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I will be much more pissed at the Blazers if they are doing this in any way whatsoever to help make it easier, etc to fire Neil than whatever Neil did. Just let the man go and move on. Such a JV operation going on nowadays. Sell the team Jody.
 
Phatguysrule said:
How about this. Dame demanded help over the summer.

Now he's pissed. He knows the situation and has given the team a mandate to get rid of Olshey.

Dame is firing Olshey.
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Dame is not the kinda guy to go about this clandestine way to get Olshey fired. If he wanted Neil gone, he woulda told Jody straight up and it would be done without much noise (like the situation in Minny where they got Rosas out in a single afternoon). All this investigation does is shed unnecessary light on a potentially bad situation. Still not sure I get the motive. Perhaps they didn't anticipate it getting out in public.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Who is defending Olshey keeping his job? I haven't seen one post of that.
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No one is, but if you not bashing him in here as others do then you’re get shit on.
some people don’t like the way he is going out, and the narrative that Neil is to blame for everything. I am one of those. I can knowledge he has done some bad and some good. He drafted CJ, Trent and Simmons as examples. Simmons has been bailing out and finally showing his potential, and he is so young and not ever near his potential. Remember when some were saying Neil’s love for Simmons was a problem and blah blah. We still got to the Western conference for the first time in 20 years, and no matter how you want to spin it that’s an accomplishment.

He has done some bad too, and can come across as certain way to some people. And he can be at fault for not making changes soon. But then how can you blame him if say he did finally want to make changes, hence the Simmons for CJ trade, but Sixers are turning that down so nothing he can do there right. But one thing I will tell you, is this Portland media, and Canzano and Quick are just as big of a cancer if you think Neil is too, they are assholes if you think Neil is one too. Dickau and the Clippers assistant that came out, and guys saying look that’s two examples, those two came across as the bigger douche than Neil if you ask me.

I don’t like that Neil threw Stotts under the bus in particular, saying it wasn’t a roster problem. And now if we don’t do well this season or blow it up soon that comment will come back to look bad and tasteless.

But regardless, the way some posters are out for him and have a agenda against him, and a certain two posters in general, I don’t like it and I don’t like the way he is going out.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Not defending Olshey; just don't like the way he will be going out. I can tell you, from personal experience, that in an investigation like this, there will be people who hold an old grudge or just want attention, and they will literally just make shit up.
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There is way more people like this, and especially in Portland lol. that’s why I will always wait for all the facts to come out before I jump to conclusion
 
I think the only reason to investigate is to come up with facts so they don’t have to pay him due to misconduct. Nothing else makes sense.
 
calvin natt said:
I think the only reason to investigate is to come up with facts so they don’t have to pay him due to misconduct. Nothing else makes sense.
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seems like an awful lot of trouble to smear the guy and take the bad PR hit to save ~15-20 mil.
 
sheed30 said:
No one is, but if you not bashing him in here as others do then you’re get shit on.
some people don’t like the way he is going out, and the narrative that Neil is to blame for everything. I am one of those. I can knowledge he has done some bad and some good. He drafted CJ, Trent and Simmons as examples. Simmons has been bailing out and finally showing his potential, and he is so young and not ever near his potential. Remember when some were saying Neil’s love for Simmons was a problem and blah blah. We still got to the Western conference for the first time in 20 years, and no matter how you want to spin it that’s an accomplishment.

He has done some bad too, and can come across as certain way to some people. And he can be at fault for not making changes soon. But then how can you blame him if say he did finally want to make changes, hence the Simmons for CJ trade, but Sixers are turning that down so nothing he can do there right. But one thing I will tell you, is this Portland media, and Canzano and Quick are just as big of a cancer if you think Neil is too, they are assholes if you think Neil is one too. Dickau and the Clippers assistant that came out, and guys saying look that’s two examples, those two came across as the bigger douche than Neil if you ask me.

I don’t like that Neil threw Stotts under the bus in particular, saying it wasn’t a roster problem. And now if we don’t do well this season or blow it up soon that comment will come back to look bad and tasteless.

But regardless, the way some posters are out for him and have a agenda against him, and a certain two posters in general, I don’t like it and I don’t like the way he is going out.
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No agenda here. We all just realize he isn't the right gm for us. His personality has always been used car salesman that rubbed some of us the wrong way. It is time to move on. He won't do what we need to become contenders.
 
illmatic99 said:
...like 5 yrs ago. well over 2 bil now, especially since they also own the arena.
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I read that number a lot later than 5 years ago...it was listed recently as a matter of fact and included owning the arena....I'm not surprised it's gone up since the real estate explosion though.
Just read that the franchise made an 8% leap this year to 2.08 billion so julius was close to the right figure....we're the 13th most valuable franchise in the league right now
 
Chris Mannix says Ainge is a target for future GM, but unsure of his interest.

ugh

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiret...ld-Be-Next-Blazers-GM-If-Neil-Olshey-Is-Fired

The Portland Trail Blazers are in the midst of an investigation into workplace misconduct on the part of General Manager Neil Olshey. While that investigation is still in its early days, there is speculation it could result in Olshey being fired.

