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e_blazer said:
And you say this based on what legal precept? If you concede that a fetus is a human being then you have a problem with a law that allows for depriving a person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law... A generic law allowing for abortions wouldn't constitute due process for each individual fetus.

I hate that this is an issue where people try to lawyer up to support their viewpoint. I'd much prefer that the issue be dealt with directly through legislative process to come to a standard that the majority of Americans support and then people just deal with the adopted law.
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Good post sir! Leave it to the states to find the solutions, one may be the better solution. Not everything requires a single answer.
 
Denny Crane said:
Even if you concede that a fetus is a human being, this is a situation where taking the life is just as acceptable. The fetus has NO RIGHT to the woman's body without her permission.
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One might argue that by willingly participating in the act that resulted in the sharing of the body, rights to said body has been granted to all spermatozoa permitted inside.
 
I believe people who don't believe in abortion should be free to not have abortions but stay the fuck out of the decision making process for anyone who believes in abortion...simple. Freedom of choice!
 
riverman said:
I believe people who don't believe in abortion should be free to not have abortions but stay the fuck out of the decision making process for anyone who believes in abortion...simple. Freedom of choice!
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I believe people who don't believe in child labor should be free to not have child labor, but stay out of the decision making process for anyone who believes in child labor...simple. Freedom of choice!

Yeah, that logic doesn't necessarily hold up.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
One might argue that by willingly participating in the act that resulted in the sharing of the body, rights to said body has been granted to all spermatozoa permitted inside.
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That does seem to be implicit consent to the resulting occupation.
 
riverman said:
I believe people who don't believe in abortion should be free to not have abortions but stay the fuck out of the decision making process for anyone who believes in abortion...simple. Freedom of choice!
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Well if you can have your reasons for murder being authorized, can I have mine?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I believe people who don't believe in child labor should be free to not have child labor, but stay out of the decision making process for anyone who believes in child labor...simple. Freedom of choice!

Yeah, that logic doesn't necessarily hold up.
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not even in the same ballpark as committing to raising and mentoring a child..way to interpret my freedom of choice to child labor ....what's next, slavery or torture? That argument is sort of meant for the child labor law thread. Rape or incest are where I support a woman's right to choose abortion..also disease or life threatening conditions....but you've got them making tennis shoes as an example?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Obviously I'm discussing the rule (consensual sex) rather than the exception (rape).
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That's a different discussion than abortion laws though...and a woman's right to not accept an unwanted pregnancy for various reasons.
 
riverman said:
you distort the term murder in my reality
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You stick your head in the sand when some murders are committed. Sucking the brains out of a child before the shoulders exit the birth canal being one.
Some times a little later too I gather, perhaps any time before mother and child leave the clinic works.
 
MarAzul said:
You stick your head in the sand when some murders are committed. Sucking the brains out of a child before the shoulders exit the birth canal being one.
Some time a little later too I gather.
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Sorry.....I'm not sticking my head in the sand for fucking anything.....I'm sticking to my value system...I don't care if you disrespect it or not...maybe I should link some crackhead baby photos so you can see how humane your values can be eh?
 
riverman said:
Sorry.....I'm not sticking my head in the sand for fucking anything.....I'm sticking to my value system...I don't care if you disrespect it or not...maybe I should link some crackhead baby photos so you can see how humane your values can be eh?
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Ha! I might agree that aborting crack heads is a good idea. Write the law! We can have a vote on it. Do it in every State! Sure as hell better than having a meaningless discussion on the generic subject every Presidential election with no climax ever achieved.
 
riverman said:
Rape or incest are where I support a woman's right to choose abortion..also disease or life threatening conditions.
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Then you're not the person to whom any of my comments are relevant. Kindly back off, and let people like Denny reply, because the situations you outline are not in the realm of this discussion.
 
River is correct in some cases. The abortion has already been started long before the clinic gets involved. It just remains for the clean up to be done in the clinic to finish the job.
Society is much better off when we allow the clean up to proceed unhindered.
 
riverman said:
Not all people define life the same....or the taking of it but I respect your choices..do what gives you great joy but don't dictate what others justify as necessary...we're not an endangered species ....then there's the death penalty..taking people's life...then war....taking people's lives is not confined to abortion. I've never heard of any woman aborting a fully formed child....I've never met one who would risk an abortion past 3 months. How many sperm cells have you left to die in a tissue? Is that life? I'm completely pro choice and in 3 decades of marriage...had one child. I don't think people should have 8 babies but they are free to do so even if I choose not to
I'm very happy to live where there are these options and freedoms
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OK, I can respect your viewpoint.
I guess I just don't believe people should use it as a crutch for BC is all.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
One might argue that by willingly participating in the act that resulted in the sharing of the body, rights to said body has been granted to all spermatozoa permitted inside.
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What have I said that is any different from your response to a post? You are talking about abortion....I talked about abortion..I don't stop Denny from posting anything he wants....nor do you...you may not be interested in my take but I'm kindly staying in the conversation...I might suggest the PM mode if you want a private conversation with Denny
 
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PtldPlatypus said:
because the situations you outline are not in the realm of this discussion.
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sure they were...what you're saying is you don't want them in the realm of YOUR discussions. Ignore me and you won't be bothered anymore.
 
