Scoot Henderson thread

[JDC]

Quote from Quick's latest article on Scoot...

“I’m starting to make the right reads,” Henderson said. “It might be an easy kick pass, or me being able to get to the cup … or it could be just me getting the shot I want rather than taking the shot the defense wants me to take.”

He was so much in a take what the defense gives me mode...so it was nice to see this quote from him. We're starting to see him use his pace and strength to get to what he wants but hope to see it more and more.

He's got the physical ability to make the defense uncomfortable, and we just haven't seen much of that so far which has been the most disappointing thing for me.

 

[Predator]

Comparing the top 5 picks

Wemby - 19 ppg, 43.5% from the field, 27.8% from three, 10.9 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 1.3 steals, 3 blocks
Miller - 14.8 ppg, 43.5% from the field, 39.5% from three, 4.1 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 0.7 steals, 0.5 blocks
Scoot - 11.1 ppg, 37% from the field, 24% from three, 4.5 assists, 2.7 rebounds, 0.5 steals, 0.3 blocks
Amen - 5.4 ppg, 41.7% from the field, 16.7% from three, 3.2 rebounds, 1.4 assists, 0.4 steals, 0.2 blocks
Ausar - 10.3 ppg, 46.9% from the field, 15.4% from three, 8.1 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 0.9 steals, 1.2 blocks

So..... are people still freaking out about not taking a Thompson twin?

Lol, how disingenuous.

The Thompson twins were practically known for being "draft and stash" type players and solely drafted for their potential in multiple years.

This is about as disingenuous as the people saying Scoot is a bust after 20 games or whatever the fuck it's been.

Can't wait for someone to bring up the "BUT SCOOT IS YOUNGER" argument.

Yeah, he was in the G League and is closer to his ceiling than the Thompson twins because he received more development (and better coaching) than the Twins. Also better comp and, in theory, should be more used to the speed of the game.

Another huge element - Drafting one of the Thompson twins likely means Damian Lillard is still a Blazer. Whether that's because we trade the pick or because don't draft the heir apparent at his position.

 

[Natebishop3]

Lol, how disingenuous.

The Thompson twins were practically known for being "draft and stash" type players and solely drafted for their potential in multiple years.

This is about as disingenuous as the people saying Scoot is a bust after 20 games or whatever the fuck it's been.

Can't wait for someone to bring up the "BUT SCOOT IS YOUNGER" argument.

Yeah, he was in the G League and is closer to his ceiling than the Thompson twins because he received more development (and better coaching) than the Twins. Also better comp and, in theory, should be more used to the speed of the game.

Another huge element - Drafting one of the Thompson twins likely means Damian Lillard is still a Blazer. Whether that's because we trade the pick or because don't draft the heir apparent at his position.

Oh please... want me to go dig up all the comments about how we should have taken Amen or Ausar when Ausar started out strong? Now they're a draft and stash? And yes.... Scoot is a year younger.

 

[Predator]

Quote from Quick's latest article on Scoot...

“I’m starting to make the right reads,” Henderson said. “It might be an easy kick pass, or me being able to get to the cup … or it could be just me getting the shot I want rather than taking the shot the defense wants me to take.”

He was so much in a take what the defense gives me mode...so it was nice to see this quote from him. We're starting to see him use his pace and strength to get to what he wants but hope to see it more and more.

He's got the physical ability to make the defense uncomfortable, and we just haven't seen much of that so far which has been the most disappointing thing for me.

That's really encouraging to hear. He really needs to apply pressure to defenses rather than settling for what they want to give him. If he stops launching 3's, that would be great. Play like Rondo. Refuse to take the 3 and get down hill and create for others if that's the best option.

 

[blazerkor]

Quote from Quick's latest article on Scoot...

“I’m starting to make the right reads,” Henderson said. “It might be an easy kick pass, or me being able to get to the cup … or it could be just me getting the shot I want rather than taking the shot the defense wants me to take.”

He was so much in a take what the defense gives me mode...so it was nice to see this quote from him. We're starting to see him use his pace and strength to get to what he wants but hope to see it more and more.

He's got the physical ability to make the defense uncomfortable, and we just haven't seen much of that so far which has been the most disappointing thing for me.

Yeah the video that @Natebishop3 posted pointed out Scoot's lack of blowbys and insinuated it had something to do with Scoot lacking the explosiveness that every scout thought he had. Obviously the guy that made that video has been looking at stats instead of watching the games. The only reason Scoot isn't blowing by everybody is because he's not using pace or a hesi. The guy is having trouble playing with nuance he's either just north south full speed ahead or passive. He's getting more and more wrinkles in his game every time he steps on the court.

