Should we keep or trade Henderson?

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  • Keep him

    Votes: 18 36.7%

  • Trade him

    Votes: 31 63.3%
  • Total voters
    49
All good valid points which in the end means win, win...after losing 4 starters I've cheered for for years, I'm just starting to get invested in this roster..as usual, somebody I like will probably get traded. Won't shock me at all.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Who really wants to do that though? Okay, Im your ping pong to bat around... yeah for me.. I might as well throw the rest of the season away.
Come on. No player wants that.
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Sure he doesn't. But he's a smart guy, he knows the score. You think that if Neil went to him and said, "Gerald, Chicago wants you for their playoff run, so I have to do what's best for the team and trade you; please remember how much you enjoyed your time here when I call you with a contract offer 5 months from now," that he would take it as a personal insult of some kind? Moreover, if Neil comes in with the highest offer next summer, you think that Hendo will say, "Screw you and your millions; you traded me!", or that he'll choose to take less to stay here this summer if we choose not to trade him?

I don't see any of those as reasonable responses from a reasonable man.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Aminu has been much better than Harkless. Im pretty sure he sticks around. He can drive to the hoop, hit the three point shot. How can you say he cant score when he basically scored our first 10 points last night?
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Technically OB I didn't say he couldn't score. I said ......."One of them needs to be able to shoot a little better"

My point is we do not have room for both when we have guys like Crabbe who can play minutes at the SF spot. (and right now even Henderson)
 
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I disagree that we can trade him and be just as likely to sign him this summer. If we want to resign him better to keep him here. Players don't want to be traded away from a team. No it isn't the be all end all, yes a player can resign with an old team in some situations, but in general it doesn't happen very often and for a reason. Its the human element.

Think if your employer eliminated your job and reassigned you to a different location? If your old job opens back up and they want to hire you yeah you'll think about it but it will give you much more caution than if you'd been employed the whole time.

Players care about that stuff; if you offer the most money sure they might take that job but if they have a bunch of similar offers they are much more likely to look elsewhere first.

That said I earlier posted we should trade Gerald for even a decent second round pick so I don't value him that highly with where our team is going.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Technically OB I didn't say he couldn't score. I said ......."One of them needs to be able to shoot a little better"

My point is we do not have room for both when we have guys like Crabbe who can play minutes at the SF. spot. (and right now even Henderson)
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Aminu is way better than Hark at this point and I would be mad if we moved AMinu but not HArk.
 
If I were King....

I always look to strengthen my top 8 players. Henderson is just outside that rotation IMO. He's obviously now fully healed and looking like he is again trusting his injured hip. He's playing at a very high level compared to his career. And he's pretty good.

Problem is....he's not as good as CJ or Crabbe. So, he's trade bait to me. I would use him, if possible, to get another position of need. For me, I really like our starters, Lillard, McCollum, Plumlee, Aminu and Vonleh. I also really like Crabbe, Davis and Leonard.

I am hoping that Olshey is looking at getting Harrison Barnes, Terrence Jones, and Steve Blake in Red & Black next year. Of course, once Durant politely says no to our offer!!
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Sure he doesn't. But he's a smart guy, he knows the score. You think that if Neil went to him and said, "Gerald, Chicago wants you for their playoff run, so I have to do what's best for the team and trade you; please remember how much you enjoyed your time here when I call you with a contract offer 5 months from now," that he would take it as a personal insult of some kind? Moreover, if Neil comes in with the highest offer next summer, you think that Hendo will say, "Screw you and your millions; you traded me!", or that he'll choose to take less to stay here this summer if we choose not to trade him?

I don't see any of those as reasonable responses from a reasonable man.
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The answer is below. :)

I personally think its a bad idea and poor morale boost. Why would he want to come back to now be concerned it will happen again?


Draco said:
I disagree that we can trade him and be just as likely to sign him this summer. If we want to resign him better to keep him here. Players don't want to be traded away from a team. No it isn't the be all end all, yes a player can resign with an old team in some situations, but in general it doesn't happen very often and for a reason. Its the human element.

Think if your employer eliminated your job and reassigned you to a different location? If your old job opens back up and they want to hire you yeah you'll think about it but it will give you much more caution than if you'd been employed the whole time.

Players care about that stuff; if you offer the most money sure they might take that job but if they have a bunch of similar offers they are much more likely to look elsewhere first.

That said I earlier posted we should trade Gerald for even a decent second round pick so I don't value him that highly with where our team is going.
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If we can flip him for a defensive big man or a draft pick we should do it. We really need to pull a Denver on a playoff team looking for bench help. Hendo could be our reverse Afflalo.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
All I know is that his cap figure this summer will be $9M, and there's no way we're signing him to a contract starting higher than that, so there would be no benefit to us at all to having his cap hold on our books.

