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Hoopguru said:
There are discussions going on now about does a bio male that transitioned to female have an advantage? There are girls, young women and women that feel its a definite advantage in certain sports, like sprinting as the male bone structure and muscles help.
This argument has evolved because of there are cases where young women feel cheated when it comes to competing for scholarships or endorsements, an there have been bio males winning going away. Girls, young women put many hours into training and certain sports and feel its unfair. This is a dilemma as one group is concerned about inclusion and the other about on a level field.
My daughter was good enough to earn a spot on mens soccer team when in middle school and tried out for HS boys team and dint make the cut as she was simply not as strong and powerful as compared, if she had been Im convinced she would have been selected. If my son wanted to play girls hs softball they would have refused, concerned about precedent.
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That is an interesting point regarding a son playing girl's softball. Besides the precedent, his supposed desire would invite ridicule and taunting from his male friends. It's a psychological situation that would affect his relations with friends, his adversaries, and his family.
 
Transgender people should have the same right to compete as everyone else. However, they should compete based on their birth gender. If not, the long term legal result could be the disappearance of woman's sports, forcing all genders to compete together.

This really is a locker room problem blown way out of proportion. The real answer is giving transgender people their own locker room, not an unfair advantage, or disadvantage against opponents.
 
OK. Just don't pretend to support transgender rights when you clearly do not.
 
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stampedehero said:
Ok. Last time. Body builders are athletes. Women that build their bodies to be men are what I refer to. So, in essence, they want to be men. They compete in Body Builder Contests which is Sport.
Now, If you look at other threads you will see posters go way off topic. For example: "Sweet pickles are an abomination and should be disallowed. Don't try to change my mind. They're gross.
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". What???

Thread title asks: Should females compete against biological males?~@SlyPokerDog
I'm just expressing my opinion and I will let this go away. This conversation drains positive energy. Let's have fun here. Stay healthy and safe, my friend.[/QUOTE]
Women body builders aren't trying to be men, they're building muscle on their own body. What the?
 
crandc said:
OK. Just don't pretend to support transgender rights when you clearly do not.
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Weak, and faulty.

I know your game and how you play it. Your responses remind me of George Orwell's thought police in his book 1984. No substance, just intimidation to win your agenda goal. Regardless of who you hurt, to get the special unequal treatment you demand.
 
oldfisherman said:
Weak, and faulty.

I know your game and how you play it. Your responses remind me of George Orwell's thought police in his book 1984. No substance, just intimidation to win your agenda goal. Regardless of who you hurt, to get the special unequal treatment you demand.
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Just curious but what is her agenda goal and what is the special unequal treatment that you think she is demanding?
 
crandc said:
My position is that straight cis men do not have the right to dictate what transgender women, or transgender men, can and cannot do. Or to decide what is or us not "responsible" behavior for transgender people.

I am quite sure you would be outraged by the reverse.
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I am quite sure that you are correct that "nobody" has the right to dictate what transgendered people do as long as it's legal...I do think that safety is an issue....as a parent it doesn't matter what my sexuality is...I'm a parent...I would never dictate or vote to limit transgendered rights but I would vote against teaching that it's ok for my son to hit a female for sports or any reason at all....I think if I don't it says it's ok for men to hit women....I don't think it is. I'll live with that and own it...I also understand that some people like to get hit...also something I wouldn't want to promote...
 
riverman said:
I am quite sure that you are correct that "nobody" has the right to dictate what transgendered people do...I do think that safety is an issue....as a parent it doesn't matter what my sexuality is...I'm a parent...I would never dictate or vote to limit transgendered rights but I would vote against teaching it's ok for my son to hit a female for sports or any reason at all....I think if I don't it says it's ok for men to hit women....I don't think it is. I'll live with that and own it
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I think it's ok, with their consent, while playing blackjack.

barfo
 
If a female wants to play against anyone it is not just fine it’s awesome

the only part of this I cringed at was the “women are more xyz emotionally vs men” and some shit about emotions or parenting. This is not 1950.
 
