Start Collins. Start Hood.

[wizenheimer]

I can point out other moves. They happen all the time. Obviously - different year, different market, no teams with straight up cap space at the draft. But even Turner and the 25th pick for Plumlee, J.Adams, and one of their 2nds is a possibility that could save us $6M.

but what's the point of that? they still couldn't use the full-MLE

 

[BonesJones]

but what's the point of that? they still couldn't use the full-MLE

Huh?

Their payroll would be $120M, which is apx. $19M below the apron. So they would have more freedom to use it depending on other moves. It could also be the precurosor to another trade freeing up more money (ex. Meyers Leonard and a 2nd to Detroit for Langston Galloway). With that example, we'd be $24M below the hard cap. Then:

Use Full-MLE with $14M remaining to resign Aminu, Hood (non-bird), and/or Layman. (Aminu for $7M, Hood for $4M, Layman for $3M)? Probably not enough for Jake so:
Trade Galloway down for someone like Patrick Patterson to free up another $2M to do the above.
Waive and stretch Galloway, freeing up another $5M to do the above.

 

[wizenheimer]

Huh?

Their payroll would be $120M, which is apx. $19M below the apron. So they would have more freedom to use it depending on other moves. It could also be the precurosor to another trade freeing up more money (ex. Meyers Leonard and a 2nd to Detroit for Langston Galloway). With that example, we'd be $24M below the hard cap. Then:

Use Full-MLE with $14M remaining to resign Aminu, Hood (non-bird), and/or Layman. (Aminu for $7M, Hood for $4M, Layman for $3M)? Probably not enough for Jake so:
Trade Galloway down for someone like Patrick Patterson to free up another $2M to do the above.
Waive and stretch Galloway, freeing up another $5M to do the above.

Portland is at 127M (Nurk's bonus will be "likely" next season and count against the cap)

subtracting 6M leaves Portland at 121m

the cap-holds of Aminu-Hood-Kanter-Curry-Layman are 24.2M. That puts Portland at 145M which is 7M over the apron. Aminu's cap-hold alone is 13.2M and that would put the Blazers only 4M below the apron. Even if the re-sign Aminu right off the bat for say 8M they'd only be 9M below the apron for 11 players. That kills the full-MLE right there

and yeah, I know, the Blazers will find all these hypothetical trades to build enough margin...except I don't believe they will

now, they could renounce the rights to Aminu. a couple of roster charges would put them at 123M. Re-sign Hood and they'd be somewhere in between 126-127M. That would leave them 11-12M below the apron. Use the full-MLE on Kanter...2-3M below the apron. Find a cheap vet and they just might squeeze under the apron...and have almost no flexibility next season

and the cost of that MLE would be Aminu, Curry, Layman, and the 25th pick. Seems pretty high

too many contortions just to go from a 5.5M MLE to a 9M MLE

 

[BonesJones]

Portland is at 127M (Nurk's bonus will be "likely" next season and count against the cap)

subtracting 6M leaves Portland at 121m

the cap-holds of Aminu-Hood-Kanter-Curry-Layman are 24.2M. That puts Portland at 145M which is 7M over the apron. Aminu's cap-hold alone is 13.2M and that would put the Blazers only 4M below the apron. Even if the re-sign Aminu right off the bat for say 8M they'd only be 9M below the apron for 11 players. That kills the full-MLE right there

and yeah, I know, the Blazers will find all these hypothetical trades to build enough margin...except I don't believe they will

now, they could renounce the rights to Aminu. a couple of roster charges would put them at 123M. Re-sign Hood and they'd be somewhere in between 126-127M. That would leave them 11-12M below the apron. Use the full-MLE on Kanter...2-3M below the apron. Find a cheap vet and they just might squeeze under the apron...and have almost no flexibility next season

and the cost of that MLE would be Aminu, Curry, Layman, and the 25th pick. Seems pretty high

too many contortions just to go from a 5.5M MLE to a 9M MLE

If youre going to keep Aminu, you likely sign him right away for less than his cap hold. We'll renounce Curry. Cap hold for Kanter? He'll have none. Hes essentially a FA thats not ours. Were not going to keep a cap him him to keep his non-bird rights.

Laymans cap hold is also smaller than what wed likely resign him for.

So cap holds dont affect the feasibility of clearing enough space. We wouldnt have to renounce Jake or Layman, and Curry is gone regardless, so he's not an opportunity cost.

