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MickZagger said:
We better have shooting around him though. Because in today’s NBA if you’re not any kind of threat of a jump shot it hampers you much harder. Unless you’re doing all the other stuff, which he’s not really
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He has to do all of that other stuff if he's going to be what he was projected to be and be able to hit an open set three point shot. I think even though he's not doing "all the other stuff" he has all of those tools to do them today and just needs to wrap his head around what's going on around him and how he fits in. I don't think he needs to be able to shoot the pull up three off the dribble and I wish our coaches would tell him that for now that shot is absolutely not OK for him to take. If he has so much room that he can stop the dribble, set himself and then take the shot that's cool, otherwise drive or pass the damn ball for now.

Scoot has a lot of great things going for him. The game will slow down for him and he'll stay incredibly fast and strong. Maybe things he doesn't have right now will develop but I think he'll be really good if not great just getting a lot more reps and a lot more time with competent (not even great) coaching.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
I think Scoot will be fine. He'll at least be an above average player.

Right now, he's a complete mess on Defense. He gets stranded in no-mans land and misses a lot of rotations. He just doesn't know where to be. That will come in time...

It really bugs me that he carries the ball almost every single time he dribbles. The refs don't call it, so I guess it's fine for him to do it.

I do see glimpses of his all-star potential. Don't know if he'll make it to that level (depends largely on his shooting), but it's there
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I’m sticking out there with you hoping he plays better eventually. Yes, he looks like he carries the ball every time. I don’t ever remember seeing it in his GL clips though. I’m not going to lie, I do have this worry about Scoot’s dribbling because it’s kind of like Fultz’s shooting. Like…how did Fultz suddenly not know how to shoot?

He has too much of a superstar personality and demeanor to not become one imo. Hope I’m not wrong.
 
BankTeller said:
I’m sticking out there with you hoping he plays better eventually. Yes, he looks like he carries the ball every time. I don’t ever remember seeing it in his GL clips though. I’m not going to lie, I do have this worry about Scoot’s dribbling because it’s kind of like Fultz’s shooting. Like…how did Fultz suddenly not know how to shoot?

He has too much of a superstar personality and demeanor to not become one imo. Hope I’m not wrong.
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Skills make the player a superstar not their personality. Anyone not worried about scoot is being disingenuous imo. His shot is straight broken, he can't dribble it's looks like he's going to throw the ball away the second he gets it. He can't change pase at all. His finishing at the rim is painful to watch.

I'm still hoping he turns out to be good but there is definitely stuff to be worried about.

He has a LONG way to go to be a positive asset to this team.
 
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My thing with Scoot: He has to learn how to be effective when he's not going 100%. He doesn't know how to effectively change space and get to his spots under control. Everything is "sprint past the defense then try to rush up a shot". He has to become more creative with his pace, finishing and footwork.
 
FlashWad said:
Skills make the player a


Skills make the player a superstar not their personality. Anyone not worried about scoot is being disingenuous imo. His shot is straight broken, he can't dribble it's looks like he's going to throw the ball away the second he gets it. He can't change pase at all. His finishing at the rim is painful to watch.

I'm still hoping he turns out to be good but there is definitely stuff to be worried about.

He has a LONG way to go to be a positive asset to this team.
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All fine and dandy, that’s why I said “in my opinion”.

I feel like I always play a game with myself where I look at a prospect and project to see if I see a star. Obviously, there has to be talent for personality/demeanor to matter. But Scoot has that talent to me, so I didn’t feel the need to preface anything I said.

He’s going to be someone who can really dictate pace when he puts it all together. I’ll need a full offseason of Scoot before I begin to actually worry. If he’s this same player after one offseason, I’ll just accept it was a blunder by Schmitz.
 
spending two years in the "g league" was a major red flag, his camp knew what they were doing

in the "g league" you will see the worst possible bball and pretty much anyone can look like a player there, but in the college he wouldve been exposed so badly

hoping for the best, but he literally couldnt be any worse (so he either stays this bad or he improves and hopefully improve a lot)
 
Everyone keeps saying "he's only 19", but the Blazers have drafted a few high schoolers. Telfair, Outlaw, Webster, and O'Neal. Only 1 of those 4 took a leap a few years into their career, the other 3 didn't really improve substantially and didn't last long in the league. Most of the time the "but he's young" excuse doesn't pan out in the end.
 
