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It's not at all hypocritical in my view. As I said, I believe my vote should be based upon a candidate's platform and personal qualities. Personal qualities are always going to be a subjective judgement. Reade's accusation, in my judgement, has enough meat to it that it deserves to be investigated more thoroughly than what is being done so far. A failure to investigate, particularly when the Party was all-in on investigating the accusations by Blasey-Ford, colors my opinion of Biden's trustworthiness.

Innocent until proven guilty is a standard in criminal cases. It certainly doesn't apply in politics. If I have correctly read your many posts on things Trump has been accused of over the years, you certainly don't accord him that standard in your opinion of him (an opinion, that I happen to share, by the way).

You don't get it. You vote for Biden if he's investigated and you won't if he is not. You are essentially withholding your vote obviously because you think he is then guilty. I have no doubt Biden is being investigated by the republicans right now.
 
The way I look at it, if I go into a cafe and they have only a choice between a shit sandwich or a scrambled eggs and brains dish that's only slightly dirty, I'll choose to skip lunch or look for another place to eat.

But if you were in prison, and they allowed you to order whatever you wanted, but you knew that they would randomly bring you either a shit sandwich or eggs/brains if you ordered any option other than the two on the menu, wouldn't it be rational to order the eggs and brains?

If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice

barfo
 
Shoot maybe I am “pro abortion” then. Just watch the rallies at govt buildings with their assault rifles draped over their shoulders. That would have been a perfect time for mass abortions.
are you pro abortion, pro choice or pro both?
 
But if you were in prison, and they allowed you to order whatever you wanted, but you knew that they would randomly bring you either a shit sandwich or eggs/brains if you ordered any option other than the two on the menu, wouldn't it be rational to order the eggs and brains?

If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice

barfo

Hunger strikes can sometimes be effective.

That said, if my cell mate looked like someone I could take, maybe I'd go all Hannibal Lecter on him.
 
You don't get it. You vote for Biden if he's investigated and you won't if he is not. You are essentially withholding your vote obviously because you think he is then guilty. I have no doubt Biden is being investigated by the republicans right now.

I think it's you who doesn't get my issue, Cup. I have no opinion on his guilt. I do have an opinion on the hypocrisy of not investigating. If Biden were willing to step up and call for a full investigation, testify under oath, etc. that goes to proving his character. Biden said in the Blasey-Ford/Kavanaugh matter that, "For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you've got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she's talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts, whether or not it's been made worse or better over time." Now, to simply say it never happened and go on his merry way with the campaign also says something about his character.
 
I think it's you who doesn't get my issue, Cup. I have no opinion on his guilt. I do have an opinion on the hypocrisy of not investigating. If Biden were willing to step up and call for a full investigation, testify under oath, etc. that goes to proving his character. Biden said in the Blasey-Ford/Kavanaugh matter that, "For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you've got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she's talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts, whether or not it's been made worse or better over time." Now, to simply say it never happened and go on his merry way with the campaign also says something about his character.

You can think what you want. I was merely pointing out your hypocrisy on how you will vote. Nothing more and nothing less so in that respect, I understand your issue very well.
 
You can think what you want. I was merely pointing out your hypocrisy on how you will vote. Nothing more and nothing less so in that respect, I understand your issue very well.

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I do have an opinion on the hypocrisy of not investigating. If Biden were willing to step up and call for a full investigation, testify under oath, etc. that goes to proving his character.

How do you think he can testify under oath? There is no legal proceeding here.

I've said this before, but there is a ton of investigating going on. It's simply not correct to say the issue is being swept under the rug.

barfo
 
Hunger strikes can sometimes be effective.

That said, if my cell mate looked like someone I could take, maybe I'd go all Hannibal Lecter on him.

In this scenario you have no cellmate, and the prison holds 350 million people so the guards are overworked, and they don't really give a shit if you starve or not.

barfo
 
And as far as votes being important.....in 2000 the Republican literally stole the election with help from an activist Supreme Court. In 2016, even though Clinton got over 3 million votes more than the current Moron In Chief, the Republicans gamed the system and won the election. So let’s please don’t overstate how much your...or my....vote matters.....

Yeah, you're right...fuck it...nobody vote.

...Please don't underestimate how much your...or my....vote matters.
 
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Yeah, you're right...fuck it...nobody vote.

...Please don't underestimate how much your...or my....vote matters.
Too late........but I HAVE underestimated
your reading comprehension skills. Seems like you (amongst others) are always spoiling for a fight with anyone who doesn’t agree with you 100%. Sounds like a certain guy in the White House. In debates there are always at least two sides, not one. That’s why it’s called a “debate”. Sorry.
 
