produced jack shit? The guy is a career 19ppg scorer and somehow woud have us all believe that he is unable to score unless he a) plays a ton of minutes, b) preferably starts & most importantly c) has the offense\ball run through him....even though he has shown VERY little to warrant ANY of those things occurring....
the guy is a certifiable mental case....he is still suffering from delusions of grandeur.
and need I remind you homers out there that unlike Roy, who clearly is NOT performing...Miller WAS performing and performing MUCH better than Blake....there was no debate on who was\is the better PG, nor should there have been a debate over who should have been starting....
So go ahead Roy homers, show us how Roy should deserve to start, how he deserves to have the offense run through him or how his play in game 1 or 2 clearly shows he needs more minutes.....
and BTW, Roy has been rewarded (handsomely I might add) for what he HAS done for this franchise...but all that stuff he HAS done doesn't mean shit to helping the team win NOW....and if you can't see the disconnect there (like our resident douchebag Canzano) then you are a fucking fool....
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Well, that settles it. Close the thread, mods!
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I get yelled at by DaRizzle for closing threads. I'll let sly do it...he doesn't give a $hit about any of you.