Yeah, I'm not closing the book on Scoot, but indicators are not good.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Well, when is the last time we were in this situation? It’s been a while. Lol.
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True. But there have been times in recent memory, where fans were quick to give up on players (myself included) because we have 0 patience.
 
Only reason why I’m not super mad at the blazers picking this dude is everybody was wrong on him. Every major scout damn near called this guy some generational point guard. That’s definitely not the case here.. his ceiling is solid starter if that. Which isn’t to bad but the problem with scoot is what was advertised.

But hey hopefully we can trade him in the future while his stock is high to compliment Ant and Sharpe more
 
julius said:
True. But there have been times in recent memory, where fans were quick to give up on players (myself included) because we have 0 patience.
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I think it’s tough because that position has been All NBA good for so long. People forget what a young and developing point guard looks like.

I don’t think the fans have been ready for true rebuilding. I don’t think they have been ready to see what developing talent looks like. We have been good but not great for so long.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I’m ashamed of how quickly some of this fanbase has given up on this kid. It’s embarrassing.
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I don’t think blind faith is a good stance to take on any aspect in life. I’m not giving up on him quite yet but every aspect of his game looks horrid, it’s actually really concerning.. why didn’t he work on his broken shot in his two years being a pro ect.. shouldn’t the gleauge coaches told him he won’t be bow to just blow by everyone in the nba? either you have the talent and ability or not. There are busts all the time in the nba and the signs are often seen very early.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I’m ashamed of how quickly some of this fanbase has given up on this kid. It’s embarrassing.
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I wouldn't say embarrassing. I would call it realistic. Scoot gives me huge Mudiay or DSJ vibes
 
Blazinaway said:
If he was too good we'd win more games this yr than I'd like, so him taking yr or two for Scoot is fine, maybe get a top 5 pick this yr and with the GS pick and see what happens.
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Then you should also be OK with him taking a three point shot whenever he is open. right? :)
 
His shot is so bad I can barely believe my eyes. There's no consistency to his form, his footwork getting set, none of it. Most of the time his momentum is taking him anywhere but straight up, and he just launches the ball like he's on the playground. He took a shot last night where he rushed up to the three point line and launched up a three literally off one foot while his momentum in the air took him forward a good three feet if not more. Surprisingly, he missed. Scoot needs to SLOW THE FUCK DOWN and pick his spots to use his speed. To me he looks like a strong, fast player with no skills other than passing. Who the hell has been "teaching/training" this guy to play basketball? Billups and his staff need to break this guy and rebuild his game from the bottom up.
 
beast crnjo said:
Everyone keeps saying "he's only 19", but the Blazers have drafted a few high schoolers. Telfair, Outlaw, Webster, and O'Neal. Only 1 of those 4 took a leap a few years into their career, the other 3 didn't really improve substantially and didn't last long in the league. Most of the time the "but he's young" excuse doesn't pan out in the end.
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That's a ridiculous cherry picked group, Blazers only who we drafted young. I'm in the "a bit concerned about Scoot" camp, but that is a really odd group to single out. I think more useful is looking at how many players improved dramatically in their 3rd-4th seasons regardless of age or team. You will find that lots of players had breakouts further down the line. Look at SGA and Haliburton. They both showed flashes their rookie seasons for sure but look at where they are now compared to their rookie seasons and its night and day. I'm of course cherry picking amazing outcomes to counter your argument. I'm just saying taking only blazers who were highschool players is a really weird metric to judge his future by. The "he's young" excuse work with lots and lots and lots of players who break out further in their careers. Some even have atrocious early seasons only to become Superstars later when they put it all together.
 