As Trump showed himself (surprise!) completely ignorant on late term abortion (note: there is no such thing as "partial birth abortion"; it has no medical definition and was made up by opponents of legal abortion because it sounds gruesome; very bad journalism to use a false and inflammatory term), a Utah woman posted her story.

http://www.self.com/story/late-term-abortion-story
Alyson Draper is a Mormon mother of six in Utah who had a late abortion.

The process she described is now illegal in Utah; a woman would have to undergo a more grueling and dangerous procedure.

I don't expect her or me to change the minds of serial misogynists on the board but there may be some thoughtful males who wonder why a woman would have a late abortion. Mrs. Draper tells why.

Contrary to Trump, it is not because women are so stupid they contemplate their navels for 8 months, 3 weeks, 6 days, and then decide to have an abortion out of female caprice. Nor do we need male experts like Trump to inform us what pregnancy really entails.
 
riverman said:
sure they were...what you're saying is you don't want them in the realm of YOUR discussions. Ignore me and you won't be bothered anymore.
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Ugh. You're arguing against a point I'm not making. But I'll gladly ignore you for the remainder of this thread.
 
riverman said:
What have I said that is any different from your response to a post? You are talking about abortion....I talked about abortion..I don't stop Denny from posting anything he wants....nor do you...you may not be interested in my take but I'm kindly staying in the conversation...I might suggest the PM mode if you want a private conversation with Denny
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I wasn't talking about abortion so much as about the legal argument Denny was making regarding a fetus having a right to use of the woman's body.

Compartmentalization is an important skill for rational discourse.
 
blue32 said:
LOL. Quit trollin'. ;)

My opinion, I am all about the right to choose when it comes down to certain circumstances, rape, incest, medical issues, etc. But when it comes to just using it as a form of birth control, no thanks. Hillary however takes it to the extreme and wants to allow this to happen regardless. I find it appalling. If people can't support a family stop having sex, be responsible for your actions instead of using 'abortion' as BC.
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Then obviously you are not for the right to choose. You are only for women making choices you personally approve of.

Have you every, once in your life, had heterosexual intercourse?
Stop having sex if you don't want to support a child 18 years.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I wasn't talking about abortion so much as about the legal argument Denny was making regarding a fetus having a right to use of the woman's body.

Compartmentalization is an important skill for rational discourse.
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PtldPlatypus said:
Ugh. You're arguing against a point I'm not making. But I'll gladly ignore you for the remainder of this thread.
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You are seeing my post as an argument...when actually I was just saying the the "willing" was a big part of the rights part of sperm entering a fetus....now maybe you just preferred to skip that part of the process and my bringing it up irritated you...oh well...that's what I get for thinking I'm adding to the conversation eh
 
crandc said:
As Trump showed himself (surprise!) completely ignorant on late term abortion (note: there is no such thing as "partial birth abortion"; it has no medical definition and was made up by opponents of legal abortion because it sounds gruesome; very bad journalism to use a false and inflammatory term), a Utah woman posted her story.

http://www.self.com/story/late-term-abortion-story
Alyson Draper is a Mormon mother of six in Utah who had a late abortion.

The process she described is now illegal in Utah; a woman would have to undergo a more grueling and dangerous procedure.

I don't expect her or me to change the minds of serial misogynists on the board but there may be some thoughtful males who wonder why a woman would have a late abortion. Mrs. Draper tells why.

Contrary to Trump, it is not because women are so stupid they contemplate their navels for 8 months, 3 weeks, 6 days, and then decide to have an abortion out of female caprice. Nor do we need male experts like Trump to inform us what pregnancy really entails.
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That was interesting...thanks for the link. I'd never heard about this before
 
e_blazer said:
And you say this based on what legal precept? If you concede that a fetus is a human being then you have a problem with a law that allows for depriving a person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law... A generic law allowing for abortions wouldn't constitute due process for each individual fetus.

I hate that this is an issue where people try to lawyer up to support their viewpoint. I'd much prefer that the issue be dealt with directly through legislative process to come to a standard that the majority of Americans support and then people just deal with the adopted law.
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Self defense. A woman's body is her "castle."
 
PtldPlatypus said:
One might argue that by willingly participating in the act that resulted in the sharing of the body, rights to said body has been granted to all spermatozoa permitted inside.
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People have sex for reasons other than procreation. It is the woman who grants permission for an embryo to share her body.

I also do believe life begins at conception. The science says so. Spermatozoa aren't conceptions.

The science is the DNA is human and unique. Even the first cell.
 
MarAzul said:
Yes, yes, we have heard these before and I am not about to discuss the meaning of liberty or the stretching of the meaning. But tell us how you derive the court dictating the text of a law.


You know, which trimester is for this or that.
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When you decide anyone else's liberty, it's no longer Liberty.
 
Denny Crane said:
People have sex for reasons other than procreation. It is the woman who grants permission for an embryo to share her body.

I also do believe life begins at conception. The science says so. Spermatozoa aren't conceptions.

The science is the DNA is human and unique. Even the first cell.
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Honest question. Do you think it's okay to use abortion as birth control, if the person had waited to long to use the other things like "morning after" or whatever?
 
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