Rumor SPURS TO TRADE LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE TO PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS, DEMAR DEROZAN TO MIAMI HEAT

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We need to blow this team up and see what we can put around Dame. Everyone else is on the table.
 
LayneStaley said:
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Yes. We already saw what Stotts can do with Aldridge. Nothing will change as long as we have Stotts.

Moderators, the thread title is a lie. You should modify it, like by adding "Speculation about..." or "Article promotes..."
 
Regardless of whether the Spurs would actually move Aldridge for nothing I just think it's the wrong direction for the team.

What the Blazers need are two way wings that can switch on defense. They don't even need to be good offensively, they just need to not be a non-factor. Ariza is good. Aldridge (and Mel0), who's value comes mostly on the offensive end, are just the wrong direction IMO.
 
B-Roy said:
Regardless of whether the Spurs would actually move Aldridge for nothing I just think it's the wrong direction for the team.

What the Blazers need are two way wings that can switch on defense. They don't even need to be good offensively, they just need to not be a non-factor. Ariza is good. Aldridge (and Mel0), who's value comes mostly on the offensive end, are just the wrong direction IMO.
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As long as LeBron and AD are in LA and have Howard at C, the title goes through LA and small ball isn't going to get it done. Besides, the Blazers would have Ariza, Hood, Little, Trent, and Hoard to throw in on small units against teams where that's needed.
 
e_blazer said:
The trade is Hassan on a 3-year $20M contract with only the first year guaranteed, plus the Blazers #16 first round draft pick for LMA's remaining one year deal.

I'm saying that you can pair LMA with either Collins or Melo and the same with Nurk. Guys are going to have to be on board with getting minutes and not worrying about who's starting. Either Aldridge buys in on that or it's not going to happen.
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Besides luxury tax implication... fuck it if LMA was on board to come off the bench and be like our 5th or 6th scoring option and we could confirm that without tampering and San Antonio wanted to pay Hassan 20 million dollars even for one season then sure, sign me up but understand all of those things are completely unrealistic... I mean every part of that scenario is incredibly unlikely. When LaMarcus says he would want to play with Dame again he's saying he would do that as the Robin to Dame's Batman not as Captain Atom in a Justice League where Dame is Superman, if you think otherwise then I don't think you've been paying attention to LaMarcus for the last 14 years... including the last three or four.

Actually wait... I'm not sure it's worth the 16th pick. Make it our second rounder this year and two other second rounders in the future and all of that other shit and then I'm in.
 
e_blazer said:
As long as LeBron and AD are in LA and have Howard at C, the title goes through LA and small ball isn't going to get it done. Besides, the Blazers would have Ariza, Hood, Little, Trent, and Hoard to throw in on small units against teams where that's needed.
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Don't think the Lakers are the presumptuous favorites, and even if they were, you need someone to guard LeBron first.

That list you just gave is a horrendously sad poo poo platter of wings. Ariza is good but getting older, Trent is good but he's not guarding bigger 3s and 4s. Hood was never a good defender and coming off injury. Little.....they used a first round pick on a long term project but he better start producing soon. Hoard I'm not even going to start. We were close to the worst defensive team in the league with these guys.

Over Stott's tenure, the only time he's had a decent defensive team were the Batum/Matthews days and one year with Harkless/Aminu. I suggest following that model as long as Dame/CJ are your starting backcourt playing 35+ MPG per game.
 
blazerkor said:
Besides luxury tax implication... fuck it if LMA was on board to come off the bench and be like our 5th or 6th scoring option and we could confirm that without tampering and San Antonio wanted to pay Hassan 20 million dollars even for one season then sure, sign me up but understand all of those things are completely unrealistic... I mean every part of that scenario is incredibly unlikely. When LaMarcus says he would want to play with Dame again he's saying he would do that as the Robin to Dame's Batman not as Captain Atom in a Justice League where Dame is Superman, if you think otherwise then I don't think you've been paying attention to LaMarcus for the last 14 years... including the last three or four.

Actually wait... I'm not sure it's worth the 16th pick. Make it our second rounder this year and two other second rounders in the future and all of that other shit and then I'm in.
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Not sure how it's completely unrealistic to offer the Spurs, who want to go into a complete rebuild, the opportunity to save $4 million, get a first round pick, and lose more games. You know, we've all seen deals happen around the NBA that people would have said would never happen. Perhaps we should be a bit less quick to use the "that's completely unrealistic tag" when none of us message board geeks have the first idea as to what's realistic. Teams do things for a variety of reasons. How "realistic" was it for the Blazers to dump Clyde for basically squat?
 
e_blazer said:
You think that they'd rather pay $24M to LA? They save $4 million and get the Blazer's first round pick.
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Yes because they could get back more useful players than Whiteside and a 1st round pick.

When have you ever heard of a team overpaying a free agent in order to trade someone to that fee agents former team? Its never happened. It doesnt work like that.
 