Idog1976 said:
That's a ridiculous cherry picked group, Blazers only who we drafted young. I'm in the "a bit concerned about Scoot" camp, but that is a really odd group to single out. I think more useful is looking at how many players improved dramatically in their 3rd-4th seasons regardless of age or team. You will find that lots of players had breakouts further down the line. Look at SGA and Haliburton. They both showed flashes their rookie seasons for sure but look at where they are now compared to their rookie seasons and its night and day. I'm of course cherry picking amazing outcomes to counter your argument. I'm just saying taking only blazers who were highschool players is a really weird metric to judge his future by. The "he's young" excuse work with lots and lots and lots of players who break out further in their careers. Some even have atrocious early seasons only to become Superstars later when they put it all together.
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Cherry picked? Those are all the players the players have drafted out of high school, unless I'm forgetting someone.

But sure, let's look at every player ever drafted out of high school. Find me how many started off playing as bad as Scoot, that went on make at least one all star game.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_high_school_draftees
 
beast crnjo said:
Cherry picked? Those are all the players the players have drafted out of high school, unless I'm forgetting someone.

But sure, let's look at every player ever drafted out of high school. Find me how many started off playing as bad as Scoot, that went on make at least one all star game.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_high_school_draftees
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Blazers was the issue, not high school draftees. Although, even that is too narrow IMO. 19 year-old draftees might be more apt as otherwise you're looking at 2005 and before, a very different era.
 
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Idog1976 said:
Blazers was the issue, not high school draftees. Although, even that is too narrow IMO. 19 year-old draftees might be more apt as otherwise you're looking at 2005 and before, a very different era.
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It should be easier to find someone who had a big turn around amongst the players that came into the league at the youngest ages. And you couldn't find an example among those 41. Ok, then how many examples can you give me of any rookie who played as bad as Scoot their rookie year and went on to make an all star game? I bet there are a few, but not more than 5, in NBA history, vs thousands that didn't.

Point being: "losing hope in Scoot" isn't a character flaw, it's just understanding probability. If Scoot goes onto become an all-star level player, it will be one of the most impressive development journies in NBA history.
 
It's kind of weird to me how little anyone discusses him starting to wear glasses. I mean, OF COURSE he can't shoot from distance if he can't see the fuckin' hoop.

I had laser surgery on my eyes when I was 24. I'd never worn glasses, and was mostly blind in one eye. Before then I was a pretty mediocre shot with a shotgun, despite having shot since I was literally 11. Within a few years I became one of the better shots anywhere I went. I could just judge distances so much better. I had depth perception.

I rapidly improved because I'd spent a dozen years working really hard at this craft to go from completely horrible (I sucked soooo badly at age 11--I literally hit about 5% of what I aimed at in the first three years) to mediocre at 24. It suddenly seemed so much easier for me, and I wanted to do shoot more and more.

I'm not saying Scoot will suddenly become a deadeye, but having a guard suddenly able to see may have an impact similar to growing several inches over a year. The results won't come all at once, but you look back a few years later and it's just mind blowing how much progress has been made.
 
mook said:
It's kind of weird to me how little anyone discusses him starting to wear glasses. I mean, OF COURSE he can't shoot from distance if he can't see the fuckin' hoop.

I had laser surgery on my eyes when I was 24. I'd never worn glasses, and was mostly blind in one eye. Before then I was a pretty mediocre shot with a shotgun, despite having shot since I was literally 11. Within a few years I became one of the better shots anywhere I went. I could just judge distances so much better. I had depth perception.

I rapidly improved because I'd spent a dozen years working really hard at this craft to go from completely horrible (I sucked soooo badly at age 11--I literally hit about 5% of what I aimed at in the first three years) to mediocre at 24. It suddenly seemed so much easier for me, and I wanted to do shoot more and more.

I'm not saying Scoot will suddenly become a deadeye, but having a guard suddenly able to see may have an impact similar to growing several inches over a year. The results won't come all at once, but you look back a few years later and it's just mind blowing how much progress has been made.
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So, seriously, why was he no.2 if he's blind?
 
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