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Well I Covington gone at deadline and I see probably Powell gone in the off season. Nance might be another guy gone in the off season. It's looks like Dame CJ Simons will be the guards next season with Simons probably be the one to come off the bench but with him RFA we will see if someone offers something the Blazers will not touch.
 
If those comments are accurate, they are pretty much par for the Blazers' course. It's the most likely scenario and bound to fail. Norm and Roco won't yield a superstar. The 3 guard thing is a joke. CJ is the most selfish player since Melo and I am pissed.
 
illmatic99 said:
let's all recall Quick said Olshey was bulletproof and would NOT get fired less than 12 hrs before the announcement was made.
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yeah...I remember that. Good times

I'm wrong all the time in predicting the future, but I'm not connected at all and don't get paid for predictions like Quick

pay me and I'll up my average (starting by predicting less)
 
for Cronin to have survived the 4 years before Olshey arrived, then nearly 10 years of Olshey, he has to be a master at keeping his head down. And if you're in the habit of keeping your head down in a risk-adverse environment like Olshey's, that might be a real hard habit to break

I'm already seeing it being set up though. People saying it's 'ok' or 'understandable' if nothing significant happens before this trade deadline. That the big changes will probably happen at the draft, even though Portland has no pick, or in the off-season, even though the trade deadline is a better trading environment. And if nothing happens between now and training camp, then people will say there will be big changes at the trade deadline, especially if next season looks like a shit-show....like it does right now
 
Here is some stuff from Hollinger ( all speculation) concerning Portland and Toronto. Sorry to see Portland not interested in Siakam, if that is true....
"Sitting in the middle of the Eastern Conference Play-In race with two weeks before the NBA trade deadline, the Toronto Raptors may look to bolster their position through the trade market. According to a Q&A piece for the Athletic by writers Eric Koreen and John Hollinger, an aggressive approach could lead the Raptors to a big deal with the Portland Trail Blazers.

According to Koreen — the Athletic’s lead writer for the Raptors — Toronto’s biggest need is a “shooter with a little bit of on-ball creativity.” The Blazers are overloaded with four sweet-shooting guards who can create their own shot, so Hollinger pinpointed the teams as sensible trade partners. He said Toronto’s package would likely revolve around guard Goran Dragic’s expiring $19.44-million contract, while Portland could send shooting guard Norman Powell back to Toronto for an odd reunion.

Hollinger: Nooooorm!!! I kid, but Portland is the obvious place to look for guard help right now, with youngster Anfernee Simons scorching hot and both Powell and C.J. McCollum being natural twos. Something like Dragic, Khem Birch and Malachi Flynn for McCollum works, just barely, but it really handcuffs the Raptors tax-wise because of McCollum’s salary. A deal for Powell wouldn’t do that, although it would somewhat oddly reunite the two players who recently were traded for each other in Powell and Trent Jr. and would likely cost the Raptors a first.

Hollinger also said Toronto may shop around one-time All-Star forward Pascal Siakam — a player who has been linked to Portland in trade rumors in the past. However, Hollinger didn’t list Portland as a current suitor for Siakam and speculated a deal for Siakam at the deadline seemed unlikely.

Toronto center and former Oregon Duck Chris Boucher has had an up-and-down 2021-2022 campaign, but has been averaging 12.1 points, 7.4 rebounds, and 1.3 blocks since December 1. Still, Hollinger is cold on the possible return Boucher’s $7.02-expiring contract with bird rights could bring back to Toronto on the market.

Hollinger: I think they’d be lucky to get a second-round pick, to be honest. It’s not that he’s bad, it’s just that he’s too weird a player for a lot of teams to figure out where he’d fit in how they play. Additionally, I don’t think teams place a lot of value on his Bird rights given that he’ll probably come in below the midlevel exception – if you really want the guy, you can just sign him this summer. Are there exceptions? Sure. I could see his game maybe appealing to Charlotte or, if the Rockets trade Christian Wood, Houston. But I wouldn’t get my hopes up here."
 
