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Orion Bailey said:
This is the same philosophy some republicans had regarding Hilary. But the Republicans didn't push the #metoo movement, so shouldn't be held to the same standard.
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Maybe you missed the other post I had where I said that "the left" is not some homogeneous monolithic group. If you want to dig into archives and show where I personally am a hypocrite, then go ahead, I'm sure it would be a fun research project. But, what I have said here or in the past is not representative of "the left" and statements by others in "the left" is not representative of me. I wouldn't and didn't vote for Biden in the primary. I liked Pete Buttigeig personally. But if you seem to know the best way for me not to be a hypocrite, who should I vote for in the general election? Or should I just not vote? Thanks.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
One question is "a mountain"? OK...

It was a test balloon. You showed by your response that no real discussion was welcome. And for that I thank you.
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Test ballon my ass...but you're quite welcome.

But to make you happy, I edited my original post...all better?
 
yankeesince59 said:
Test ballon my ass...but you're quite welcome.

But to make you happy, I edited my original post...all better?
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Totally off topic, but are you a Blazer fan? I don't recall seeing you post in the main forum, but I could be wrong. If not, how did you find your way here?
 
Sedatedfork said:
Maybe you missed the other post I had where I said that "the left" is not some homogeneous monolithic group. If you want to dig into archives and show where I personally am a hypocrite, then go ahead, I'm sure it would be a fun research project. But, what I have said here or in the past is not representative of "the left" and statements by others in "the left" is not representative of me. I wouldn't and didn't vote for Biden in the primary. I liked Pete Buttigeig personally. But if you seem to know the best way for me not to be a hypocrite, who should I vote for in the general election? Or should I just not vote? Thanks.
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All good my friend. I was only referencing this specific post because it was referenced to me. I by no means am able to read all posts here and apologize if it looks like I painted you in a light, not indignant of your views. Its just your statement was used in reference to something that I didn't think provided a fair reference is all. :)

This had nothing to do with you. I apologize.
 
e_blazer said:
Totally off topic, but are you a Blazer fan? I don't recall seeing you post in the main forum, but I could be wrong. If not, how did you find your way here?
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No Sir, to be honest, the NBA kinda fell from grace when Jabbar retired...though must admit that I love watching Steph Curry play.

I posted on the Yanx board for many years on the espn forum and then the one here on S2....then just kinda stumbled onto this O/T sub forum...a lot more posters and a lot more points of view.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Nope...actually, Ford did have corroboration.

Also, Ford went to the FBI, Reade did not...Ford was sworn in under oath, Reade probably never will be.

Not to mention that Ford was credible while there are multiple compelling holes in Reade's story.



It's really no contest.



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Ford asked the FBI to investigate her claims as a part of the Senate confirmation process. They were reluctant given the number of years it had been since the alleged assault and the difficulty that would impose on getting evidence, but they undertook the investigation at the behest of the Senate. She also testified under oath as a part of the confirmation hearings. Ms. Reade has offered to testify under oath, but given that there's no formal process currently underway to review the assault charges, I don't know how such testimony would be obtained or by whom. The primary difference is in circumstances beyond her control. Senate confirmation hearings vs. no formal review process. I don't believe that says anything either way about her claims.

As far as education goes, are you saying that you have to have a certain level of education in order to know if you've been assaulted? Or are you saying that we should give more credence to someone because they have a higher level of degree than someone else? I find that kind of a preposterous notion. Dr. Henry Kissinger had an AB degree summa cum laude, Phi Beta Kappa in political science from Harvard College. Did you trust anything he said about Vietnam?

There are holes in Reade's story and I'm uncomfortable in accepting her version of events because of them. That said, I still think that there needs to be a formal investigation process by the DNC before awarding Biden the nomination. That's all I've ever called for. Many righties are saying that a DNC investigation would be a sham. Maybe so, but it's the DNC and convention delegates that put forward the Party's nominee. The Republicans can try to make hay of the issue in the general election...if they dare given Trump's shoddy history with women.
 
e_blazer said:
There are holes in Reade's story and I'm uncomfortable in accepting her version of events because of them. That said, I still think that there needs to be a formal investigation process by the DNC before awarding Biden the nomination. That's all I've ever called for. Many righties are saying that a DNC investigation would be a sham. Maybe so, but it's the DNC and convention delegates that put forward the Party's nominee. The Republicans can try to make hay of the issue in the general election...if they dare given Trump's shoddy history with women.
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I think the media (right, left, center, and other) will do a more thorough and transparent job of investigation than the DNC ever could.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I think the media (right, left, center, and other) will do a more thorough and transparent job of investigation than the DNC ever could.

barfo
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Maybe so, but absent someone revealing a major gotcha, there isn't likely to be anything other than the usual talking heads giving their varying conclusions. There probably isn't ever going to be a satisfactory conclusion...which seems to be the norm.
 
Yep,
e_blazer said:
Just pointing out that there hasn't ever been a standard around here or in the media of "innocent until proven guilty" so maybe it's not a valid point to try to tag on those who oppose your views. All I'm suggesting is there could be a little less discussion of the other side's "hypocrisy" and a little more on the subject itself.
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Yep, Innocent until proven guilty, I mean that's as basic as it gets, and something all kids are taught from the get go, along with other constitutional rights.
 
e_blazer said:
Ford asked the FBI to investigate her claims as a part of the Senate confirmation process. They were reluctant given the number of years it had been since the alleged assault and the difficulty that would impose on getting evidence, but they undertook the investigation at the behest of the Senate. She also testified under oath as a part of the confirmation hearings. Ms. Reade has offered to testify under oath, but given that there's no formal process currently underway to review the assault charges, I don't know how such testimony would be obtained or by whom. The primary difference is in circumstances beyond her control. Senate confirmation hearings vs. no formal review process. I don't believe that says anything either way about her claims.