Edit: per Spotrac, our cap figure including our 9 active contracts is a little over $46M, and the three holds they're likely to keep (Leonard, Harkless, Crabbe) total $9.3M more, so with a projected cap of $89M, we'll have about $33M of cap space. Why cut that to $24M for the privilege of holding onto Gerald Henderson's bird rights?
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This site does not look correct to me. They are using the qualifying offers as the CAP hold for Leonard and Harkless. That is incorrect. It should be 250% of previous years salary, based on http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q38.

Here's my estimate for our available CAP space for next summer: http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/3683069/. My calculations line up with BasketballInsiders.com.
If we waive Henderson and Kaman, we'll have about $23M of CAP space.
If we waive Henderson, Kaman and Harkless, we'll have about $30M of CAP space.

The estimated Max contracts will be:
0-6 yr NBA vet, 25% of CAP, $20,860,964
7-9 yr NBA vet, 30% of CAP, $25,033,157
10+ yr NBA vet, 35% of CAP, $29,205,350
 
42N8Bounce said:
This site does not look correct to me. They are using the qualifying offers as the CAP hold for Leonard and Harkless. That is incorrect. It should be 250% of previous years salary, based on http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q38.

Here's my estimate for our available CAP space for next summer: http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/3683069/. My calculations line up with BasketballInsiders.com.
If we waive Henderson and Kaman, we'll have about $23M of CAP space.
If we waive Henderson, Kaman and Harkless, we'll have about $30M of CAP space.

The estimated Max contracts will be:
0-6 yr NBA vet, 25% of CAP, $20,860,964
7-9 yr NBA vet, 30% of CAP, $25,033,157
10+ yr NBA vet, 35% of CAP, $29,205,350
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Thanks. I wasn't checking their figures, but I should have known those numbers were wrong. Which means, even less reason to keep Henderson.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Spot on. But he's not really much of an asset to begin with. I just don't want to have a situation where he leaves for nothing in return. It was bad enough losing LA/Rolo/Wes for capspace. Vonleh will be all we have to show for Nic then.
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I think Henderson serves us best by being packaged w/ some other asset. If "Vonleh will be all we have to show for Nic then," I've np w/ this:ygrin:
 
Blazers Roy said:
Let's read what i wrote again, shall we?



It is a gamble and there are some dumb GMs out there, i didn't say otherwise.
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Are you saying our GM isn't levelheaded? I think 12 MIL is his going rate and if we don't trade him I would bet Olshey would sign him to that (after we have another big name free agent in the bag of course). 12 MIL a year contracts in the new CAP are roughly equivalent to 9 MIL a year contracts in the old CAP.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Are you saying our GM isn't levelheaded? I think 12 MIL is his going rate and if we don't trade him I would bet Olshey would sign him to that (after we have another big name free agent in the bag of course). 12 MIL a year contracts in the new CAP are roughly equivalent to 9 MIL a year contracts in the old CAP.
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How do you know his market value before the season ended and before any team gave him a single offer??

There are some pretty good players in the NBA who are in Hendo's level who make below 6M.
You've seen Jerryd Bayless yesterday? He makes 3M now.
 
If he's a free agent next year, why not? I mean we'd have to get a decent second round to pick to make it worth it. But I don't see us making a championship run this year.

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Blazers Roy said:
How do you know his market value before the season ended and before any team gave him a single offer??

There are some pretty good players in the NBA who are in Hendo's level who make below 6M.
You've seen Jerryd Bayless yesterday? He makes 3M now.
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Have you looked at the available FA this year? Henderson is one of the better players available.
 
42N8Bounce said:
This site does not look correct to me. They are using the qualifying offers as the CAP hold for Leonard and Harkless. That is incorrect. It should be 250% of previous years salary, based on http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q38.

Here's my estimate for our available CAP space for next summer: http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/3683069/. My calculations line up with BasketballInsiders.com.
If we waive Henderson and Kaman, we'll have about $23M of CAP space.
If we waive Henderson, Kaman and Harkless, we'll have about $30M of CAP space.

The estimated Max contracts will be:
0-6 yr NBA vet, 25% of CAP, $20,860,964
7-9 yr NBA vet, 30% of CAP, $25,033,157
10+ yr NBA vet, 35% of CAP, $29,205,350
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So ~$37mil of space if we renounce Meyers too? I'm definitely doing that if I run the Blazers.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Are you saying our GM isn't levelheaded? I think 12 MIL is his going rate and if we don't trade him I would bet Olshey would sign him to that (after we have another big name free agent in the bag of course). 12 MIL a year contracts in the new CAP are roughly equivalent to 9 MIL a year contracts in the old CAP.
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If we sign Hendo for $12 mil I'll be furious.

He was viewed as overpaid this year at $6 million; that was the reason Charlotte insisted we assume his contract in the trade.
 
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