Rumor SPURS TO TRADE LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE TO PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS, DEMAR DEROZAN TO MIAMI HEAT

[KSF-ERIC]

Just for the record, Aldridge is still under contract next year. So the off season after this next season would be where this scenario could play out.

Definitely a possibility in the 2021 off season!

People are talking trade, not FA. I personally think Aldridge would’ve helped us matchup with AD.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Yes because they could get back more useful players than Whiteside and a 1st round pick.

When have you ever heard of a team overpaying a free agent in order to trade someone to that fee agents former team? Its never happened. It doesnt work like that.

Its not a guarantee that Aldridge is worth more to a 3rd team than cap savings and a mid first round pick. Perhaps you are right in your guess of such. We will ultimately see his value if Aldridge is traded.

Many Blazers fans would argue a Whiteside and pick is overpaying for Aldridge.

If you believe Aldridge clearly has higher value than that, I guess the Blazers could throw in a second first round pick.

There is some sort of middle ground where the cost to the Blazers and value to Spurs may meet, that is where a trade would happen.

 

[AldoTrapani]

Honestly I always thought Pops would have gotten more out of LMA skillswise.

You don’t think he did? They got to the western conference finals with him, he has couple all star appearances, what else can he do

 

[SharpesTriumph]

On the Miami front I totally could see them targeting Derozen as option 2 this summer. They have cap to spend with no good free agents this summer, but don't want to lock up contracts beyond one season out of dreams of signing Giannis or such in 2021.

Obviously their focus is on the playoffs right now though.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

You don’t think he did? They got to the western conference finals with him, he has couple all star appearances, what else can he do

Win a playoff series last year? Make playoffs this year?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Win a playoff series last year? Make playoffs this year?

Are you saying you think that was a failing on Pop?

I think we just saw the max out of LMA, there isn't some magical untapped abilities a coach is holding back.

Honestly Stotts wasn't terribly different in what he got out of LMA from Pop. We never saw some LaMonster MVP that some posters feared when he left to SAS.

Now his prime is well behind him, I'm not sure he's even a fulltime starter.

 

[B-Roy]

Are you saying you think that was a failing on Pop?

I think we just saw the max out of LMA, there isn't some magical untapped abilities a coach is holding back.

Honestly Stotts wasn't terribly different in what he got out of LMA from Pop. We never saw some LaMonster MVP that some posters feared when he left to SAS.

Now his prime is well behind him, I'm not sure he's even a fulltime starter.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01.html

He's been a quite a bit more efficient under Pop. Even had a year at 25 PER.

Calling him a bench player is quite the stretch assuming he doesn't drop off a cliff next year. I'd love to have a 20/8 on 20 PER as a starter, but I do think his best and only position at this point is as a center.

 

[LayneStaley]

He is a Center but I will say the Nurk/LA Twin Towers would be much more effective than what we were forced to watch with Nurk/HW.

 

[B-Roy]

He is a Center but I will say the Nurk/LA Twin Towers would be much more effective than what we were forced to watch with Nurk/HW.

If Nurk/Whiteside is the standard we compare things to then we can forget about winning a championship.

Hell I think Nurk and Ed Davis would be better than the Nurk/Whiteside shitshow.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Anyone who thinks we'll trade for Aldridge this summer including the agent spreading this info is a major face palm.

I dont think we will get any one specific player... odds are always against that. But I'd say Aldridge is certainly on the list of 10-20 or so players where trade possibilities could happen if other possible events happen first.

Its stupid to say an Aldridge trade for sure will happen. It's also stupid to say for sure it won't happen.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

People are talking trade, not FA. I personally think Aldridge would’ve helped us matchup with AD.

Yeah I'd much rather have had LMA than Wenyen 6 fouls in 4 minutes Gabriel.

The Whiteside Nurk pairing was fun for a few minutes but seemed like more of a joke.

 

[PDXFonz]

I saw this thread and expected it to be some “who dat” website... Turns out that’s the case.

But still I opened it wondering if it would be like “oh shhhhhiitttt, okay here it is” because I can honestly see LMA back in a Blazers Jersey w/ Dame.

I can all but guarantee you that there is a Part of LA which wonders what it would be like if he had stayed here.

 

[hoopsjock]

People are talking trade, not FA. I personally think Aldridge would’ve helped us matchup with AD.

I know what people are talking about. It won't happen via trade. Aldridge makes too much for us to realistically match his salary in a trade because we don't have a lot of tradeable contracts.

Anyone saying sign-and-trade Whiteside doesn't understand how sign-and-trades work.

 

[hoopsjock]

I dont think we will get any one specific player... odds are always against that. But I'd say Aldridge is certainly on the list of 10-20 or so players where trade possibilities could happen if other possible events happen first.

Its stupid to say an Aldridge trade for sure will happen. It's also stupid to say for sure it won't happen.

No it's not, we literally don't have the right contracts to trade for him without gutting the entire team or trading CJ or Nurk.

We can't sign-and-trade Whiteside to another team like is being suggested here.

So yes I can say with absolute certainty that we will not trade for Aldridge this summer.

 

[B-Roy]

No it's not, we literally don't have the right contracts to trade for him without gutting the entire team or trading CJ or Nurk.

We can't sign-and-trade Whiteside to another team like is being suggested here.

So yes I can say with absolute certainty that we will not trade for Aldridge this summer.

Ariza + Hood or Zach + any one of Mario/Little/Simons actually works.

 

[hoopsjock]

Ariza + Hood or Zach + any one of Mario/Little/Simons actually works.