Cugel said:
If those comments are accurate, they are pretty much par for the Blazers' course. It's the most likely scenario and bound to fail. Norm and Roco won't yield a superstar. The 3 guard thing is a joke. CJ is the most selfish player since Melo and I am pissed.
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As long as a buzz is happening (tank/trades/Dame) and they can go in to next season with decent attendance, Vulcanology lives on. If Joe thinks he doesn't need to swing for the fence to keep his GM position and Dame will be content to see what off season trades or high draft pick gets, with a dash of marketing and feel good, its a new day in the neighborhood, blazerdom lives on.

Joe has survived by being a company man, seems like a super nice dude and all but?
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Here is some stuff from Hollinger ( all speculation) concerning Portland and Toronto. Sorry to see Portland not interested in Siakam, if that is true....
"Sitting in the middle of the Eastern Conference Play-In race with two weeks before the NBA trade deadline, the Toronto Raptors may look to bolster their position through the trade market. According to a Q&A piece for the Athletic by writers Eric Koreen and John Hollinger, an aggressive approach could lead the Raptors to a big deal with the Portland Trail Blazers.

According to Koreen — the Athletic’s lead writer for the Raptors — Toronto’s biggest need is a “shooter with a little bit of on-ball creativity.” The Blazers are overloaded with four sweet-shooting guards who can create their own shot, so Hollinger pinpointed the teams as sensible trade partners. He said Toronto’s package would likely revolve around guard Goran Dragic’s expiring $19.44-million contract, while Portland could send shooting guard Norman Powell back to Toronto for an odd reunion.

Hollinger: Nooooorm!!! I kid, but Portland is the obvious place to look for guard help right now, with youngster Anfernee Simons scorching hot and both Powell and C.J. McCollum being natural twos. Something like Dragic, Khem Birch and Malachi Flynn for McCollum works, just barely, but it really handcuffs the Raptors tax-wise because of McCollum’s salary. A deal for Powell wouldn’t do that, although it would somewhat oddly reunite the two players who recently were traded for each other in Powell and Trent Jr. and would likely cost the Raptors a first.

Hollinger also said Toronto may shop around one-time All-Star forward Pascal Siakam — a player who has been linked to Portland in trade rumors in the past. However, Hollinger didn’t list Portland as a current suitor for Siakam and speculated a deal for Siakam at the deadline seemed unlikely.

Toronto center and former Oregon Duck Chris Boucher has had an up-and-down 2021-2022 campaign, but has been averaging 12.1 points, 7.4 rebounds, and 1.3 blocks since December 1. Still, Hollinger is cold on the possible return Boucher’s $7.02-expiring contract with bird rights could bring back to Toronto on the market.

Hollinger: I think they’d be lucky to get a second-round pick, to be honest. It’s not that he’s bad, it’s just that he’s too weird a player for a lot of teams to figure out where he’d fit in how they play. Additionally, I don’t think teams place a lot of value on his Bird rights given that he’ll probably come in below the midlevel exception – if you really want the guy, you can just sign him this summer. Are there exceptions? Sure. I could see his game maybe appealing to Charlotte or, if the Rockets trade Christian Wood, Houston. But I wouldn’t get my hopes up here."
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lots of speculation by writers and bloggers....almost no confirmation of anything

I see Portland mentioned a lot in all these....'reports?' Most don't even rise to the level of vague rumor. But I've learned not to trust that at all. Olshey was a master at creating smoke without any fire at all. That way he could claim (lie) that he was trying but there wasn't any good option. Cronin was there for it all
 
wizenheimer said:
lots of speculation by writers and bloggers....almost no confirmation of anything

I see Portland mentioned a lot in all these....'reports?' Most don't even rise to the level of vague rumor. But I've learned not to trust that at all. Olshey was a master at creating smoke without any fire at all. That way he could claim (lie) that he was trying but there wasn't any good option. Cronin was there for it all
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Small markets like small business are satisfied by just being a player within a industry/market and don't expect or plan to dominate but compete and be profitable.
 