And two simple trades is not "contorted". Theres also other possibilities like this. I also wasnt dicsussing the likelihood of the hypothetical, Im discussing the potential outcomes of the hypothetical.

 

[Natebishop3]

Bump.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Bump.

B U M P

 

[Natebishop3]

B U M P

Bee
You
Em
Pee

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Im gonna say it and you guys can beat me up for it. Maybe having Hood, and Zach on the bench isnt so bad. They get to play vs Denvers bench in their first stint, and get into a rhythm before seeing their starters. Now Aminu and Harkless have not been particularly good this series, no doubt, but IF they go on to round 3, you probably dont want their confidence completely shattered by being benched, and also if their your guys off the bench, whose going to score on the bench unit? I say definitely give Hood and Zach more minutes and maybe start Zach at the 4 instead of Aminu but having a good solid bench is not such a bad thing.

 

[Natebishop3]

Now Aminu and Harkless have not been particularly good this series

This is a huge understatement. They have been horrible. They have been worse than horrible. They're not just bad on offense, but also horrible on defense.

It's not a coincidence that we're getting slapped around when Chief and Mo are in the game, meanwhile we're pulling away with Zach and Hood.

 

[hoopsjock]

Im gonna say it and you guys can beat me up for it. Maybe having Hood, and Zach on the bench isnt so bad. They get to play vs Denvers bench in their first stint, and get into a rhythm before seeing their starters. Now Aminu and Harkless have not been particularly good this series, no doubt, but IF they go on to round 3, you probably dont want their confidence completely shattered by being benched, and also if their your guys off the bench, whose going to score on the bench unit? I say definitely give Hood and Zach more minutes and maybe start Zach at the 4 instead of Aminu but having a good solid bench is not such a bad thing.

Starting Collins allows us to put him on Millsap and control the game from the beginning.

Starting Hood means they'd probably have Murray on him and he can dominate him right away.

We can alter the rotation on the back side to compensate for the bench.

 

[Natebishop3]

Terry I swear to god if you start Aminu and Harkless in game 7....

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Terry I swear to god if you start Aminu and Harkless in game 7....

Almost 100% guaranteed that’ll be his starters.

 

[handiman]

Jokic and Milsap think twice about attacking the hoop or shooting jumpers when Zach is guarding either of them. No Zach, and they're feeling at ease like it's a closed practice. It's the most obvious coaching move ever: play Zach as many minutes as he can handle, and preferably early, to keep them from getting into a rhythm!

 

[Hoopguru]

Im gonna say it and you guys can beat me up for it. Maybe having Hood, and Zach on the bench isnt so bad. They get to play vs Denvers bench in their first stint, and get into a rhythm before seeing their starters. Now Aminu and Harkless have not been particularly good this series, no doubt, but IF they go on to round 3, you probably dont want their confidence completely shattered by being benched, and also if their your guys off the bench, whose going to score on the bench unit? I say definitely give Hood and Zach more minutes and maybe start Zach at the 4 instead of Aminu but having a good solid bench is not such a bad thing.

I think Neil envisioned Collins and Hood next stating forwards.

 

[Natebishop3]

Almost 100% guaranteed that’ll be his starters.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Starting Collins allows us to put him on Millsap and control the game from the beginning.

Starting Hood means they'd probably have Murray on him and he can dominate him right away.

We can alter the rotation on the back side to compensate for the bench.

Im more into the idea of starting Zach than I am Hood, they need Zach to help slow down Milsap, they need hood for instant offense and to get the bench going. Ive wanted to start Zach most of the year though.

 

[Natebishop3]

Im more into the idea of starting Zach than I am Hood, they need Zach to help slow down Milsap, they need hood for instant offense and to get the bench going. Ive wanted to start Zach most of the year though.

Murray has been absolutely torching Harkless though. Maybe Mo is hurt. I don't know, but Hood has done a WAY better job defending him.

 

[hoopsjock]

Im more into the idea of starting Zach than I am Hood, they need Zach to help slow down Milsap, they need hood for instant offense and to get the bench going. Ive wanted to start Zach most of the year though.

I just don't like the way Aminu and Harkless are defending in this series. It would be nice to lock Denver down right at the beginning.