As far as education goes, are you saying that you have to have a certain level of education in order to know if you've been assaulted? Or are you saying that we should give more credence to someone because they have a higher level of degree than someone else? I find that kind of a preposterous notion. Dr. Henry Kissinger had an AB degree summa cum laude, Phi Beta Kappa in political science from Harvard College. Did you trust anything he said about Vietnam?

There are holes in Reade's story and I'm uncomfortable in accepting her version of events because of them. That said, I still think that there needs to be a formal investigation process by the DNC before awarding Biden the nomination. That's all I've ever called for. Many righties are saying that a DNC investigation would be a sham. Maybe so, but it's the DNC and convention delegates that put forward the Party's nominee. The Republicans can try to make hay of the issue in the general election...if they dare given Trump's shoddy history with women.
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Sorry, no offense, but I'm not going through this again.
 
e_blazer said:
Maybe so, but absent someone revealing a major gotcha, there isn't likely to be anything other than the usual talking heads giving their varying conclusions. There probably isn't ever going to be a satisfactory conclusion...which seems to be the norm.
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Biden was vetted pretty heavily in 2008 when he was selected by Obama to be vice president. You don't think the republicans were looking for any dirt on both Biden and Obama? Like you said, holes are appearing all over Reades account right now with facts changing and info being ommited or added. It's near impossible to really do an investigation of a situation that took place almost 30 years ago just like we saw in the kavanaugh situation. Not sure if and to what extent kavanaugh had ever been vetted before the supreme court nomination. but in comparison, kavanaugh was going through a vetting process that is necessary to become a supreme court justice just as Biden was vetted as a vice president. The republican lead senate also prohibited info and witnesses to testify and then when they were given the opportunity to do some more research and interview witnesses there was little time given to be able to do any proper investigation. Do you want the same kind of investigation for Biden now, even though he passed a vetting process after it allegedley happened
 
CupWizier said:
Biden was vetted pretty heavily in 2008 when he was selected by Obama to be vice president. You don't think the republicans were looking for any dirt on both Biden and Obama? Like you said, holes are appearing all over Reades account right now with facts changing and info being ommited or added. It's near impossible to really do an investigation of a situation that took place almost 30 years ago just like we saw in the kavanaugh situation. Not sure if and to what extent kavanaugh had ever been vetted before the supreme court nomination. but in comparison, kavanaugh was going through a vetting process that is necessary to become a supreme court justice just as Biden was vetted as a vice president. The republican lead senate also prohibited info and witnesses to testify and then when they were given the opportunity to do some more research and interview witnesses there was little time given to be able to do any proper investigation. Do you want the same kind of investigation for Biden now, even though he passed a vetting process after it allegedley happened
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How would the vetting process relating to him becoming VP possibly include this alleged assault when Ms. Reade only made her claims recently?
 
Orion Bailey said:
If Biden is on the ticket, will you vote for him over Trump?



This is much the same as when Trump rasn against Hilary and what the Reps said.... And got and continue to get blasted for it.

Trump should drop out, but if he doesnt, anyone but Clinton. But now with the rolse reversed, its the same, regardless of the #metoo movement.



Again, same narrative. Anyone but Trump, regardless of the #Metoo movement.

This is the same philosophy some republicans had regarding Hilary. But the Republicans didn't push the #metoo movement, so shouldn't be held to the same standard.

The narrative that you just quoted is anyone but Trump, regardless of the #metoo contradiction.

This is what the republicans iv e seen have been pointing out.
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We all said Biden should step down. That is a lot more than the right in here said when Trump was running and 16 accusers came out against him.

Will I vote for Biden. I don't know. I haven't decided. I didn't vote for Biden in the primary. I wouldn't vote for Trump either way.
 
Chris Craig said:
We all said Biden should step down. That is a lot more than the right in here said when Trump was running and 16 accusers came out against him.

Will I vote for Biden. I don't know. I haven't decided. I didn't vote for Biden in the primary. I wouldn't vote for Trump either way.
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If Biden were to step down, who would become the Democratic front-runner in your opinion?
 
e_blazer said:
Fair point that Mags wasn't posting here during the Kavanaugh debate and probably didn't see what was posted here. I should have said that those on the right see the response by the left this time around as totally inconsistent, and therefore hypocritical with, what they were saying about a woman's right to be believed during the Kavanaugh issue.
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We said we believed Ford. We said we believed Reade. There is no inconsistency.
 
Chris Craig said:
We said we believed Ford. We said we believed Reade. There is no inconsistency.
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I wasn't including you as one being inconsistent, Chris. That said, I don' think that the "we believe" crowd includes everyone around here when it comes to Tara Reade. I'm not even sure it includes me. I sure would like to know if there's any truth to the story before I give Joe my vote though.
 
Orion Bailey said:
This is the same philosophy some republicans had regarding Hilary. But the Republicans didn't push the #metoo movement, so shouldn't be held to the same standard.
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Sorry bro, but this is rich. The trump supporters in here have no place to reprimand Democrats when it comes to sexual assaults and presidential candidates.
 
e_blazer said:
How would the vetting process relating to him becoming VP possibly include this alleged assault when Ms. Reade only made her claims recently?
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not true. She claimed she filed a complaint shortly after it happened in 1993 and where was Reade in 2008? If she is telling the truth and it was filed it is reasonable to assume it would have come up during the vetting process.
 
Chris Craig said:
Sorry bro, but this is rich. The trump supporters in here have no place to reprimand Democrats when it comes to sexual assaults and presidential candidates.
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Hubris, I believe the word you're looking for is hubris.
 
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