Btw I wouldn’t worry about Cronin allegedly telling Nurk they’re keeping CJ. If the alleged timeline of that is correct, it was before Ants breakout. That breakout will force decisions that may not have been there a month ago.
 
back in 2017, Olshey traded our starting center and upcoming FA to the first team that would give him a first rounder and guy on a contract that we'd control. Before the move, there were warnings that changes would be coming if we didn't improve our record. I wonder if we can find similar deals right now, not necessarily for Nurk.

I see some parallels this year.

 


Some solid and interesting thoughts on the Blazers. Starts at around the 6:50 mark.
Appreciate Keith Smith. No nonsense w/o the schtick that exists so often.
 
TBpup said:


Some solid and interesting thoughts on the Blazers. Starts at around the 6:50 mark.
Appreciate Keith Smith. No nonsense w/o the schtick that exists so often.
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where’s the intel?
 
TBpup said:


Some solid and interesting thoughts on the Blazers. Starts at around the 6:50 mark.
Appreciate Keith Smith. No nonsense w/o the schtick that exists so often.
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Not actually intelligent commentary. We haven't had a power forward who can score in forever. Getting one isn't "shuffling the deck chairs", it's vastly improving our team - especially since we're overloaded on smalls.
 
AmirIcon said:
Anything that should get done should include a third team. There isn't much from the Pelicans that would be attractive.
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I would reluctantly do Hart + Satoransky + Jones + first for CJ. We'd also generate a 7 mil TPE with it and get a terrific glue guy in Hart who could slot into either a starting or bench role, as well as a prospect who would be a future starting forward.
 
AmirIcon said:
Anything that should get done should include a third team. There isn't much from the Pelicans that would be attractive.
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feels like the upside with the pelicans is we could maybe get off of McCollums entire contract, if they can find an expiring that fits into their TPE and rerouted it to Portland. Outside that the only player that interests me is Jones.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Not actually intelligent commentary. We haven't had a power forward who can score in forever. Getting one isn't "shuffling the deck chairs", it's vastly improving our team - especially since we're overloaded on smalls.
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I love how almost anyone who does a pod, is blasted or lampooned in some manner, or it's done better by someone else. I respect the effort, the more serious approach.

His whole commentary mentioned how it balanced out Portland in a better manner, but doesn't think Grant is the type that puts Portland anywhere near contender status. That seems entirely reasonable.
 
illmatic99 said:
I would reluctantly do Hart + Satoransky + Jones + first for CJ. We'd also generate a 7 mil TPE with it and get a terrific glue guy in Hart who could slot into either a starting or bench role, as well as a prospect who would be a future starting forward.
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Seems unlikely they'd move Jones for CJ. I imagine it'd have to be one of Hayes or Murphy.
I'd do Murphy, Sato, Hart and a pick. Gives us an asset in the pick, expiring in Sato, glue guy in Hart who could be an expiring if we so desired, and a young 3/4 prospect to take a look at. Follow up with a deal for Powell, clears good $ to be slotted for Simons in the summer
 
TBpup said:
I love how almost anyone who does a pod, is blasted or lampooned in some manner, or it's done better by someone else. I respect the effort, the more serious approach.

His whole commentary mentioned how it balanced out Portland in a better manner, but doesn't think Grant is the type that puts Portland anywhere near contender status. That seems entirely reasonable.
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because it lines up with your own thinking?

and no single move is gonna make Portland a contender, not even Ben Simmons, so that’s a silly premise for an argument to begin with.
 


One of the writers, probably Fischer since he writes every day, said some executive told him Powell was a Thibs type player...
 
Scalma said:
because it lines up with your own thinking?

and no single move is gonna make Portland a contender, not even Ben Simmons, so that’s a silly premise for an argument to begin with.
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Not at all. Where did I say anything about it lining up with my thinking? That's just a reach trying to make some point that has nothing to do with anything I posted.
 
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