You said something about him making defenses uncomfortable and I think the only thing standing in the way of him doing that is him feeling comfortable.

 

[Predator]

Oh please... want me to go dig up all the comments about how we should have taken Amen or Ausar when Ausar started out strong? Now they're a draft and stash? And yes.... Scoot is a year younger.

I've been pretty consistent that those guys are developmental players that aren't going to impact winning immediately. Some people may have changed their opinion after a hot start, but that's just as premature as calling Scoot a bust. Why don't you go through the pre-draft thread and point out how many people thought the Twins would be "win now" pieces? LOL

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Who said he wasn’t athletic?

I don't think anyone specifically has said he isn't athletic, but many are questioning the reports of just how athletic.

to be clear, I am not one of them.

 

[blazerkor]

Lol, how disingenuous.

The Thompson twins were practically known for being "draft and stash" type players and solely drafted for their potential in multiple years.

This is about as disingenuous as the people saying Scoot is a bust after 20 games or whatever the fuck it's been.

Can't wait for someone to bring up the "BUT SCOOT IS YOUNGER" argument.

Yeah, he was in the G League and is closer to his ceiling than the Thompson twins because he received more development (and better coaching) than the Twins. Also better comp and, in theory, should be more used to the speed of the game.

Another huge element - Drafting one of the Thompson twins likely means Damian Lillard is still a Blazer. Whether that's because we trade the pick or because don't draft the heir apparent at his position.

The Thompson twins played almost triple the games that Scoot played on Ignite but did so with Over Time Elite... I doubt the competition level is that much lower or that the development is that much better. Name me a guy that has come off of the Ignite and been ready for the NBA?

So there is no reason to think Scoot is closer to his ceiling. I think one thing that really screwed up a lot of Blazers fans' expectations for Scoot was Cronin disingenuously repeating that Scoot was ready to help Dame win day one. I don't think Joe believed that or thought that Dame would, he was just not trying to be seen as the guy that forced Dame out of town and he was successful but I think our front office knew that Scoot was very very far from a finished product.

The fun thing about all of this is we'll all see soon enough. I think anyone who has watched the second half of the last few games and is still trying to unequivocally say that Scoot is a bust needs to see an optometrist.

 

[Predator]

The Thompson twins played almost triple the games that Scoot played on Ignite but did so with Over Time Elite... I doubt the competition level is that much lower or that the development is that much better. Name me a guy that has come off of the Ignite and been ready for the NBA?

So there is no reason to think Scoot is closer to his ceiling. I think one thing that really screwed up a lot of Blazers fans' expectations for Scoot was Cronin disingenuously repeating that Scoot was ready to help Dame win day one. I don't think Joe believed that or thought that Dame would, he was just not trying to be seen as the guy that forced Dame out of town and he was successful but I think our front office knew that Scoot was very very far from a finished product.

The fun thing about all of this is we'll all see soon enough. I think anyone who has watched the second half of the last few games and is still trying to unequivocally say that Scoot is a bust needs to see an optometrist.

Go back through the pre-draft thread and tell me that with a straight face. The were plenty of people questioning OTE vs. G League. Many even stated Scoot would be NBA-ready NOW because of it. The G League has former college stars and former NBA players. It's undoubtedly a higher quality of competition. G League Ignite is also a team that is built to "develop" potential NBA prospects. I would wager they have more resources than OTE. And as I said before, the level of competition is undoubtedly superior.

In theory, he should be closer to his ceiling than someone playing for OTE. If not, the G League Ignite has SERIOUS issues. As in, what the fuck is the point? And whoever is funding them should cease the program immediately.

As for the rest, you may be right. The Blazer brass certainly was acting as if Scoot was a day 1 contributor saying things like "he isn't a normal 19 year old". Personally, I think they bought into that BS.

I'm also not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just saying that comparing Scoot to the Thompson twins, whom pre-draft almost everyone was saying they were a project and Scoot wasn't is disingenuous. If pre-draft the narrative was the same, that they ALL would need multiple years of development then it would be a fair comparison.

You are essentially comparing Scoot to guys that were consensus tier below him. The only "fair" comparison is Scoot, Wemby and Miller.

 

[Phatguysrule]

The Thompson twins played almost triple the games that Scoot played on Ignite but did so with Over Time Elite... I doubt the competition level is that much lower or that the development is that much better. Name me a guy that has come off of the Ignite and been ready for the NBA?

