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I think Miller will be fine. Mid-way through the season, I think he will be a valuable asset to this team with what he brings. I'm proud of this team, but i'm sad at LMA. Bayless did well but there just isn't a lot of time for him. There really needs to be a consolidation trade because when everyone is healthy, we really have 12 players that should all be getting playing time (I'm including Juwan Howard because I think he would help us).

As for the starting lineup, get Rudy in there rather than Blake, or Webster in there rather than Blake. But hey, we won, i'm not going to complain other than to say i'm not a fan.

B-Roy said:
Hubie kinda....never really knows what he's talking about.
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noknobs said:
No, I think you're thinking of yourself.
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Gee, didn't see that one coming.
 
MrJayremmie said:
As for the starting lineup, get Rudy in there rather than Blake, or Webster in there rather than Blake. But hey, we won, i'm not going to complain other than to say i'm not a fan.
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Guys, Do you think Rudy or Webster can try to stay in front of Parker? I do not. Blake is far from a great defender - but it's him or Bayless as our best trying to stop quick guards - Miller really seems like he lost a step on defense in this regard - maybe it will come back as the year progresses and he gets into better game shape - but at this moment in time - if a team has a quick guard - it's Bayless or Blake - and it is clear that Nate does not trust JB to start, yet.
 
Guys, Do you think Rudy or Webster can try to stay in front of Parker? I do not. Blake is far from a great defender - but it's him or Bayless as our best trying to stop quick guards - Miller really seems like he lost a step on defense in this regard - maybe it will come back as the year progresses and he gets into better game shape - but at this moment in time - if a team has a quick guard - it's Bayless or Blake - and it is clear that Nate does not trust JB to start, yet.
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Well, in that lineup, I'd have Miller with Parker (him or Blake couldn't really stay in front of him either way) and then instead of Blake at the 2, I'd have Rudy in there if you want to go that route. Also, you could move Roy to the 2 and put Webster at the 3 (so pretty much start Miller over Blake in the regular lineup).

But like I said, this lineup is 1-0. So I'm not complaining, just thought I'd put my input in there. Blake played heavy minutes, probably more than I would have played him, but he did will. That is why Nate is the coach and I'm not. I'd be a terrible coach.
 
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VanillaGorilla said:
NBA players have access to courts everyday, I would assume he has tried to work on it at least a little bit, but it still doesn't work. My dad, who never played a minute of organized basketball in his life, could probably hit as many wide open three's as Miller. And I know I could hit more. I know of course he is better than me at everything else by A LOT. But an NBA point guard should be able to shoot better than that.
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I can shoot free throws better than a number of NBA players, past and present. What does that mean, that all those NBA players (including Hall of Famers) are frauds? Shooting has an innate aspect, not just a practiced one. There's no question that all these players have shot tons of them in practice...that doesn't mean they'll be world class at it, anymore than a brilliant musician is assured of becoming a world class singer with enough practice despite understanding music at a high level.

The other aspect, of course, is pressure. When I shoot free throws (or when your dad shoots three-pointers), there's no pressure on the shot. Defensive or environmental.
 
andalusian said:
Last night Blake did a nice job of staying in front of Parker for the 11 minutes Parker was in.
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He did. But the team defense as a whole was much better last night. Many times the Spurs were only able to beat the defense by superior ball movement and getting a shot near the end of the clock, and many times it wasn't the shot they wanted. I thought Blake had his best game of the season so far last night.
 
hasoos said:
He did. But the team defense as a whole was much better last night. Many times the Spurs were only able to beat the defense by superior ball movement and getting a shot near the end of the clock, and many times it wasn't the shot they wanted. I thought Blake had his best game of the season so far last night.
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I am re-watching the first quarter right now - and Parker's only field goal was when Miller was actually on him.

Again - let's keep things in perspective - Blake has tons of nights when he is burned by quick guards - but I still think that he is a better option defensively then Miller, based on what we have seen so far this year, against the quick guards.

