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What to do with Ant?

  • Sign him for what might be around $20,000,000 to start next to Dame

  • Trade him for a larger wing who would fit better next to Dame

  • Sign him for around $15,000,000 to be a Super-Sub

  • Trade Dame/CJ and build around the 22 year old and all the pieces coming back

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B-Roy said:
What happens if Ant gets a max offer?
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Whatever he gets it’s obvious there isn’t room for both him and CJ, and Powell probably needs to go as well.
 
Id give them both Ant & CJ for Ben & something.
Defenders like ben dont come around to often.
 
I think we all just need to trust players when they say someone has game. Guys like dame for years has been pumping up Ant for years saying hes gonna be a star. These guys are the first to know. Ant must have been killing in practice.

The same happened with Devin Booker. From Durant to Lebron, everyone and anyone was hyping Booker up as being a star, and it only manifested years after.
 
Hoopguru said:
Isn't this Maxey second year. Its Ant 4th year and CJ going on a decade. My post said Philly guards are playing well meaning Curry, Thybull?, Kork & Shake. You think adding Ant or CJ gets them a championship? if so why the hell trade em?
Those 4 guards of theirs give them offense, defense & Depth. Why would you trade Ben for Ant or CJ?
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Playing well doesn’t matter. You need people who can get you buckets in crunch time, during the playoffs Mano y mano. A lot of people hate CJ, and he has disappeared a couple times, but that’s what they need in the playoffs to get over the hump. They need someone that they can go 1-4 low, “get us a bucket”.

And I’ve already said I wouldn’t trade for Simmons unless we couldn’t get anything else for CJ OR unless we play Simmons at the 5.

part of the reason is because we are gifting the 76ers a championship, the other part is because I don’t want Simmons. But I really, really don’t want CJ.

And if Ant or Nas is included in a Simmons deal, then I’m really not interested.
 
TBpup said:
It's unbelievable how many short, ball dominant guards Neil thought would be a good idea on the same roster. It's not that they aren't good/very good players. It just reeks of poor roster construction and cap management.
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I believe he thought Ant would breakout in year 2-3 and be a valuable trading chip that he could flip for *disgruntled star*. I also think that’s why he was calling out Stotts for not playing young guys at one point. (Could be remembering incorrectly.)
 
SlyPokerCat said:
That's what I have been saying but people refuse to believe he will be offered more than like 17 million a year.

Pistons. Magic. Spurs.

Magic have lots of guards already but idk. If simons keeps playing like this i feel like someone will offer him a lot knowing we have so much money wrapped up in three guards already.
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Fend off Detroit by sending Powell + a pick (maybe flipped from a Roco deal) for Jerami Grant. Hope that Magic and Spurs rely on having too many guards (although Dejounte + Ant would be filthy). Present Ant with $20M offer right away and try to lock shit down quick.

I'm ready to sell low on CJ. Honestly, CJ/Roco for Love/Okoro would be fine with me.

Lillard/Ant/Smith
Okoro/Ant
Little/Snell
Grant/Love/Nance
Nurkic/Nance/min

That team probably isn't a championship contender, but it's a hell of a lot more fun and athletic than the one we started this year with. The passing would also improve by a lot.
 
Natebishop3 said:
We are staring at an opportunity to start over and build around Ant and Nas. We could pull in a lot of young talent if we trade Dame and CJ.
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I can see "building around" a Lebron or a Durant or a Giannis or a Curry or a Dame. Those are all NBA franchise talents that can be at the core of a team. Ant and Nas are not all-NBA talents; they are not franchise players. Not yet and probably not ever. Putting them at the very core and saying "let's fill in around their talent with complementary pieces"....which is the same as 'building around'...sure looks like just another path to mediocrity

I mean...would you, or would you not trade Ant and Nas for Giannis? Is Dame on an entirely different tier of talent than CJ or Powell or RoCo or Nance? What near-term (the next 2-3 seasons) advantage does Ant + Nas have over Dame + Ant + Nas?
 
Predator said:
Playing well doesn’t matter. You need people who can get you buckets in crunch time, during the playoffs Mano y mano. A lot of people hate CJ, and he has disappeared a couple times, but that’s what they need in the playoffs to get over the hump. They need someone that they can go 1-4 low, “get us a bucket”.

And I’ve already said I wouldn’t trade for Simmons unless we couldn’t get anything else for CJ OR unless we play Simmons at the 5.

part of the reason is because we are gifting the 76ers a championship, the other part is because I don’t want Simmons. But I really, really don’t want CJ.

And if Ant or Nas is included in a Simmons deal, then I’m really not interested.
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I guess we will see how impactful their guards can be come playoffs. If CJ is that much better at closing games than Curry, Maxie, Thy, Kork & Shake why hasnt Philly jumped on CJ and why the hell are we trading him? I believe they dont want him for the same reason's most on here dont want him.
 
If the Blazers are operating under the mindset that they HAVE to trade CJ, I think we are all going to be underwhelmed by the return. It's going to be another Zach Randolph situation. Powell can be moved easily, but if the Blazers want to compete next season the suitors for Powell may not return commensurate court value. Some mid or late firsts is not going to be super helpful.
 
AmirIcon said:
Because we have a glut of undersized guards and we want to get bigger, more defensive minded while balancing out the rest of the team. It's totally possible CJ could be an all-star in the east.
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I get it. I think the league thinks he’s over valued.
We will see what Joe can do if he even wants to trade him.
 
AmirIcon said:
Because we have a glut of undersized guards and we want to get bigger, more defensive minded while balancing out the rest of the team. It's totally possible CJ could be an all-star in the east.
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So do they though.
 
