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I would stay away if it will cost us our first rounder.

We just tanked so fucking hard. We need something substantial for this lost year and Simmons is not reliable enough for me.

He costs too much for the risk.
 
I’m thinking we trade out of the draft for Grant. We use our trade exception and sign Marcus Smart. Between Dame, Ant and Smart at guards with Grant, Hart and Nas at wing… we then have to sign a vet PF and re-sign Nurk - makes us pretty tough
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
I’m thinking we trade out of the draft for Grant. We use our trade exception and sign Marcus Smart. Between Dame, Ant and Smart at guards with Grant, Hart and Nas at wing… we then have to sign a vet PF and re-sign Nurk - makes us pretty tough
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If we can get Grant, we should send him to Brooklyn for Simmons if all checks out with him. Would be on Chauncey, Damian and the GM to figure that out.
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
I’m thinking we trade out of the draft for Grant. We use our trade exception and sign Marcus Smart. Between Dame, Ant and Smart at guards with Grant, Hart and Nas at wing… we then have to sign a vet PF and re-sign Nurk - makes us pretty tough
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wut?

"We use our trade exception and sign Marcus Smart"....??

Smart is signed for 4 more years after this one...with the Celtics. Can't use a TPE to sign anybody...it's called a trade exception for a reason. Can only be used in a trade. The Celtics aren't just going to give Smart to Portand

If Cronin is intending to trade a top-6 pick for Grant, and the Vulcans allow him to do it...then fuck em all
 
calvin natt said:
Agree. It’s crazy. Voluntarily adding an unreliable, unstable, $44m guy who doesn’t like basketball seems like a bad move.
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I'm not trying to troll you or anything but was there an explanation on that "quitting on his college team" thing that you were talking about? I heard Stephen A. say the same thing and I really don't know where it comes from. I know he had a shitty game his last game at LSU in the NIT but is there more to it than that?
 
blazerkor said:
I'm not trying to troll you or anything but was there an explanation on that "quitting on his college team" thing that you were talking about? I heard Stephen A. say the same thing and I really don't know where it comes from. I know he had a shitty game his last game at LSU in the NIT but is there more to it than that?
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I’m just going off memory here but I believe his team at LSU had two other pros on it and they didn’t make the NCAA tournament. They declined the NIT. Underachieving so badly and then deciding to just stop the season and not go to the NIT was giving up, and why do that? I think Simmons checked out and was done and wanted to move onto the NBA instead dealing with the NIT. Tim Quarterman I believe on that team too. Some other guy who was good. And Ben Simmons and no postseason? That sounds awfully familiar to the kind of guy we have seen the past two years.
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
I’m thinking we trade out of the draft for Grant. We use our trade exception and sign Marcus Smart. Between Dame, Ant and Smart at guards with Grant, Hart and Nas at wing… we then have to sign a vet PF and re-sign Nurk - makes us pretty tough
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Trading #6 pick for grant would be a disaster for this franchise. At that point we would’ve traded CJ, Powell, RoCo, nance, and others for Grant and Hart. Damn terrible
 
damianlillard said:
Trading #6 pick for grant would be a disaster for this franchise. At that point we would’ve traded CJ, Powell, RoCo, nance, and others for Grant and Hart. Damn terrible
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And you'd still have people posting here thinking we could be contenders.
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
I’m thinking we trade out of the draft for Grant. We use our trade exception and sign Marcus Smart. Between Dame, Ant and Smart at guards with Grant, Hart and Nas at wing… we then have to sign a vet PF and re-sign Nurk - makes us pretty tough
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Keon Johnson gets left out? I doubt the Blazers just give up on this guy.
 
It wasn't all that long ago that a few of us were saying the actual difference in the value between C.J. McCollum and Simmons wasn't as big as was perceived, and yet we still had fans talking about how we'd have to sell the farm to get the Sixers to take CJ for Simmons.

I'd think I was dreaming that except that I still see Blazers fans who say they like CJ still diminishing his impact with the Pelicans by saying it's not CJ, it's CJ playing with Ingram that makes CJ tolerable.

Meanwhile, I think just about any knowledgeable basketball executive would think you were off your gourd to trade CJ for Simmons straight up now.
 


I'm not buying that teams won't want to trade for Simmons. If Pete Davison can keep getting famous women to date him...
 
