The 2022 Trade Idea Thread, now with more urgency!

[Sheldon Shape]

I would reluctantly do Hart + Satoransky + Jones + first for CJ. We'd also generate a 7 mil TPE with it and get a terrific glue guy in Hart who could slot into either a starting or bench role, as well as a prospect who would be a future starting forward.

Eh. We should be looking to consolidate. I don't mind overpaying if we get the best player back in the deal. Getting one really good player back for CJ/Powell/Roco is fine by me. It's trading one player for 3 where we're getting into murky territory.

 

[illmatic99]

Eh. We should be looking to consolidate. I don't mind overpaying if we get the best player back in the deal. Getting one really good player back for CJ/Powell/Roco is fine by me. It's trading one player for 3 where we're getting into murky territory.

Sato is expiring. Simply a salary filler. It's essentially Hart, Jones, and a pick for CJ.

 

[TBpup]

Sato is expiring. Simply a salary filler. It's essentially Hart, Jones, and a pick for CJ.

Would love that, but Jones is somewhat akin to being their Ant, except on year 1 of a rookie salary. Good length, very good wingspan, shooting it well from '3'....and very inexpensive. Would be great if Cronin could get him included in a package coming back, but it doesn't seem very likely as of now.

 

[Scalma]

Not at all. Where did I say anything about it lining up with my thinking? That's just a reach trying to make some point that has nothing to do with anything I posted.

So you’re telling me it doesn’t line up with your thinking? You haven’t been on here talking about blowing it up/tanking? It was a pretty simple conclusion I came to. People like hearing what they wanna hear.

 

[Graduate32]

Sato is expiring. Simply a salary filler. It's essentially Hart, Jones, and a pick for CJ.

If the trade includes Hart and Jones, I'd do it even without the extra pick.

I can't see NOP willing to include Jones, though.

 

[TBpup]

So you’re telling me it doesn’t line up with your thinking? You haven’t been on here talking about blowing it up/tanking? It was a pretty simple conclusion I came to.

If we could get real difference makers, I'm fine with not blowing it up. Grant would help from a balance standpoint, but I prefer the Denver version to the Detroit version and what he has recently indicated he wants his role to be. Hoping we can do better, or would go the tank route. Neither is an absolute. With what is going on now, the asset that a high Lottery pick would bring is something desperately needed for this team.

 

[illmatic99]

Would love that, but Jones is somewhat akin to being their Ant, except on year 1 of a rookie salary. Good length, very good wingspan, shooting it well from '3'....and very inexpensive. Would be great if Cronin could get him included in a package coming back, but it doesn't seem very likely as of now.

he's a 23 yr old rookie. decent prospect but i'm not doing any CJ to NO deals without at least Jones involved.

 

[Natebishop3]

Not at all. Where did I say anything about it lining up with my thinking? That's just a reach trying to make some point that has nothing to do with anything I posted.

What I have found funny is that any hypothetical trade that gets proposed on here will inevitably have one or more people saying it's stupid and would never happen..... and yet worse trades ACTUALLY happen all the time. I remember I proposed CJ for Paul George and there were people who called it stupid and would never happen. Less than a year later he was traded for Oladipo and Sabonis, who were both pretty mediocre at that time. Dipo still pretty much sucks because of constant health issues. I imagine most Pacers fans would have flatly rejected that trade if it had been proposed six months earlier.

 

[Graduate32]

Not sure if this was posted already, but apparently from Stein's article this morning. Contradicts what Quick heard from Nurk.

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[Scalma]

Not sure if this was posted already, but apparently from Stein's article this morning. Contradicts what Quick heard from Nurk.

[GALLERY=media, 321]Screenshot 2022-01-28 104209 by Graduate32 posted Jan 28, 2022 at 11:22 AM[/GALLERY]

goes back to my earlier point/theory: Cronin talked to Nurk before Ants breakout. That breakout changes things. CJ is more expendable now.

 

[illmatic99]

If the trade includes Hart and Jones, I'd do it even without the extra pick.

I can't see NOP willing to include Jones, though.

we have no obligation to give NO exactly what they need for 50 cents on the dollar when their GM is on a hot seat.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

goes back to my earlier point/theory: Cronin talked to Nurk before Ants breakout. That breakout changes things. CJ is more expendable now.

So is Dame. You put Ant and Dame on the court together and you've got the same problems.

 

[Graduate32]

we have no obligation to give NO exactly what they need for 50 cents on the dollar when their GM is on a hot seat.

Oh, I absolutely agree, but I also think it's highly likely that they would simply walk away at that price (which, of course, is fine as well).

 

[Freshtown]

I would reluctantly do Hart + Satoransky + Jones + first for CJ. We'd also generate a 7 mil TPE with it and get a terrific glue guy in Hart who could slot into either a starting or bench role, as well as a prospect who would be a future starting forward.

reluctantly? Jones is a young mikal bridges on a rookie deal. That’s not reluctant, that’s praying they’re willing to part with him.

