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Tince said:
Very much on brand for Neil.

He's not fighting to stay, he's fighting to get as much money as possible.
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lol what exactly is the team's intention here to prolong this investigation?

it's now clear all they care about is $ as well.

double standards strong with this one
 
illmatic99 said:
pretty easy for the team to just fire him and cite his performance
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it could be they intend to fire him whatever the outcome of the investigation

but they want some PR cover in case the next GM is a disaster. They could at least be able to say "look, we had no choice but to fire him"
 
Buffalo Custard said:
Clear to you maybe. I'm still convinced this is pure CYA.
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then whoever jody has running this is so out of their depth. did they simply anticipate olshey to take it lying down? it's a PR disaster waiting to happen.

what precedence is their for a wrongful termination suit anyway? guys get fired all the time in the league. Olshey himself said that he "serves at the pleasure of Jody Allen." and even while she doesn't need a tangible reason to fire him, he has plenty of missteps they can easily point to.

this is purely financial.
 
wizenheimer said:
it could be they intend to fire him whatever the outcome of the investigation

but they want some PR cover in case the next GM is a disaster. They could at least be able to say "look, we had no choice but to fire him"
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they are bungling this firing in anticipation of the ramifications of firing his replacement?

this is logical to you?

our leadership is nothing short of a disaster.
 
illmatic99 said:
they are bungling this firing in anticipation of the ramifications of firing his replacement?

this is logical to you?

our leadership is nothing short of a disaster.
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well I agree if they are going to fire him they should just do it. I guess they should let the investigation conclude and I guess it still has to interview Olshey. This is death by a thousand cuts. I have a real hard time seeing how the Vulcan could justify keeping Olshey on the job, especially after the issues with the Billups hiring, however over-blown they were

I really don't know is this has anything to do with trying to terminate the balance of his contract for cause. Might have more to do with future liability

which brings up an interesting question: would Portland ever release the findings of the investigation? What would they do if another team that was considering hiring Olshey asked for the findings? Would Olshey have grounds to sue if Portland did release the investigation?

even if the investigation never sees the light of day, could Olshey ever get another job in the NBA after all this?
 
wizenheimer said:
well I agree if they are going to fire him they should just do it. I guess they should let the investigation conclude and I guess it still has to interview Olshey. This is death by a thousand cuts. I have a real hard time seeing how the Vulcan could justify keeping Olshey on the job, especially after the issues with the Billups hiring, however over-blown they were

I really don't know is this has anything to do with trying to terminate the balance of his contract for cause. Might have more to do with future liability

which brings up an interesting question: would Portland ever release the findings of the investigation? What would they do if another team that was considering hiring Olshey asked for the findings? Would Olshey have grounds to sue if Portland did release the investigation?

even if the investigation never sees the light of day, could Olshey ever get another job in the NBA after all this?
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it's overkill, man. 60 employees and players? get it over with already.
 
illmatic99 said:
then whoever jody has running this is so out of their depth. did they simply anticipate olshey to take it lying down? it's a PR disaster waiting to happen.

what precedence is their for a wrongful termination suit anyway? guys get fired all the time in the league. Olshey himself said that he "serves at the pleasure of Jody Allen." and even while she doesn't need a tangible reason to fire him, he has plenty of missteps they can easily point to.

this is purely financial.
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More like they anticipate him getting another job, continuing to be a douche, and they get blamed for it. Call it the Sandusky rule. Penn State got blamed for crimes Sandusky comitted after he was no longer emplowed by them. Some of the many people fired had come to work for the University after Sandusky left.

If you fire somebody for job performance you had better be sure there are no other issues. You will notice that they paid Stotts without a whimper. If it was just about the money, why make a fuss about Olshey? The difference in how the 2 situations were handled strongly suggests that money is not the issue.
 
illmatic99 said:
you misspelled incompetent
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You are correct, but for the wrong reason. They screwed up by not doing this at the end of last season. If we are going to have a new GM, hiring him after the season is already underway is ridiculous. We needed them here for free agency, the coach's hiring process, etc.