If Portland does move on from Olshey, there is an expectation that former Boston Celtics President of Basketball Operations Danny Ainge could be a target to run the team's basketball operations. Ainge retired from Boston's front office at the end of the 2021 season and has remained a consultant to Brad Stevens and the Celtics.

At this point, there is no indication that Ainge would be interested in running the Blazers front office.

Ainge is from Oregon, having grown up in Eugene. Ainge was a three-sport star at North Eugene High School. Ainge garnered first-team All-American honors in football, basketball and baseball.
 
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calvin natt said:
I think the only reason to investigate is to come up with facts so they don’t have to pay him due to misconduct. Nothing else makes sense.
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So what? He sounds like an asshole to work for and he likely violated his contract in the process. That's "cause." They should pursue it. Why pay him $10 million (or whatever) if he, as my Contracts professor used to say, was a "dirty, rotten breacher"?

Everyone here is so damn free with the Vulcan money. You don't get rich by being dumb with money. And I bet you wouldn't be if it were your money.
 
illmatic99 said:
Howard Beck says Ainge is a target for future GM, but unsure of his interest.

ugh

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiret...ld-Be-Next-Blazers-GM-If-Neil-Olshey-Is-Fired

The Portland Trail Blazers are in the midst of an investigation into workplace misconduct on the part of General Manager Neil Olshey. While that investigation is still in its early days, there is speculation it could result in Olshey being fired.

If Portland does move on from Olshey, there is an expectation that former Boston Celtics President of Basketball Operations Danny Ainge could be a target to run the team's basketball operations. Ainge retired from Boston's front office at the end of the 2021 season and has remained a consultant to Brad Stevens and the Celtics.

At this point, there is no indication that Ainge would be interested in running the Blazers front office.

Ainge is from Oregon, having grown up in Eugene. Ainge was a three-sport star at North Eugene High School. Ainge garnered first-team All-American honors in football, basketball and baseball.
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Don't get the Ainge love. Ainge recognizes he's an Oregonian about as much as Clyde Drexler acknowledges that he played for the Blazers for 12 years, or about as much as LMA wants to return to "finish his career" in Portland.
 
AmirIcon said:
Went to highschool with Dan. He's an entitled asshole.
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I have heard much of the same. Doesn't necessarily change what he said, but I think we've all grown up with people who were entitled clowns who thought they worked hard (etc) and in reality they were incompetent.
 
calvin natt said:
I think the only reason to investigate is to come up with facts so they don’t have to pay him due to misconduct. Nothing else makes sense.
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i think it is most likely also a CYA move. If they fired him without an investigation for these allegations, he could sue for wrongful termination. By doing an investigation they can point to the due diligence they conducted.
 
julius said:
Don't get the Ainge love. Ainge recognizes he's an Oregonian about as much as Clyde Drexler acknowledges that he played for the Blazers for 12 years, or about as much as LMA wants to return to "finish his career" in Portland.
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I would hate that move. Dude was the guy who took Telfair ahead of BRoy. And he has no loyalty whatsoever and clearly has rubbed players the wrong way because he sees them only as assets. Boston was as bad a Portland in drawing FAs while having a much more storied history and in a larger market.
 
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julius said:
Don't get the Ainge love. Ainge recognizes he's an Oregonian about as much as Clyde Drexler acknowledges that he played for the Blazers for 12 years, or about as much as LMA wants to return to "finish his career" in Portland.
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It was pretty cool when Ainge gave Olshey shit though. Seemed like he loved the pnw when he did that.
 
julius said:
If Dame wanted him gone, they would've just canned his ass. The team is worth 2+ billion, they can afford to pay off the remaining bit of his contract IF it pisses off the best player to ever play for the team (esp if he wants to stay).
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Why pay him when the don't have to? If there are offenses which technically break his contract but were not seen as reason to risk making Dame mad...

Plus, you want to get somebody good in, and you don't want them thinking Dame will be able to fire them if he doesn't like them.

I'm not sure I buy this theory, but I wouldn't be surprised if they ran it past Dame before proceeding with the investigation.
 
Stevenson said:
So what? He sounds like an asshole to work for and he likely violated his contract in the process. That's "cause." They should pursue it. Why pay him $10 million (or whatever) if he, as my Contracts professor used to say, was a "dirty, rotten breacher"?