Natebishop3 said:
We need to blow this team up and see what we can put around Dame. Everyone else is on the table.
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I agree to a certain point but we would need to get a helluva lot to give up Nurk or Gary... they're just too good already especially at complementing Dame, have way too much upside and are both on really good contracts (I realize that is relative to what we can get Gary to agree to going forward). Everyone else should definitely be on the block and probably moved... I mean Zach is on a good contract too for a back up big but if we can get solid value for him, I'd trade him in a heartbeat too. Just Dame obviously and then Nurk and Gary... those would be the guys I would keep and build everything else around. Obviously we would also keep guys like Nas and re-sign Wenyen on a cheap deal if there weren't better options but other than all of that, if I were pulling the trigger I wouldn't want anyone else that's on this roster to be here next season, just get me all of the value you can that fits with Dame from everyone else.

Really when I look at it though, what does that mean, blow it up? Doesn't it really just mean trade CJ? Get stuff that fits around Dame for CJ and some other guys thrown in to sweeten or make salaries match. Basically lets stop this Dame/CJ nonsense and do something that makes sense.
 
We could possibly be facing a season without ticket sales played bubble style in a couple locations again..the economics for the NBA are going to face the same issues that music concerts and movie theaters will face....indoor entertainment for public viewing may not be possible at all....cutting cost now is the name of the game..I think they'll revisit the CBA going into next season without much choice....
 
riverman said:
We could possibly be facing a season without ticket sales played bubble style in a couple locations again..the economics for the NBA are going to face the same issues that music concerts and movie theaters will face....indoor entertainment for public viewing may not be possible at all....cutting cost now is the name of the game..I think they'll revisit the CBA going into next season without much choice....
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Which is just another reason why this Whiteside for Aldridge thing wont happen.
 
riverman said:
We could possibly be facing a season without ticket sales played bubble style in a couple locations again..the economics for the NBA are going to face the same issues that music concerts and movie theaters will face....indoor entertainment for public viewing may not be possible at all....cutting cost now is the name of the game..I think they'll revisit the CBA going into next season without much choice....
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Yeah the league now has until October 15th to decide that they will definitely terminate the CBA.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...back-window-preserving-cba-termination-rights
 
This doesn't excite me, nor does it enrage me. It all would depend on what we were giving up to make it happen and how it affected cap flexibility.

LA's game at 35 isn't a perfect fit here anymore, but he's still a talented scorer and his ability to produce on the low block is a market inefficiency that I think has value. An occasional lineup of Dame, CJ, Melo, LA and Nurk would be a nightmare to defend, practically impossible because all 5 guys are threats to score at multiple levels and require help defenders. Of course, the trade off is it would be such a weak defensive five, I don't think you could play it in any lengthy spurts ... which means you still need some really quality depth to take advantage of it.
 
BonesJones said:
Yes because they could get back more useful players than Whiteside and a 1st round pick.

When have you ever heard of a team overpaying a free agent in order to trade someone to that fee agents former team? Its never happened. It doesnt work like that.
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Only true if LA is wanting to re-sign with the team they trade him to. When was the last time you heard of a team giving up a bunch of assets for a one-year rental of an aging star that they are going to have to pay $24M to and then watch him walk away the next year? I would say it doesn’t work like that. Kawhi for a title run? Sure. LA at this point in his career? Nope. He gets traded somewhere else only if it’s more appealing than his promised return to the Blazers.

I think the biggest potential wrench in the idea is the luxury tax implications, and nobody knows what those are yet.
 
Tim Duncan took a pretty big paycut to allow San Antonio to bring Manu Ginobli back to the Spurs.....there are examples of this sort of sacrifice....anything is possible and at any rate...it's a break from other threads to speculate about....which is all this thread is...speculation
 
riverman said:
We could possibly be facing a season without ticket sales played bubble style in a couple locations again..the economics for the NBA are going to face the same issues that music concerts and movie theaters will face....indoor entertainment for public viewing may not be possible at all....cutting cost now is the name of the game..I think they'll revisit the CBA going into next season without much choice....
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I really doubt that’s the plan for next season. I see all NBA players and staff getting early vaccinations around the first of the year so there isn’t much chance of players getting sick. I think socially distanced home arenas with just a few thousand people attending, probably in masks, is the likely course of action.
 
PCmor7 said:
This doesn't excite me, nor does it enrage me. It all would depend on what we were giving up to make it happen and how it affected cap flexibility.

LA's game at 35 isn't a perfect fit here anymore, but he's still a talented scorer and his ability to produce on the low block is a market inefficiency that I think has value. An occasional lineup of Dame, CJ, Melo, LA and Nurk would be a nightmare to defend, practically impossible because all 5 guys are threats to score at multiple levels and require help defenders. Of course, the trade off is it would be such a weak defensive five, I don't think you could play it in any lengthy spurts ... which means you still need some really quality depth to take advantage of it.
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Not to mention that the only player in that offensive lineup that has shown themselves to be selfless throughout their career is Dame and he's the most efficient of all of those guys to have the ball. CJ has never said things that make him look selfish but has always been selfish on the floor. Melo is Melo and although he is different now... I just don't know if he would be cool being the fifth option, I think his newly found humility and great attitude would shift but I could be wrong on that one. LMA might not voice his displeasure but it's a guarantee that his game would suffer when he undoubtedly became frustrated with his dropping usage. I love Nurk but he has shown in his career that he doesn't want to be looked at as less than... I think this would affect him too. Dame would be fine mentally and that might be the biggest problem, the guy already gives CJ too many possessions where CJ's the man and it would be more effective for Dame to run the offense and be the first option... what would Dame do in this situation (probably do what he needed to keep his teammates happy and give his best effort which would be a misuse of his talents and skills).
 