Seriously - we need to worry about the result, not the process. :cheers:
 
illmatic99 said:
lol what exactly is the team's intention here to prolong this investigation?

it's now clear all they care about is $ as well.

double standards strong with this one
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I agree. I think the ownership (group) is a hot mess, as is Olshey.
 
The simplest possibility is that the Blazers didn't want to fire Olshey--they liked him or didn't yet think he was worth firing--which is why he survived the offseason, and that this investigation isn't actually a sham, they're trying to ascertain if they actually have to fire him for toxicity while not having an issue with his GM performance.

Obviously, more Machiavellian possibilities might be at play, but I just thought I'd mention that there is a straightforward possibility too.
 
Minstrel said:
The simplest possibility is that the Blazers didn't want to fire Olshey--they liked him or didn't yet think he was worth firing--which is why he survived the offseason, and that this investigation isn't actually a sham, they're trying to ascertain if they actually have to fire him for toxicity while not having an issue with his GM performance.

Obviously, more Machiavellian possibilities might be at play, but I just thought I'd mention that there is a straightforward possibility too.
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occam's razor to a T
 
Minstrel said:
The simplest possibility is that the Blazers didn't want to fire Olshey--they liked him or didn't yet think he was worth firing--which is why he survived the offseason, and that this investigation isn't actually a sham, they're trying to ascertain if they actually have to fire him for toxicity while not having an issue with his GM performance.

Obviously, more Machiavellian possibilities might be at play, but I just thought I'd mention that there is a straightforward possibility too.
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translation....Neil is banging Jody on the side
 
Minstrel said:
The simplest possibility is that the Blazers didn't want to fire Olshey--they liked him or didn't yet think he was worth firing--which is why he survived the offseason, and that this investigation isn't actually a sham, they're trying to ascertain if they actually have to fire him for toxicity while not having an issue with his GM performance.

Obviously, more Machiavellian possibilities might be at play, but I just thought I'd mention that there is a straightforward possibility too.
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This actually seems quite reasonable. Everything we have heard about Jody is how much she trusts Neil. The recent Mcgowan piece by Quick revealed CM's frustrations with Jody giving Neil front page opportunities.
 
Minstrel said:
The simplest possibility is that the Blazers didn't want to fire Olshey--they liked him or didn't yet think he was worth firing--which is why he survived the offseason, and that this investigation isn't actually a sham, they're trying to ascertain if they actually have to fire him for toxicity while not having an issue with his GM performance.

Obviously, more Machiavellian possibilities might be at play, but I just thought I'd mention that there is a straightforward possibility too.
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This is almost certainly the case.

But they'll find too much to keep him. He's as good as gone.
 
Investigation aside, IMO, he should still be gone.

  • LMA leaving for nothing when so many KNEW he would be gone
  • 2016 Free Agency
  • 2017 Draft
  • Signing CJ a year before he had to
  • 5 1st round picks, Ariza and DJJ for Collins, RoCo and Nance
He has been good with later picks in the 2nd round or late 1st round, but that doesn't make up for the rest.
 
illmatic99 said:
pretty easy for the team to just fire him and cite his performance
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True - but Blazers would have to pay out the full contract.

If they can fire NO 'with cause', Blazers could void the rest of the contract & possibly not have to pay it.
 
TBpup said:
Investigation aside, IMO, he should still be gone.

  • LMA leaving for nothing when so many KNEW he would be gone
  • 2016 Free Agency
  • 2017 Draft
  • Signing CJ a year before he had to
  • 5 1st round picks, Ariza and DJJ for Collins, RoCo and Nance
He has been good with later picks in the 2nd round or late 1st round, but that doesn't make up for the rest.
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Nic Batum for Noah Vonleh. I don't necessarily blame him for trying to rebuild, but he managed to target a prospect that amounted to nothing.
 
Minstrel said:
The simplest possibility is that the Blazers didn't want to fire Olshey--they liked him or didn't yet think he was worth firing--which is why he survived the offseason, and that this investigation isn't actually a sham, they're trying to ascertain if they actually have to fire him for toxicity while not having an issue with his GM performance.

Obviously, more Machiavellian possibilities might be at play, but I just thought I'd mention that there is a straightforward possibility too.
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That is actually the most depressing scenario. If Olshey is their idea of a "good" GM, we are well and truly boned!
 
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