So there is no reason to think Scoot is closer to his ceiling. I think one thing that really screwed up a lot of Blazers fans' expectations for Scoot was Cronin disingenuously repeating that Scoot was ready to help Dame win day one. I don't think Joe believed that or thought that Dame would, he was just not trying to be seen as the guy that forced Dame out of town and he was successful but I think our front office knew that Scoot was very very far from a finished product.

The fun thing about all of this is we'll all see soon enough. I think anyone who has watched the second half of the last few games and is still trying to unequivocally say that Scoot is a bust needs to see an optometrist.

If Joe said anything other than what he said we'd have lost leverage in any move we wanted to make to get Dame help.

 

[blazerkor]

If Joe said anything other than what he said we'd have lost leverage in any move we wanted to make to get Dame help.

Yeah, I think it's OK for people to buy that Joe was trying to get Dame help but I don't buy it for a second. I don't think he tried to trade Scoot, I have no idea when he decided to rebuild but I think it was decided before the draft. People that point towards Jerami's signing probably don't have much longer to do so because when we get a good return for Jerami by the trade deadline it will be obvious that we re-signed him not to keep Dame but to retain his value.

 

[blazerfan11]

Go back through the pre-draft thread and tell me that with a straight face. The were plenty of people questioning OTE vs. G League. Many even stated Scoot would be NBA-ready NOW because of it. The G League has former college stars and former NBA players. It's undoubtedly a higher quality of competition. G League Ignite is also a team that is built to "develop" potential NBA prospects. I would wager they have more resources than OTE. And as I said before, the level of competition is undoubtedly superior.

In theory, he should be closer to his ceiling than someone playing for OTE. If not, the G League Ignite has SERIOUS issues. As in, what the fuck is the point? And whoever is funding them should cease the program immediately.

As for the rest, you may be right. The Blazer brass certainly was acting as if Scoot was a day 1 contributor saying things like "he isn't a normal 19 year old". Personally, I think they bought into that BS.

I'm also not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just saying that comparing Scoot to the Thompson twins, whom pre-draft almost everyone was saying they were a project and Scoot wasn't is disingenuous. If pre-draft the narrative was the same, that they ALL would need multiple years of development then it would be a fair comparison.

You are essentially comparing Scoot to guys that were consensus tier below him. The only "fair" comparison is Scoot, Wemby and Miller.

For comparing what was available to the Trail Blazers, it's just the opposite. The only comparisons are players the Blazers could have drafted.

They could not have drafted Wemby and Miller.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Yeah, I think it's OK for people to buy that Joe was trying to get Dame help but I don't buy it for a second. I don't think he tried to trade Scoot, I have no idea when he decided to rebuild but I think it was decided before the draft. People that point towards Jerami's signing probably don't have much longer to do so because when we get a good return for Jerami by the trade deadline it will be obvious that we re-signed him not to keep Dame but to retain his value.

I think Joe still wanted to keep Dame. But I think he knew Dame was gone unless he hit a home run.

And a home run was going to be near impossible with the Dame uncertainty.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

The Thompson twins played almost triple the games that Scoot played on Ignite but did so with Over Time Elite... I doubt the competition level is that much lower or that the development is that much better. Name me a guy that has come off of the Ignite and been ready for the NBA?

So there is no reason to think Scoot is closer to his ceiling. I think one thing that really screwed up a lot of Blazers fans' expectations for Scoot was Cronin disingenuously repeating that Scoot was ready to help Dame win day one. I don't think Joe believed that or thought that Dame would, he was just not trying to be seen as the guy that forced Dame out of town and he was successful but I think our front office knew that Scoot was very very far from a finished product.

The fun thing about all of this is we'll all see soon enough. I think anyone who has watched the second half of the last few games and is still trying to unequivocally say that Scoot is a bust needs to see an optometrist.

I recall it being pretty much a consensus that it was a three person draft and everyone else was a tier below. I also recall the narrative that if it weren't for Wemby, Scoot would possibly be a number 1. Scoot was touted as ready to go. I recall @illmatic99 posting fairly thoroughly on this topic, explaining how ignite should be regarded as a higher caliber of prospective players than the league the twins came from, which weren't much different than highschoolers? I don't recall the thread, so it would likely be hard to dig up.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I think Joe still wanted to keep Dame. But I think he knew Dame was gone unless he hit a home run.

And a home run was going to be near impossible with the Dame uncertainty.

And the way the trade demand went down, if his goal was to trade Scoot shortly after the draft.