Everyone here is so damn free with the Vulcan money. You don't get rich by being dumb with money. And I bet you wouldn't be if it were your money.
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Uh I think almost everyone would fire Neil right now if any of us had billions. But carry on
 
calvin natt said:
I think the only reason to investigate is to come up with facts so they don’t have to pay him due to misconduct. Nothing else makes sense.
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that's been my tinfoil suggestion

I think it's more likely this is an attempt to protect the organization from liability. To shield against future lawsuits pertaining to hostile work environment. They may even have got wind that a lawsuit was being considered. Thing is that if they do find 'evidence' of that (and the decision to expand the investigation seems to imply they did), they'd leave themselves more open to that liability if they didn't fire Olshey

now maybe they aren't finding much at all and the expanded investigation is just due diligence. That's possible. But another explanation that kind of fits with the Vulcan history is that the investigation taking weeks longer is intended to keep Olshey dangling and pressure him to re-sign. That would be some rough justice, IMO
 
illmatic99 said:
Chris Mannix says Ainge is a target for future GM, but unsure of his interest.

ugh

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiret...ld-Be-Next-Blazers-GM-If-Neil-Olshey-Is-Fired

The Portland Trail Blazers are in the midst of an investigation into workplace misconduct on the part of General Manager Neil Olshey. While that investigation is still in its early days, there is speculation it could result in Olshey being fired.

If Portland does move on from Olshey, there is an expectation that former Boston Celtics President of Basketball Operations Danny Ainge could be a target to run the team's basketball operations. Ainge retired from Boston's front office at the end of the 2021 season and has remained a consultant to Brad Stevens and the Celtics.

At this point, there is no indication that Ainge would be interested in running the Blazers front office.

Ainge is from Oregon, having grown up in Eugene. Ainge was a three-sport star at North Eugene High School. Ainge garnered first-team All-American honors in football, basketball and baseball.
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"there is an expectation that former Boston Celtics President of Basketball Operations Danny Ainge could be a target to run the team's basketball operations."

an "expectation" from who?

this looks like total speculation, and lazy as hell speculation at that. One brain doing remedial math. If you want to speculate, knowing how the Vulcans operate, cast a wide net of potential GM candidates, than look for those that have any Seattle connections
 
sheed30 said:
But regardless, the way some posters are out for him and have a agenda against him, and a certain two posters in general, I don’t like it and I don’t like the way he is going out.
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name the two posters
 
wizenheimer said:
"there is an expectation that former Boston Celtics President of Basketball Operations Danny Ainge could be a target to run the team's basketball operations."

an "expectation" from who?

this looks like total speculation, and lazy as hell speculation at that. One brain doing remedial math. If you want to speculate, knowing how the Vulcans operate, cast a wide net of potential GM candidates, than look for those that have any Seattle connections
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mannix is fairly well connected in boston. one would presume his speculation is coming from that side of the country.
 
illmatic99 said:
mannix is fairly well connected in boston. one would presume his speculation is coming from that side of the country.
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ok.....but doesn't it look like the only equation here is: Ainge is out of work and he's from Oregon + Portland is in Oregon = Ainge is a candidate

I don't think Seattle is in any hurry to resolve this mess. And if they do get rid of Olshey, I doubt they'd be in any rush to hire a new GM. I'd bet interim on an GM till the off-season
 
wizenheimer said:
ok.....but doesn't it look like the only equation here is: Ainge is out of work and he's from Oregon + Portland is in Oregon = Ainge is a candidate

I don't think Seattle is in any hurry to resolve this mess. And if they do get rid of Olshey, I doubt they'd be in any rush to hire a new GM. I'd bet interim on an GM till the off-season
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I really hope not. As noted earlier, I think they've done some more leg work on potential replacements than has been made public. Keep coming back to Barry.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Why pay him when the don't have to? If there are offenses which technically break his contract but were not seen as reason to risk making Dame mad...

Plus, you want to get somebody good in, and you don't want them thinking Dame will be able to fire them if he doesn't like them.

I'm not sure I buy this theory, but I wouldn't be surprised if they ran it past Dame before proceeding with the investigation.
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In the scenario where Dame is the catalyst, the money owed to Olshey pails in comparison to the value loss in an angry/trade me Damian brings.
 
wizenheimer said:
ok.....but doesn't it look like the only equation here is: Ainge is out of work and he's from Oregon + Portland is in Oregon = Ainge is a candidate

I don't think Seattle is in any hurry to resolve this mess. And if they do get rid of Olshey, I doubt they'd be in any rush to hire a new GM. I'd bet interim on an GM till the off-season
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Ainge chose to be out of work...he didn't lose his job...Boston still pays him as a consultant....he said he wanted to retire....that's not exactly fear of unemployment by any stretch..I think the Ainge deal is some journalist trying to fill in the gap in the non story
 
illmatic99 said:
Dame is not the kinda guy to go about this clandestine way to get Olshey fired. If he wanted Neil gone, he woulda told Jody straight up and it would be done without much noise (like the situation in Minny where they got Rosas out in a single afternoon). All this investigation does is shed unnecessary light on a potentially bad situation. Still not sure I get the motive. Perhaps they didn't anticipate it getting out in public.
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You can no longer fire an exec quietly. (just ask the Thorns)
 
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