Fischer:
Any front office ousted from the first round, especially for a team that failed to win a single game, has to consider wholesale changes. Naturally, there is already speculation around the league on whether Brooklyn would entertain trading Simmons this summer. But if teams were lowballing Philadelphia to acquire Simmons, viewing him then as a distressed asset, it's hard to fathom any interested suitor offering Brooklyn the same packages after this postseason debacle.

Minnesota was considered the most aggressive team in pursuit of Simmons, but the Timberwolves have since found success elevating Anthony Edwards with more on-ball opportunities. Sacramento consistently called on Simmons, only to pivot to acquire Domantas Sabonis from Indiana. Would the Cavaliers still stomach a Simmons addition after dealing for Caris LeVert and soaring to the top of the Eastern Conference before injuries curtailed a breakout year for the franchise?

"Brooklyn just has to play it out a little bit. You don't really have a choice," one general manager told B/R. "I just don't think [Simmons] has any real trade value. He hasn't been accountable for two franchises. He hasn't played an entire season due to a back injury. How can you do a trade with the chance he reports and then says he can't play because of the back again?"
 
There were other teams that wanted Simmons so Brooklyn was dumb if they didn't see what other player or players they could have gotten in a multi team trade.
 
This is is some psychosomatic bullshit.

https://theathletic.com/3273384/2022/04/26/ben-simmons-next-whats-next/

According to sources, Simmons told those in the room that a mental block exists for him, dating in part to last summer’s postseason, which is creating stress that could serve as a trigger point for his back issues. He added that he does want to play basketball and play for the Nets as he works on solutions in regard to his well-being..

Simmons had been described as pain-free for the majority of the past month but began to cite soreness in his back on Friday, and a scheduled scrimmage was pushed back, multiple sources said. Simmons conducted two full-court scrimmages last week on Monday and Wednesday, in which there was low intensity displayed, those sources said. Throughout Simmons’ rehab, both Durant and Irving, for their part, publicly downplayed their expectations for a Simmons return and said the goal is to get him healthy.

Simmons had another workout on Saturday, after which Nash said Simmons had no issues. On Sunday, Simmons informed the team his back was sore. For Nets players, the confusion was not centered around Simmons’ ailment, but with the perceived lack of attempt to play, effort to be in uniform and push his body in these high-stakes playoffs, sources said. Nets players and coaches wanted to see Simmons show resolve and enter this series to start his on-court Brooklyn tenure, even if it was for limited minutes on Monday or none at all while still dressing for the game.

 
illmatic99 said:
This is is some psychosomatic bullshit.

https://theathletic.com/3273384/2022/04/26/ben-simmons-next-whats-next/

According to sources, Simmons told those in the room that a mental block exists for him, dating in part to last summer’s postseason, which is creating stress that could serve as a trigger point for his back issues. He added that he does want to play basketball and play for the Nets as he works on solutions in regard to his well-being..

Simmons had been described as pain-free for the majority of the past month but began to cite soreness in his back on Friday, and a scheduled scrimmage was pushed back, multiple sources said. Simmons conducted two full-court scrimmages last week on Monday and Wednesday, in which there was low intensity displayed, those sources said. Throughout Simmons’ rehab, both Durant and Irving, for their part, publicly downplayed their expectations for a Simmons return and said the goal is to get him healthy.

Simmons had another workout on Saturday, after which Nash said Simmons had no issues. On Sunday, Simmons informed the team his back was sore. For Nets players, the confusion was not centered around Simmons’ ailment, but with the perceived lack of attempt to play, effort to be in uniform and push his body in these high-stakes playoffs, sources said. Nets players and coaches wanted to see Simmons show resolve and enter this series to start his on-court Brooklyn tenure, even if it was for limited minutes on Monday or none at all while still dressing for the game.
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Must be nice, sitting on fat stacks of cash for doing absolutely nothing. What a baby.
 
illmatic99 said:
Fischer:
Any front office ousted from the first round, especially for a team that failed to win a single game, has to consider wholesale changes. Naturally, there is already speculation around the league on whether Brooklyn would entertain trading Simmons this summer. But if teams were lowballing Philadelphia to acquire Simmons, viewing him then as a distressed asset, it's hard to fathom any interested suitor offering Brooklyn the same packages after this postseason debacle.