 

[HailBlazers]

Jokic and Milsap think twice about attacking the hoop or shooting jumpers when Zach is guarding either of them. No Zach, and they're feeling at ease like it's a closed practice. It's the most obvious coaching move ever: play Zach as many minutes as he can handle, and preferably early, to keep them from getting into a rhythm!

And it's been the most obvious move by the officials to hold us down, get Zach in foul trouble. That's the risk you run by playing him earlier and often unfortunately.

 

[Portland2014]

People in this forum who are not getting paid knew this prior to the game, Stotts is paid milions and he still can't make the right moves.

 

[Natebishop3]

I am completely incredulous about why the refs/NBA favor Denver.

We have the vastly more marketable superstar player in Dame.

We have the vastly more marketable second star in CJ.

I just really don't get it. Jokic isn't exciting. He isn't likeable at all.

 

[wizenheimer]

I don't agree about taking Aminu and Harkless out of the starting lineups...not both of them

because then the bench will be Curry, Turner, Harkless, and Aminu....they couldn't do shit on offense

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't agree about taking Aminu and Harkless out of the starting lineups...not both of them

because then the bench will be Curry, Turner, Harkless, and Aminu....they couldn't do shit on offense

It's game seven man. No time restrictions. Zach is 20 years old.

 

[wizenheimer]

It's game seven man. No time restrictions. Zach is 20 years old.

nope...he's 21 so he's too old for that...

 

[BonesJones]

Im gonna say it and you guys can beat me up for it. Maybe having Hood, and Zach on the bench isnt so bad. They get to play vs Denvers bench in their first stint, and get into a rhythm before seeing their starters. Now Aminu and Harkless have not been particularly good this series, no doubt, but IF they go on to round 3, you probably dont want their confidence completely shattered by being benched, and also if their your guys off the bench, whose going to score on the bench unit? I say definitely give Hood and Zach more minutes and maybe start Zach at the 4 instead of Aminu but having a good solid bench is not such a bad thing.

Start Zach and Rodney, then sub them out at the 6 minute mark then for Aminu and Curry. Then sub them back in at the 3 minute mark for Enes and CJ. Sub CJ in for Dame at the quarter break, then sub Dame back in at the quarter break. Sub Hood and Collins out at the 9 minute mark of the 2nd quarter for Enes and CJ, then sub Hood and Collins back in at the 6 minute mark for Aminu and Curry.

That's a 7-minute rotation with a minute breakdown of:
Lillard & McCollum - 42 minutes
Kanter, Hood, & Collins - 36 minutes
Aminu & Curry - 24 minutes.

Hood and Collins would play three 6 minute stints a half, separated by 3 minutes of rest.
Aminu and Curry would play 12 straight minutes but it'd be over the quarter break and it's likely that there's another timeout in there.
Kanter would play the first 9 minutes then the last 9 minutes of each half.
Lillard would play the entire 1st and 3rd quarters and the last 9 minutes of the 2nd and 4th.
McCollum would play the first 9 minutes of the 1st and 3rd quarters and the entire 2nd and 4th quarters.

 

[BonesJones]

I don't agree about taking Aminu and Harkless out of the starting lineups...not both of them

because then the bench will be Curry, Turner, Harkless, and Aminu....they couldn't do shit on offense

Not neccesarily. See above.

Two "bench lineups" without full starters (being Hood and Collins at the forward spots).

Lineup 1:
Lillard
McCollum
Curry
Aminu
Kanter

Lineup 2:
Lillard or McCollum
Curry
Hood
Aminu
Collins

 

[handiman]

And it's been the most obvious move by the officials to hold us down, get Zach in foul trouble. That's the risk you run by playing him earlier and often unfortunately.

When have we seen Zach be officiated as a starter?

He had 5 blocks tonight without being in foul trouble. I'd say the refs allowed him to be aggressive.

 

[HailBlazers]

When have we seen Zach be officiated as a starter?

He had 5 blocks tonight without being in foul trouble. I'd say the refs allowed him to be aggressive.

Yea there's a first time for everything I suppose.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Or just make sure Collins is in whenever Milsap is; and Hood in when Murray is. Hood's defense was just as critical as his offense last night.

 

[andalusian]

Can't change the starting line all the time imho - players need some kind of structure too - but if we start slow - bring in Zach / Hood quick. I think Terry is right to not change things all the time - there needs to be a balance between stability and adjustments.