You must of missed the part about gutting the team.

 

[e_blazer]

No it's not, we literally don't have the right contracts to trade for him without gutting the entire team or trading CJ or Nurk.

We can't sign-and-trade Whiteside to another team like is being suggested here.

So yes I can say with absolute certainty that we will not trade for Aldridge this summer.

Why do you say we can’t sign-and-trade Whiteside for him? It looks to me like all of the conditions in the CBA FAQ are met. Am I missing something?

 

[BonesJones]

 

[B-Roy]

You must of missed the part about gutting the team.

Are we gutting it though? Ariza + Hood + Little played about none of the seeding games + playoffs. Simons and Mario were net negatives every time they touched the court. Really doesn't seem like we lose a lot to me.

I'm not arguing that we should trade for Aldridge, but the idea that it's impossible.....I don't agree with that.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Ariza + Hood or Zach + any one of Mario/Little/Simons actually works.

You are correct, Ariza Hood Mario works.

https://tradenba.com/trades/zJLlEIVfr

I consider Hood and Mario worthless, maybe Ariza legal troubles end up being something the jail Blazers dont want.

 

[BonesJones]

Are we gutting it though? Ariza + Hood + Little played about none of the seeding games + playoffs. Simons and Mario were net negatives every time they touched the court. Really doesn't seem like we lose a lot to me.

I'm not arguing that we should trade for Aldridge, but the idea that it's impossible.....I don't agree with that.

So after seeing the lack of perimeter defense, people want to trade our two big, all-around wings for a 35 year old C and play him at PF? Olshey isn't that dumb.

 

[hoopsjock]

Why do you say we can’t sign-and-trade Whiteside for him? It looks to me like all of the conditions in the CBA FAQ are met. Am I missing something?

Yeah, you don't "trade" your own free agents in a sign-and-trade. Another team has to agree with Whiteside on the parameters of a contract before even knowing if Portland would want to trade.

So all of these things would have to happen in this exact order:

SA pursues Whiteside in free agency.

SA wants to pay him more than they have available with cap space or the MLE.

Whiteside would have to want to sign with SA for that amount.

SA on top of wanting to sign Whiteside would also want to give something up to get him.

Then Portland would have to want to give up whatever SA is asking for.

Oh and on top of that in a sign-and-trade the player has to get a 3 year contract. Now you can word it so there is some non-guaranteed money or something but Whiteside would have to agree to that too.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Why do you say we can’t sign-and-trade Whiteside for him? It looks to me like all of the conditions in the CBA FAQ are met. Am I missing something?

We can, it just doesn't fit his argument.

 

[hoopsjock]

Are we gutting it though? Ariza + Hood + Little played about none of the seeding games + playoffs. Simons and Mario were net negatives every time they touched the court. Really doesn't seem like we lose a lot to me.

I'm not arguing that we should trade for Aldridge, but the idea that it's impossible.....I don't agree with that.

Like Bones said, all of our wing depth for someone who wouldn't be a good fit at PF.

Yeah, I consider that gutting the team.

 

[hoopsjock]

We can, it just doesn't fit his argument.

Wrong. You have still never given me an example of a team that traded their own free agent instead of another team wanting to sign him first.

 

[B-Roy]

So after seeing the lack of perimeter defense, people want to trade our two big, all-around wings for a 35 year old C and play him at PF? Olshey isn't that dumb.

Who are you talking about regarding our wings? From my point of view the only guy on that list that I would consider to be a safe bet to be a contributor next season is Ariza. Hood is coming off a serious injury in which the vast majority of players that come back are not the same. Plus, his defense was never good. It wasn't good for the 21 games he played last season, and it wasn't good for the previous 300+ games in his career.

Little and Simons I'm confident will become rotation players at some point. I'm not very confident it's next year, or it will come in their first contract.

Mario.....we would be lucky to dump his salary.

So for me the trade in terms of immediate contributions is basically Ariza for Aldridge. Aldridge is clearly the better player, although I'd rather keep Ariza and the flexibility to make other moves. But it's not so ridiculous that it couldn't happen.

 

[B-Roy]

Like Bones said, all of our wing depth for someone who wouldn't be a good fit at PF.

Yeah, I consider that gutting the team.

I don't know what your idea of wing depth is, but I consider it players that will actually contribute. And we'd only be moving one of those players.

 

[BonesJones]

We can, it just doesn't fit his argument.

Wrong, Eric tells it how it is, and is the more knowledgeable about the CBA and roster-building than anyone on this forum. He wouldnt be saying it if it wasn't true.

 

[BonesJones]

Who are you talking about regarding our wings? From my point of view the only guy on that list that I would consider to be a safe bet to be a contributor next season is Ariza. Hood is coming off a serious injury in which the vast majority of players that come back are not the same. Plus, his defense was never good. It wasn't good for the 21 games he played last season, and it wasn't good for the previous 300+ games in his career.

Little and Simons I'm confident will become rotation players at some point. I'm not very confident it's next year, or it will come in their first contracdt.

Mario.....we would be lucky to dump his salary.

So for me the trade in terms of immediate contributions is basically Ariza for Aldridge. Aldridge is clearly the better player, although I'd rather keep Ariza and the flexibility to make other moves. But it's not so ridiculous that it couldn't happen.

I don't agree with your valuation of Hood at all. His game isnt athleticism-based. He'll be fine. And it seems like you want to build a team who's bottom 5 in defense again.

 

[BlayZa]

yeah i dont really wanna re-watch this movie, we know how it ends - people get upset and disappointed.