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SlyPokerDog said:
Girls participate against boys all the time in high school wrestling. They use this thing called weight to determine who should fight who. Does this eliminate injuries? No. Should we just outlaw that from happening? No. Are those injuries happening at a higher rate than same sex wrestling? Don't know.

You provided one example, but I'm pretty sure that was a professional match. Those people got paid.

What happens in professional sports is very different than high school.
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I provided one example. It wasn't the only example. I'm not talking entirely about safety. I'm talking about fairness.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/transgend...d-competitors-critics-close/story?id=55856294

How is this fair?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Has this even happened?

Is this really a problem that needs to be solved?

I've seen this example used a few times in this thread.

So... boxing...

Regulate glove weight and require head gear. Make sure refs are qualified and experienced.

Make sure this applies to all boxing matches no matter the sex of the participants.
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The only case I can think of was a trans guy in Thailand competing in MMA.
 
LOL. So much for womens rights. Hey fuck your daughters and their desire to compete. If they have to compete against biological males that have an inherent advantage, well suck it up buttercup...
 
Why even have womens sports? Why have things like Title 9?

If someone isn't good enough to be one of the best competing as a male, and then they turn around and identify as a female and now they're winning state championships.... what does that say?

When the 203rd best male tennis player in the world can beat both of the Williams sisters back to back........

https://www.tennisnow.com/Blogs/NET...n-Who-Beat-Venus-and-Serena-Back-to-Back.aspx
 
Seriously people think someone will pretend so they can dominate a sport and gain fame and fortune out of it? Lol

Oh, I support their rights, but...

No you don't. It sounds like you grudgingly accept some.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Why even have womens sports? Why have things like Title 9?

If someone isn't good enough to be one of the best competing as a male, and then they turn around and identify as a female and now they're winning state championships.... what does that say?

When the 203rd best male tennis player in the world can beat both of the Williams sisters back to back........

https://www.tennisnow.com/Blogs/NET...n-Who-Beat-Venus-and-Serena-Back-to-Back.aspx
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/07/01/cori-gauff-shocks-venus-williams-wimbledon/

Here's a 15 year old girl beating Venus, omg!!
Your example is a grown man beating them when they're 16, in 1 set. Streeeetch
 
RR7 said:
Seriously people think someone will pretend so they can dominate a sport and gain fame and fortune out of it? Lol

Oh, I support their rights, but...

No you don't. It sounds like you grudgingly accept some.
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Dude, thats not whats being discussed here, at least thats not my POV. I don't think that people are making the decision to be a female just to kick someones ass and be a better athlete than another woman. What I am saying is that its UNFAIR for the biological women to compete due to them being BIOLOGICALLY different
 
OSUBlazerfan said:
Dude, thats not whats being discussed here, at least thats not my POV. I don't think that people are making the decision to be a female just to kick someones ass and be a better athlete than another woman. What I am saying is that its UNFAIR for the biological women to compete due to them being BIOLOGICALLY different
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Sorry, I should have quoted instead of just responding , but nate clearly says someone not good enough all of a sudden identifying and winning state championships
 
RR7 said:
Sorry, I should have quoted instead of just responding , but nate clearly says someone not good enough all of a sudden identifying and winning state championships
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People will do whatever they can to game the system. If someone wouldn't have a chance in hell of getting a scholarship as a male but suddenly can identify and win championships as a woman, why wouldn't they?
 
So now we're concerned with protecting and preserving the sanctity of high school athletics?
 
RR7 said:
So now we're concerned with protecting and preserving the sanctity of high school athletics?
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So why have male and female sports at all? Why not just have skill based match making like video games. If you play a ranked video game like Overwatch, it doesn't care if you're a boy or girl. It doesn't care if you are trans, gay, straight, whatever. It cares about your skill rating.

So have a skill based athletics and be done with it. No more male and female.

Of course..... the women's rights activists wouldn't be too happy about that :devilwink:
 
Or you can let people self identify, because I imagine the cases you're so concerned about would number in the teens. And then who gives a shit. It's a discussion that's being stretched to absurd lengths. What about a 7 foot tall boxer?!?! What about Big bruising boxers?! What if someone just flips one year so they can win a sport?! Who gives a shit. It's high school athletics. I'd say gender identity positivity would be a far bigger deal than a few lost championships. But yes, go to the next absurd argument and Why even have split sports?
 