If the other team has a quick point-guard, and Bayless has not shown he can start yet - I would not be surprised to see Blake continue to get the 1st stint, for this purpose.
 
I am watching the 2nd quarter again now - you know where Miller was good defensively last night? On Manu. He really did a nice job containing him.
 
andalusian said:
I am re-watching the first quarter right now - and Parker's only field goal was when Miller was actually on him.

Again - let's keep things in perspective - Blake has tons of nights when he is burned by quick guards - but I still think that he is a better option defensively then Miller, based on what we have seen so far this year, against the quick guards.

If the other team has a quick point-guard, and Bayless has not shown he can start yet - I would not be surprised to see Blake continue to get the 1st stint, for this purpose.
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I really don't expect many guards to stay in front of the better NBA point guards. What I do expect is that they will funnel them to help in a good way, so the bigs have a good angle of attack, and can use the baseline as a 3rd defender. I have always viewed it that if you have an outstanding offensive player to deal with, the best way to get at them is to attack them on the offensive end so they have to work on both ends of the floor. That way when the 4th quarter rolls around, maybe they don't have enough legs left to make shots/plays for their team. If you are fortunate you may get them in foul trouble as well.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Definitely. Bayless with 12 minutes a night where he's the centerpiece on offense could really be exactly what the 2nd unit needs.
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If that's the case, then shouldn't Nate play Blake with Bayless on the second unit and start Rudy in the three-guard lineup instead of Blake? Bayless as PG isn't going to get the ball to Rudy or Martell when they are open anyway.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
I still find it ridiculous that after 4 years in college, and 11 years in the NBA, Andre Miller still can't shoot long range. I mean seriously, how does this happen?
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I said the exact same thing at the game. It's a real mystery. :dunno:
 
BBert said:
I said the exact same thing at the game. It's a real mystery. :dunno:
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Some people just can't develop parts of their games. I don't hold this against Miller.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
I still find it ridiculous that after 4 years in college, and 11 years in the NBA, Andre Miller still can't shoot long range. I mean seriously, how does this happen?
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Sorta like how Steve Blake can't run a fast break as an NBA PG. I mean how does this happen?
 
I agree it will be difficult to maintain the 3-guard set long-term. What's strange is whilst Blake was somewhat demoted, his minutes went sky high.

Still, it's amazing how everyone keeps ripping Blake. With Miller and Roy complaining, nobody is crying much about them. Blake is doing whatever is asked without complaint. If you don't like the lineups, pin that on the coaching staff.

I have no problem with Blake coming off of the bench IF:
-Roy and Miller can co-exist. The only really good assist to Roy in this game was the alley oop from Blake - funny how nobody seems to remember that one; just the one from Rudy to LMA. Roy still seems uncomfortable w/o the ball.

-Webster (or Rudy) can hit the perimeter shots. Right now, Webs is at .353 and Rudy is an appalling .261. My vote is for Webster.

-The assists go up significantly. The overall assist numbers are still low. Miller would have to get a high-assist amount, like he used to.

I have little concern with Blake playing on the 2nd unit. In fact, while at Denver, he was able to play successfully with AI in the backcourt. Re-read the previous sentence. However, one small concern is neither Rudy nor Blake are interested much in the paint - they're mainly perimeter shooters. Who will attack the paint besides Outlaw?
 
VanillaGorilla said:
That is completely different, at least in my opinion.
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For a point guard? You're right. Being able to run the break or penetrate a defense to set up your teammates is a much more imporant skill than being able to hit a jumper.
 
southnc said:
Still, it's amazing how everyone keeps ripping Blake. With Miller and Roy complaining, nobody is crying much about them. Blake is doing whatever is asked without complaint. If you don't like the lineups, pin that on the coaching staff.
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Blake is the ultimate team player. He's just not that good (as a starter).
 
Nikolokolus said:
For a point guard? You're right. Being able to run the break or penetrate a defense to set up your teammates is a much more imporant skill than being able to hit a jumper.
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For what I'm talking about, how important it is has nothing to do with it.
 
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