 

[BankTeller]

Comparing the top 5 picks

Wemby - 19 ppg, 43.5% from the field, 27.8% from three, 10.9 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 1.3 steals, 3 blocks
Miller - 14.8 ppg, 43.5% from the field, 39.5% from three, 4.1 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 0.7 steals, 0.5 blocks
Scoot - 11.1 ppg, 37% from the field, 24% from three, 4.5 assists, 2.7 rebounds, 0.5 steals, 0.3 blocks
Amen - 5.4 ppg, 41.7% from the field, 16.7% from three, 3.2 rebounds, 1.4 assists, 0.4 steals, 0.2 blocks
Ausar - 10.3 ppg, 46.9% from the field, 15.4% from three, 8.1 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 0.9 steals, 1.2 blocks

So..... are people still freaking out about not taking a Thompson twin?

I saw this posted, wanted to reply, but I was out. I skimmed through some of the replies to this but they’re long asf and I’m not trying to get worked up over anything lol.

This post with stats disregard any kind of context. We can also do it like this, since it was a three person draft…

Wemby - 19 ppg, 43.5% from the field, 27.8% from three, 10.9 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 1.3 steals, 3 blocks
Miller - 14.8 ppg, 43.5% from the field, 39.5% from three, 4.1 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 0.7 steals, 0.5 blocks
Scoot - 11.1 ppg, 37% from the field, 24% from three, 4.5 assists, 2.7 rebounds, 0.5 steals, 0.3 blocks

So..... are people still freaking out about taking Scoot? The post would’ve been just as shoddy, but it would’ve made more sense.

 

[BankTeller]

Another huge element - Drafting one of the Thompson twins likely means Damian Lillard is still a Blazer. Whether that's because we trade the pick or because don't draft the heir apparent at his position.

I say this as a huge supporter or the twins, neither were going to get Dame to stay lol. Dame wanted that pick traded for a win-now player. You could argue that maybe Dame would’ve stayed had the pick been Brandon Miller, but that wasn’t possible anyway.

Dame was gone, pretty much regardless of who was going to be picked.

 

[Natebishop3]

I've been pretty consistent that those guys are developmental players that aren't going to impact winning immediately. Some people may have changed their opinion after a hot start, but that's just as premature as calling Scoot a bust. Why don't you go through the pre-draft thread and point out how many people thought the Twins would be "win now" pieces? LOL

Then I'm not talking to you, right?

 

[Natebishop3]

You are essentially comparing Scoot to guys that were consensus tier below him. The only "fair" comparison is Scoot, Wemby and Miller.

Nobody was putting Scoot on the same tier as Wemby. Nobody. So if he's a tier above the Thompsons, he was a tier below Wemby.

So then it's just Miller and Scoot on the same tier? And if that's the case, while Miller has looked better than Scoot, I still think he's just another wing. He's doing what everyone thought he would do. He can shoot it. That's great. He wasn't there for us. The Thompson twins were. So why wouldn't we compare Scoot as a project to the twins?

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I saw this posted, wanted to reply, but I was out. I skimmed through some of the replies to this but they’re long asf and I’m not trying to get worked up over anything lol.

This post with stats disregard any kind of context. We can also do it like this, since it was a three person draft…

Wemby - 19 ppg, 43.5% from the field, 27.8% from three, 10.9 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 1.3 steals, 3 blocks
Miller - 14.8 ppg, 43.5% from the field, 39.5% from three, 4.1 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 0.7 steals, 0.5 blocks
Scoot - 11.1 ppg, 37% from the field, 24% from three, 4.5 assists, 2.7 rebounds, 0.5 steals, 0.3 blocks

So..... are people still freaking out about taking Scoot? The post would’ve been just as shoddy, but it would’ve made more sense.

I think you missed the question, which validates including the twins?

Comparing the top 5 picks

Wemby - 19 ppg, 43.5% from the field, 27.8% from three, 10.9 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 1.3 steals, 3 blocks
Miller - 14.8 ppg, 43.5% from the field, 39.5% from three, 4.1 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 0.7 steals, 0.5 blocks
Scoot - 11.1 ppg, 37% from the field, 24% from three, 4.5 assists, 2.7 rebounds, 0.5 steals, 0.3 blocks
Amen - 5.4 ppg, 41.7% from the field, 16.7% from three, 3.2 rebounds, 1.4 assists, 0.4 steals, 0.2 blocks
Ausar - 10.3 ppg, 46.9% from the field, 15.4% from three, 8.1 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 0.9 steals, 1.2 blocks

So..... are people still freaking out about not taking a Thompson twin?

 

[Cugel]

Had Dame stayed and Joe drafted Wemby, POR would still not be a contender. Dame has a better chance for a ring in MIL than if POR had Wemby.

 

[BankTeller]

I think you missed the question, which validates including the twins?