RR7 said:
Or you can let people self identify, because I imagine the cases you're so concerned about would number in the teens. And then who gives a shit. It's a discussion that's being stretched to absurd lengths. What about a 7 foot tall boxer?!?! What about Big bruising boxers?! What if someone just flips one year so they can win a sport?! Who gives a shit. It's high school athletics. I'd say gender identity positivity would be a far bigger deal than a few lost championships. But yes, go to the next absurd argument and Why even have split sports?
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I think if you were a female track star who just lost to two trans women in the state championship, you would probably care.
 
it's just funny to me how women's rights become inconvenient when they get in the way of the latest liberal fad.
 
The latest liberal fad? Trying to care about people? Gtfo.
 
someone earlier mentioned how there was a similar argument with black athletes. Think of all the poor white baseball players that couldn't be professionals because we had to go and let blacks in. It was a slippery slope!!
 
OSUBlazerfan said:
Dude, thats not whats being discussed here, at least thats not my POV. I don't think that people are making the decision to be a female just to kick someones ass and be a better athlete than another woman. What I am saying is that its UNFAIR for the biological women to compete due to them being BIOLOGICALLY different
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At what levels? How many examples? The one girl that has already been discussed all she got was a walk on offer to a small college. I bet the girls who finished 2nd and 3rd in that event got better scholarship offers than transgendered girl did. Girls aren't losing scholarships over this, colleges aren't actively and exclusively recruiting them.

Biological women successfully compete against men all the time, including high school wrestling in the state of Oregon.

We don't want the feds telling us how to run our schools, but you guys want the feds to tell us how to run our school sports?

Big evil chicks with dicks want to hurt our daughters! And then rape their little brothers and sisters in public bathrooms. My god, this is a nightmare! NIGHTMARE!

There are sports such as gymnastics and ice skating where biological girls would have a completive advantage over transgendered athletes.

Again, is this really a problem? Do we need to really legislate local, state, college and professional sports over a bunch of what ifs and fear?

How many women's high school track and field state champions in Oregon in the last 10 years were transgendered females? How many competitors?

I'm honestly just seeing a lot of half baked fear mongering and a bunch of what ifs.

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If we really care about girls and sports why haven't we addressed the growing medical problems from crumb rubber or concussion problems in sports like girls soccer?

IMO, most of these arguments against transgendered athletes aren't really about fairness for girls but about the inkiness of being transgendered.
 
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RR7 said:
someone earlier mentioned how there was a similar argument with black athletes. Think of all the poor white baseball players that couldn't be professionals because we had to go and let blacks in. It was a slippery slope!!
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Just so I'm clear....... the women are the white men in this scenario?

You're going to pick a demographic that has historically been shitted on for hundreds, if not thousands of years and is still fighting for equality, and compare it to a bunch of white men?

Black athletes deserved to be able to compete on the highest level, regardless of what color their skin was. But this isn't about competing at the highest level. This about either proving a political point, OR more likely, it's about being able to dominate because they're still biologically men for all intents and purposes.
 
Natebishop3 said:
it's just funny to me how women's rights become inconvenient when they get in the way of the latest liberal fad.
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So it has to be either or?

Either women or either transgendered?

Okay, so girls can participate in high school boys wrestling but transgendered can't.

Got it!
 
I have to say, I'm a little sus of the sudden outpouring of "won't someone please think of women's rights?" from certain people, people who generally I wouldn't say care much about those sorts of things. I'm not sure this sudden feminist turn is all that genuine--seems more like a position taken that seems like a convenient bludgeon to people who don't understand feminism or trans rights in the first place and think one is counter to the other.
 
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Minstrel said:
I have to say, I'm a little sus of the sudden outpouring of "won't someone please think of women's rights?" from certain people, people who generally I wouldn't say care much about those sorts of things. I'm not sure this sudden feminist turn is all that genuine--seems more like a position taken that seems like a convenient bludgeon to people who don't understand feminism or trans rights in the first place and think one is counter to the other.
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You’re gonna have to point me to all the examples of me being a misogynist.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/former-wwe-superstar-gabbi-tuft-004049884.html



She's only doing it so she can be the WWE female champion!! :NOTMARIS: :ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohmy:
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