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RR7 said:
LeBron has a clear biological advantage over me for playing in the NBA. Id like all people that tall and athletic disallowed so that I can compete more fairly.
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Such a ridiculous comparison. What is interesting is that EXACT argument could be made against biological trans men demanding they should be able to compete in a vastly less competitive field of women athletes.
 
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calvin natt said:
If a female wants to play against anyone it is not just fine it’s awesome

the only part of this I cringed at was the “women are more xyz emotionally vs men” and some shit about emotions or parenting. This is not 1950.
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What if a male wants to play against anyone, including females who aren’t ok with it?

My sister chose to join the wrestling team in high school, she knew she’d be at a disadvantage but wanted to anyway. That’s not the same as a biological male joining women’s MMA and beating the fuck out of a bunch of women. It’s quite literally the opposite. It’s accepting a disadvantage rather than demanding an advantage.
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
Just curious but what is her agenda goal and what is the special unequal treatment that you think she is demanding?
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I wonder that myself!

When members of the dominant group presume the right to dictate to the marginalized what they should be permitted to do and what constitutes responsible behavior, that is not support, it's privilege.
 
jonnyboy said:
What if a male wants to play against anyone, including females who aren’t ok with it?

My sister chose to join the wrestling team in high school, she knew she’d be at a disadvantage but wanted to anyway. That’s not the same as a biological male joining women’s MMA and beating the fuck out of a bunch of women. It’s quite literally the opposite. It’s accepting a disadvantage rather than demanding an advantage.
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Thats why I wrote (and I think this entire thread is about) if a woman wants to play against a man. If a man wants to play vs a woman, and she doesnt want to, then she doesnt. If a trans man wants to be in the women's competition, I think each competitor should have to agree to it. I don't know the answer to it. Its fuzzy. If you oppose it you come across as a bad person when in reality you're just concerned with a biologically stronger person who could hurt a woman.
 
calvin natt said:
if you oppose it you come across as a bad person when in reality you're just concerned with a biologically stronger person who could hurt a woman.
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I just think it's weird how all of the focus in this thread seems to be about boxing and mma and physical violence. The focus on two sports there isn't generally tons of participation in compared to track and field events, ball sports, general "high school" participation type of sports.
 
This has nothing to do with transgender rights, My post was "should females compete against biological males"

Actually the hang up has to do with Title 1x gals having equal rights to there teams and support.
It was a common since ruling that both sex's cam up with for fairness. Nothing about gender rights.

I had the read the article and thought it was interesting and wanted to share it for feedback.
I really dont think either view is right or wrong.
They just need to come up with a way to address it with common since and fairness. If its keeping testostrone at certain levels fine. My issue had to do with is there an advantage?
 
What about sports where biological women have an advantage over biological men? Should transgendered be allowed to participate in those?
 
oldfisherman said:
Transgender people should have the same right to compete as everyone else. However, they should compete based on their birth gender. If not, the long term legal result could be the disappearance of woman's sports, forcing all genders to compete together.

This really is a locker room problem blown way out of proportion. The real answer is giving transgender people their own locker room, not an unfair advantage, or disadvantage against opponents.
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Agree 100%. A person born a man should not be allowed to compete in women's sports.

I have no problem with a transgender league, or allowing them to compete with men.

Just like a 7th grader should be allowed you play up against 8th graders but not down against 6th graders.

Men are naturally born more athletic, faster, stronger, and with lower body fat than women.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
What about sports where biological women have an advantage over biological men? Should transgendered be allowed to participate in those?
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Many events in gymnastics and ice skating biological women have an advantage. Should someone who has transgendered from a woman to man be allowed to compete in those sports?
 
There could be a rule to compensate, like, the former man has to wear high heels while playing.
 
Or they could wear 50-pound backbacks. Or blindfolds. Their choice.

Or the former men could have no negative compensation, but the women competing would have positive compensation, like, they wouldn't have to wear their tight itchy bras.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
What about sports where biological women have an advantage over biological men? Should transgendered be allowed to participate in those?
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Only if the guys are allowed to use steroids.
Should men be allowed to compete in women sports sucj as HS softball, basketball?
 
Gee, what's next?

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