I didn’t miss the question. I got what he was trying to say. I wasn’t in the group that was ‘freaking out’ about not picking a twin. I’m just assuming he meant people who supported drafting Amen in general, but even then, I’m not sure why you can’t support Scoot and still think the twins will be good.

I was just pointing out the using stats without pointing out that Amen has been even more injured as Scoot and stuff like that and then asking that question is a little shoddy. Y’know?

Was the post suppose to make people take sides? I just don’t get it. Yeah, I’d still love Amen on this team, Ant and Shae’s shooting with his playmaking would be awesome. I’m also happy Scoot’s playing better.

 

[BankTeller]

So why wouldn't we compare Scoot as a project to the twins?

Wait, seriously?

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I didn’t miss the question. I got what he was trying to say. I wasn’t in the group that was ‘freaking out’ about not picking a twin. I’m just assuming he meant people who supported drafting Amen in general, but even then, I’m not sure why you can’t support Scoot and still think the twins will be good.

I was just pointing out the using stats without pointing out that Amen has been even more injured as Scoot and stuff like that and then asking that question is a little shoddy. Y’know?

Was the post suppose to make people take sides? I just don’t get it. Yeah, I’d still love Amen on this team, Ant and Shae’s shooting with his playmaking would be awesome. I’m also happy Scoot’s playing better.

Ah gotcha. Fair enough.

Also. Isn't every post here meant to sway people into taking sides?

 

[Natebishop3]

Wait, seriously?

Did you think Scoot would be an all star in his rookie season? He’s 19. He’s a year younger than the twins. The hype was a little premature about him.

 

[BankTeller]

Did you think Scoot would be an all star in his rookie season? He’s 19. He’s a year younger than the twins. The hype was a little premature about him.

That had nothing to do with your original statement. Yes, the hype was premature. No, I didn’t think he was going to be a star. Age doesn’t have anything to do with it. It’s not a 3-4 age gap, they’re either in the same HS class or in back-to-back classes.

“So why wouldn't we compare Scoot as a project to the twins?”

The twins were seen as projects and Scoot was not. I’m really not gonna waste energy arguing that with anyone. The fact is, if Scoot was a project, people would not be discrediting him as a prospect this early.

Anyways, I like Scoot.

 

[Natebishop3]

That had nothing to do with your original statement. Yes, the hype was premature. No, I didn’t think he was going to be a star. Age doesn’t have anything to do with it. It’s not a 3-4 age gap, they’re either in the same HS class or in back-to-back classes.

“So why wouldn't we compare Scoot as a project to the twins?”

The twins were seen as projects and Scoot was not. I’m really not gonna waste energy arguing that with anyone. The fact is, if Scoot was a project, people would not be discrediting him as a prospect this early.

Anyways, I like Scoot.

Depends on how you define project because I don't think anyone would have called them a project in the same way that Rayan Rupert is a project.

I think people projected that they weren't ready to start yet, and while Scoot struggled in his first 10 or so games, he has done much better lately. I think he could easily move back into the starting lineup. He just happens to be playing behind other guards who have more experience and are also very talented.

 

[Predator]

I say this as a huge supporter or the twins, neither were going to get Dame to stay lol. Dame wanted that pick traded for a win-now player. You could argue that maybe Dame would’ve stayed had the pick been Brandon Miller, but that wasn’t possible anyway.

Dame was gone, pretty much regardless of who was going to be picked.

I would say the likelihood of us trading the pick would’ve increased if we drafted one of the twins.

I would also say Dame would’ve been more likely to stay. He did, after all, want to stay in PDX when it was clear he wasn’t gonna be traded to Miami. Cronin essentially said fuck you because we had Scoot. If we didn’t have Scoot… He probably doesn’t say fuck you.

 

[Predator]

Nobody was putting Scoot on the same tier as Wemby. Nobody. So if he's a tier above the Thompsons, he was a tier below Wemby.

So then it's just Miller and Scoot on the same tier? And if that's the case, while Miller has looked better than Scoot, I still think he's just another wing. He's doing what everyone thought he would do. He can shoot it. That's great. He wasn't there for us. The Thompson twins were. So why wouldn't we compare Scoot as a project to the twins?

Because Scoot wasn’t considered a project.

As far as “tiers”, I meant Scoot, Miller and Wemby were the 3 who were considered ready to impact winning NOW. The twins were not seen like that.

 

[blazerfan11]

Because Scoot wasn’t considered a project.

As far as “tiers”, I meant Scoot, Miller and Wemby were the 3 who were considered ready to impact winning NOW. The twins were not seen like that.

None of them are impacting winning now.