 

[Scalma]

So is Dame. You put Ant and Dame on the court together and you've got the same problems.

There’s a lot in Ants advanced numbers defensively that should make them confident that he’s gonna be a much better defender than CJ. His pick and roll numbers place him in the top portion of the league. He’s already better at operating screens. As he continues to add strength and experience I think he’ll at least be an average defender.

 

[illmatic99]

So is Dame. You put Ant and Dame on the court together and you've got the same problems.

In his 6+ yrs as a starter and even during his time without Dame, has CJ ever been trapped like Ant has been? I think Ant's ceiling is higher than CJ's. My target is another P&R player that we can pair with Ant on the opposite wing. A John Collins/Julius Randle type, and then you can pair Ant with Dame to get a really potent attack.

 

[wizenheimer]

I have not seen Hebert Jones play. Nothing in his numbers are particularly impressive other than his 3pt%, although that's only for 2 attempts a game. I have seen people say he's an excellent defender....is that the main attraction?

 

[TBpup]

Oh, I absolutely agree, but I also think it's highly likely that they would simply walk away at that price (which, of course, is fine as well).

Well stated. Of course we would love to have him, and CJ is certainly the better player, but it's CJ's contract that is the problem. If CJ were around the $20M range, I imagine the packages we could get back would be much better. In some ways, part of what Portland is getting back is that they no longer have CJ's contract. Other GM's know that. So they don't feel like they have to include much more talent to equate to what CJ can do on the court.

We will most likely 'lose' from a talent standpoint, but may be better from a balance and cap-space standpoint for this Summer.

 

[illmatic99]

I have not seen Hebert Jones play. Nothing in his numbers are particularly impressive other than his 3pt%, although that's only for 2 attempts a game. I have seen people say he's an excellent defender....is that the main attraction?

He's decent for a rookie. But people forget he's 23 and almost a yr older than Ant.

 

[TBpup]

In his 6+ yrs as a starter and even during his time without Dame, has CJ ever been trapped like Ant has been? I think Ant's ceiling is higher than CJ's. My target is another P&R player that we can pair with Ant on the opposite wing. A John Collins/Julius Randle type, and then you can pair Ant with Dame to get a really potent attack.

Randall can be had and ATL isn't asking a lot for Collins due to some of their own issues. In Collins case, it just stinks to have to give up assets for someone NeO should have drafted in the first place.

 

[Scalma]

RAPTOR grades out Kenrich Williams as the sixth best defender in the league, third best non big behind Caruso and Thybulle. Should be a primary target imo.

 

[illmatic99]

I also am skeptical about Jones' 3pt% sustaining. His college numbers with a much larger sample size were not that great.

 

[illmatic99]

RAPTOR grades out Kenrich Williams as the sixth best defender in the league, third best non big behind Caruso and Thybulle. Should be a primary target imo.

News came out yesterday that OKC wants a first for him. No thanks

 

[TBpup]

I also am skeptical about Jones' 3pt% sustaining. His college numbers with a much larger sample size were not that great.

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Agreed that he wasn't very good in college. What is a good sign, is that when he started shooting more, his percentage went up quite a bit. He doesn't take a lot, but is averaging the same number of attempts his rookie year in the NBA as his senior year in college. There is now a 2-year track record of him being better when he shoots more. He took almost as many per game his senior year as he did his freshman through junior year combined.

 

[Fitz303]

I have not seen Hebert Jones play. Nothing in his numbers are particularly impressive other than his 3pt%, although that's only for 2 attempts a game. I have seen people say he's an excellent defender....is that the main attraction?

He's basically a less explosive, better shooting, Nassir Little. High effort defensively, will push tempo and attack the rim (just not as forcefully as Nas), and can shoot the ball

 

[James lamphear]

Anyway you look at it either CJ Simons or Powell at least one but prefer 2 of these guys must go. You can't have 4 guards lists at 6'3 is not winning common nation.

 

[Scalma]

Btw RAPTOR (im gonna annoy myself with how much I reference it) has Herb Jones ranked as the 55th best player in the league based on WAR, tied with Finney Smith. Kenrich is #71.

some other possible trade targets

Smart: #36
Simmons: #37 last season
Siakam: #92
Turner: #111 (nurk top 20 lol)
Okoro: #160
Wood: #170
Grant: #212 (yikes but also dumb role)


Obviously this is just one metric but thought it was interesting anyway.

 

[Scalma]

Lol Kings said no thanks peace to Philly

 

[RR7]

 

[Haakzilla]

RAPTOR grades out Kenrich Williams as the sixth best defender in the league, third best non big behind Caruso and Thybulle. Should be a primary target imo.

...seems like Kenny Hustle would do well under the new Billups regime -- and the price would seemingly be low so whatever it takes to be highest bidder would still be worth it. Who else is out there as a top secret defender??