Minnesota was considered the most aggressive team in pursuit of Simmons, but the Timberwolves have since found success elevating Anthony Edwards with more on-ball opportunities. Sacramento consistently called on Simmons, only to pivot to acquire Domantas Sabonis from Indiana. Would the Cavaliers still stomach a Simmons addition after dealing for Caris LeVert and soaring to the top of the Eastern Conference before injuries curtailed a breakout year for the franchise?

"Brooklyn just has to play it out a little bit. You don't really have a choice," one general manager told B/R. "I just don't think [Simmons] has any real trade value. He hasn't been accountable for two franchises. He hasn't played an entire season due to a back injury. How can you do a trade with the chance he reports and then says he can't play because of the back again?"
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Brooklyn would give him up in a heartbeat if they could get Jerami Grant back. I'm not sure Portland would be interested, but if they were, they could give minimal assets to Detroit to get out from Grant, he can be sent to Brooklyn and Simmons could take Portland. It's a big risk considering the massive amounts of money owed to the guy for the next 3 seasons. It's a thought though.
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
I’m thinking we trade out of the draft for Grant. We use our trade exception and sign Marcus Smart. Between Dame, Ant and Smart at guards with Grant, Hart and Nas at wing… we then have to sign a vet PF and re-sign Nurk - makes us pretty tough
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I doubt Boston would want to lose Marcus Smart.
Tatum & Brown may get the headlines, but that is Marcus Smarts' team.
Would love to see him in a Blazer uni, but no effing way the Celts part with him.
 
illmatic99 said:
This is is some psychosomatic bullshit.

https://theathletic.com/3273384/2022/04/26/ben-simmons-next-whats-next/

According to sources, Simmons told those in the room that a mental block exists for him, dating in part to last summer’s postseason, which is creating stress that could serve as a trigger point for his back issues. He added that he does want to play basketball and play for the Nets as he works on solutions in regard to his well-being..

Simmons had been described as pain-free for the majority of the past month but began to cite soreness in his back on Friday, and a scheduled scrimmage was pushed back, multiple sources said. Simmons conducted two full-court scrimmages last week on Monday and Wednesday, in which there was low intensity displayed, those sources said. Throughout Simmons’ rehab, both Durant and Irving, for their part, publicly downplayed their expectations for a Simmons return and said the goal is to get him healthy.

Simmons had another workout on Saturday, after which Nash said Simmons had no issues. On Sunday, Simmons informed the team his back was sore. For Nets players, the confusion was not centered around Simmons’ ailment, but with the perceived lack of attempt to play, effort to be in uniform and push his body in these high-stakes playoffs, sources said. Nets players and coaches wanted to see Simmons show resolve and enter this series to start his on-court Brooklyn tenure, even if it was for limited minutes on Monday or none at all while still dressing for the game.
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that is next level evasion for sure. My wife sure as hell wouldn't let me skate out of responsibilities like that....and I've tried next level evasion for decades

at the same time, it's certainly becoming more and more credible that Simmons may have some real-world mental problems
 
It seems like Simmons is scared of expectations to perform. The only solution is for him, short of a complete mental 180, to play for a bad team that's perpetually out of the playoff hunt. (Admittedly, that's extremely difficult to accomplish now with the PIT format. We hardcore tanked and were still in contention until late.) The problem there is his contract. Those types of teams won't see nearly that much value in him.
 
I wonder if any of his recent behavior is trying to provide evidence his mental health issues are real; so he can get that $20 million settlement from the 6ers?
 
"According to sources, Simmons told those in the room that a mental block exists for him, dating in part to last summer’s postseason, which is creating stress that could serve as a trigger point for his back issues. He added that he does want to play basketball and play for the Nets as he works on solutions in regard to his well-being.."

Hmm if I am a Nets fans I would be wondering why they traded away Harden mid-season for a guy who did not want to play this season.
I would also question Simmon's agent for not being upfront with the Nets. Did he not know or was he not asked?

Edit: Looking at Harden's player option for next year at 47 million, maybe the Nets just wanted to get rid of him?
 
Wade Garrett said:
I doubt Boston would want to lose Marcus Smart.
Tatum & Brown may get the headlines, but that is Marcus Smarts' team.
Would love to see him in a Blazer uni, but no effing way the Celts part with him.
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Thought he was an UFA but I see he signed
 
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