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Too late........but I HAVE underestimated
your reading comprehension skills. Seems like you (amongst others) are always spoiling for a fight with anyone who doesn’t agree with you 100%. Sounds like a certain guy in the White House. In debates there are always at least two sides, not one. That’s why it’s called a “debate”. Sorry.

Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension skills, also no need for the definition of a "debate" and a debate is all it was till you decided make it personal...that's on you.
 
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How do you think he can testify under oath? There is no legal proceeding here.

I've said this before, but there is a ton of investigating going on. It's simply not correct to say the issue is being swept under the rug.

barfo

You're correct, of course, that there's no legal proceeding involved unless Ms. Reade were to file a civil complaint. I doubt that's going to happen, although she did state that she would testify under oath and that's the reason I used that term. I would think that there would be a way that the DNC could conduct an investigation, with an ultimate decision by the DNC as to whether the accusation has sufficient merit as to disqualify Biden as a candidate under the Party's adopted rules. Each presidential candidate is required to "affirm" that they meet the following qualifications:

VI. Presidential Candidates The term “presidential candidate” herein shall mean any person who, as determined by the National Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee, has accrued delegates in the nominating process and plans to seek the nomination, has established substantial support for their nomination as the Democratic candidate for the Office of the President of the United States, is a bona fide Democrat whose record of public service, accomplishment, public writings and/or public statements affirmatively demonstrates that the candidate is faithful to the interests, welfare and success of the Democratic Party of the United States, and will participate in the Convention in good faith. At the time a presidential candidate announces their candidacy publicly, they must publicly affirm that they are a Democrat. Each candidate pursuing the Democratic nomination shall affirm, in writing, to the National Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee that they: A. are a member of the Democratic Party; B. will accept the Democratic nomination; and C. will run and serve as a member of the Democratic Party.

The bolded part would be the area of consideration.

But I don't think that there's any historical precedent for such a thing happening, so it would have to be very strong evidence of sexual assault.

As far as what investigation is being done by the press, I think this article by Rolling Stone summarizes what we know so far:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...ra-reade-allegations-denials-evidence-993072/

And her interview with Megyn Kelly:



Maybe there's no way to really get to the bottom of this, but I hope that it's going to get more attention leading up to the Convention.
 
@yankeesince59 @Orion Bailey @CupWizier and anyone else in these stupid flame wars....ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH!

It is giving me a headache. There is real shit to deal with. My brother just got hit by car and a broke his back. People are dying. And you guys continue to have a grade school playground argument.
 
@yankeesince59 @Orion Bailey @CupWizier and anyone else in these stupid flame wars....ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH!

It is giving me a headache. There is real shit to deal with. My brother just got hit by car and a broke his back. People are dying. And you guys continue to have a grade school playground argument.

Oh man, so sorry to hear that Chris. How is he doing?
 
@yankeesince59 @Orion Bailey @CupWizier and anyone else in these stupid flame wars....ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH!

It is giving me a headache. There is real shit to deal with. My brother just got hit by car and a broke his back. People are dying. And you guys continue to have a grade school playground argument.

I hardly even interact with him anymore, but to single out just us 3 is bullshit. I'm sorry to hear about your brother and hope he is ok. I'm dealing with a small d dog that fell down a second story flight of stairs and was essentially paralyzed for 2 days and now can semi stand and walk a little bit. You have posters all over the forum doing shit as ob has attacked me unprovoked several times and have seen him do it to yank as well. Then we have hobbes who essentially mocks pretty much any post i make with his standard popcorn and laugh emoticons. That sure does encourage better discussions right? So, point the finger at all the rest as well.
 
@yankeesince59 @Orion Bailey @CupWizier and anyone else in these stupid flame wars....ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH!

It is giving me a headache. There is real shit to deal with. My brother just got hit by car and a broke his back. People are dying. And you guys continue to have a grade school playground argument.
Dang bro. Sorry to hear about your brother man. Please keep us updated on his health. I’ll be sure to keep him in my prayers.
 
But if you were in prison, and they allowed you to order whatever you wanted, but you knew that they would randomly bring you either a shit sandwich or eggs/brains if you ordered any option other than the two on the menu, wouldn't it be rational to order the eggs and brains?

If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice


barfo

I appreciate the Rush reference there.
 
Ah, is that the reference? I never listened to the old windbag.

Don't you dare even jokingly compare that ass clown to one of the greatest bands in the history of music.
 

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