e_blazer said:
I really doubt that’s the plan for next season. I see all NBA players and staff getting early vaccinations around the first of the year so there isn’t much chance of players getting sick. I think socially distanced home arenas with just a few thousand people attending, probably in masks, is the likely course of action.
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If 3000 people attend NBA games that would be 17% of usual NBA live attendance revenue. Live attendance revenue accounts for more than 40% of total NBA revenue. That means the NBA would be missing around 1/3 of their revenue... no business can survive that. Even if they cut the player's salaries by 1/3 which I doubt the players would be down for if they're playing the same amount of games on contracts that are already guaranteed... but even if the players did, that doesn't cut one third of cost, it still costs the same to open up those arena's 42 times per season. That's not to mention that so many experts are saying that those vaccinations that will be available at the beginning of the year A. won't necessarily be safe because so many steps were skipped in development and B. are just half of the vaccine. On multiple levels, your model just doesn't work either, is what I'm saying.
 
blazerkor said:
If 3000 people attend NBA games that would be 17% of usual NBA live attendance revenue. Live attendance revenue accounts for more than 40% of total NBA revenue. That means the NBA would be missing around 1/3 of their revenue... no business can survive that. Even if they cut the player's salaries by 1/3 which I doubt the players would be down for if they're playing the same amount of games on contracts that area already guaranteed... but even if the players did, that doesn't cut one third of cost, it still costs the same to open up those arena's 42 times per season. That's not to mention that so many experts are saying that those vaccinations that will be available at the beginning of the year A. won't necessarily be safe because so many steps were skipped in development and B. are just half of the vaccine. On multiple levels, your model just doesn't work either, is what I'm saying.
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And you think the bubble model does? It’s fantastically expensive and keeps players bottled up for an entire season. That is not a model that has any chance for more than a short time like we’re seeing to end this season.

Your comments on vaccines are similarly off base.
 
e_blazer said:
And you think the bubble model does? It’s fantastically expensive and keeps players bottled up for an entire season. That is not a model that has any chance for more than a short time like we’re seeing to end this season.
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No fucking way... it's a far worse model than yours. That model makes playing the games more expensive than yours does and it provides zero live attendance revenue instead of 1/3. I think the CBA is getting ripped up and I think the next NBA season may be canceled. I don't know if that will ruin the NBA or not but it will definitely hurt mid to low level players in ways that will leave them in financial despair. The answer like so many other answers to this pandemic and it's economic fallout just isn't there but people smarter than me make things work... usually.
 
I think we will never see the travel and schedule the NBA has grown used to again.....they could easily have division bubbles where you win your division and move on to the conference bubble...etc....keeping players in a bubble for several weeks ....break....then the next one. There are too many unknowns to discount any scenario but I think it'll be different and I don't think it will be weekly travel for teams around the country. I know we don't want to think in terms of this continuing but it more than likely will for at least the upcoming season
 
blazerkor said:
No fucking way... it's a far worse model than yours. That model makes playing the games more expensive than yours does and it provides zero live attendance revenue instead of 1/3. I think the CBA is getting ripped up and I think the next NBA season may be canceled. I don't know if that will ruin the NBA or not but it will definitely hurt mid to low level players in ways that will leave them in financial despair. The answer like so many other answers to this pandemic and it's economic fallout just isn't there but people smarter than me make things work... usually.
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I certainly don’t have any answers, but I think they will find a way to play. Part of any entertainment business is keeping the audience excited. Losing an entire season would be a killer. I still think starting the way I said is likely, with restrictions lifted as more people are vaccinated. If the vaccines don’t work, we’re all pretty much screwed anyway.
 
riverman said:
Tim Duncan took a pretty big paycut to allow San Antonio to bring Manu Ginobli back to the Spurs.....there are examples of this sort of sacrifice....anything is possible and at any rate...it's a break from other threads to speculate about....which is all this thread is...speculation
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Just for the record, Aldridge is still under contract next year. So the off season after this next season would be where this scenario could play out.

Definitely a possibility in the 2021 off season!
 
I'm not sure id want to give up the 16th pick for one season of Aldridge.....

I could see this type of trade happening though. Whiteside gets $20mil. SAS save salary and gets a pick. Blazers get Aldridge. Id think as someone else posted the luxury tax rules could certainly impact this.

Dame Simons
CJ Trent
Ariza Little
LMA Melo
Nurk Collins

A big defensive wing SF/PF as we had in Aminu or Harkless would be the main other addition I'd want. Also a 3rd string PG.
 
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