B-Roy said:
If the Blazers are operating under the mindset that they HAVE to trade CJ, I think we are all going to be underwhelmed by the return. It's going to be another Zach Randolph situation. Powell can be moved easily, but if the Blazers want to compete next season the suitors for Powell may not return commensurate court value. Some mid or late firsts is not going to be super helpful.
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I think we should keep Powell.
Dame, Powell, and Simons is a solid 3 guard rotation. If they can improve that rotation, then fine go for it. But like you say if they want to compete next year then move him to SG and go with those 3 for 32 minutes a game. Not saying we can't do better but I just think a high-scoring PF is the bigger need.

Nurk is playing better and I think we all agree that Little can be the starting SF.

So that leaves CJ, Roco (or Nance) and a draft pick to get a power forward. And like you say we might be a little underwhelmed with the return but my hope
is we keep our draft pick and draft a big and trade for a vet. I have been opposed to getting stuck with Tobia Harris' contract but we could do worse.
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
I think we should keep Powell.
Dame, Powell, and Simons is a solid 3 guard rotation. If they can improve that rotation, then fine go for it. But like you say if they want to compete next year then move him to SG and go with those 3 for 32 minutes a game. Not saying we can't do better but I just think a high-scoring PF is the bigger need.

Nurk is playing better and I think we all agree that Little can be the starting SF.

So that leaves CJ, Roco (or Nance) and a draft pick to get a power forward. And like you say we might be a little underwhelmed with the return but my hope
is we keep our draft pick and draft a big and trade for a vet. I have been opposed to getting stuck with Tobia Harris' contract but we could do worse.
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could ww finagle cj our pick( assuming we miss the playoff), with roco and whatever else to move up to number two and try to get paulo poncharo?
He would fit the ant/nas timeline.
 
Hoopguru said:
I guess we will see how impactful their guards can be come playoffs. If CJ is that much better at closing games than Curry, Maxie, Thy, Kork & Shake why hasnt Philly jumped on CJ and why the hell are we trading him? I believe they dont want him for the same reason's most on here dont want him.
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I’m assuming it will be just like last year in the playoffs when every time they needed to go 1 on 1 it ended up in:

1) A worn out Joel Embiid
2) Joel Embiid somehow going 1 on 1 from the 3pt line.

Because Simmons, in a vacuum, is a better asset than CJ and we don’t have much more to offer, I’d guess. Morey probably has unrealistic expectations for what he can get in return.

And we need to trade CJ because we have a lot of comparable guards that all do the same thing with essentially the same weaknesses. We don’t want CJ because we have CJ already, but better, in Dame. That’s why people want him traded.

(And some of us don’t actually want him traded, but he makes too much to be a 6th man.)

So, any way you slice it, there is NO WAY the 76ers don’t want him for the same reason we don’t want him.
 
Hoopguru said:
So do they though.
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CJ has a totally different skillset than their guards.
All our tiny guards do the exact same thing with the exact same weaknesses. They have a bunch of guards that do different things, but none that can do everything offensively that they need.
 
RoCo, CJ, Powell should be traded for “Big” pieces. Draft Ivey with the 4/5 pick(hopefully) and roll with a Dame/Ant/Ivey guard rotation.
 
Predator said:
CJ has a totally different skillset than their guards.
All our tiny guards do the exact same thing with the exact same weaknesses. They have a bunch of guards that do different things, but none that can do everything offensively that they need.
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If CJ is a contenders offensive answer than I guess we will see him traded to a contender for a decent return?
I dont think CJ is anymore lethal than Curry to be honest and he plays better D. Plus I dont see him getting as many shots in Philly with the front court scoring they have and at the guard position.
We'll see before long. Neil thought the same thing he's a contenders difference maker.
 
wizenheimer said:
I can see "building around" a Lebron or a Durant or a Giannis or a Curry or a Dame. Those are all NBA franchise talents that can be at the core of a team. Ant and Nas are not all-NBA talents; they are not franchise players. Not yet and probably not ever. Putting them at the very core and saying "let's fill in around their talent with complementary pieces"....which is the same as 'building around'...sure looks like just another path to mediocrity

I mean...would you, or would you not trade Ant and Nas for Giannis? Is Dame on an entirely different tier of talent than CJ or Powell or RoCo or Nance? What near-term (the next 2-3 seasons) advantage does Ant + Nas have over Dame + Ant + Nas?
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Giannis JUST turned 27. That's a massive difference from a 31 year old Dame. So you're saying we should run it back with the pint-sized twins? Just this time replacing CJ with Ant? That has worked SO WELL for us over the last six years or so. I'm not saying that Ant or Nas are superstars, but we could potentially trade Dame for someone at another non-guard position that could grow into a 1A to Simons 1B.

Simons and Nas are nice pieces to start a rebuild. You move Dame/CJ/Powell/Nurk/RoCo for other picks and young talent on the same timeline.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Giannis JUST turned 27. That's a massive difference from a 31 year old Dame. So you're saying we should run it back with the pint-sized twins? Just this time replacing CJ with Ant? That has worked SO WELL for us over the last six years or so. I'm not saying that Ant or Nas are superstars, but we could potentially trade Dame for someone at another non-guard position that could grow into a 1A to Simons 1B.

Simons and Nas are nice pieces to start a rebuild. You move Dame/CJ/Powell/Nurk/RoCo for other picks and young talent on the same timeline.
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not what I'm saying. What I am saying is don't trade Dame, and that Simons is not anywhere close to reason enough to think otherwise
 
If Joe isn't able to get something done before deadline?
We have assets that should be tradable, right?
 
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