THE "OFFICIAL" AROUND THE NBA 2012-13 THREAD........... (1 Viewer)

[KingSpeed]

Love is garbage. And he broke his hand jerking off in his bed. No joke.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

kevin love gives handjobs to guys?

 

[KingSpeed]

kevin love gives handjobs to guys?

Only himself.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

well yeah, thats what i meant

he also gets handjobs from a guy

 

[KingSpeed]

Rubio has sucked Love's dick and I know this for a fact.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

dirk is starting real slow, 8 points tonight

 

[KingSpeed]

I think Dirk is done. He gave everything he had for 2011 NBA Championship. He has nothing left. He could win one or two more as a 6th man if he wanted but he's done as an All Star level player.

 

[MickZagger]

I think Dirk is done. He gave everything he had for 2011 NBA Championship. He has nothing left. He could win one or two more as a 6th man if he wanted but he's done as an All Star level player.

Your point?

 

[KingSpeed]

Your point?

My point is suck my dick, Mick

 

[3RA1N1AC]

dirk had a 22 PER last year, i guess i didnt pay attention to his injury, what was it again?

 

[NOVoodoo]

Anyone think that the Nuggets are a better team than the Knicks?

All the hype is surrounding the Knicks, but it seems to me that if you swapped their schedules, Denver would have a better record than the Knicks right now, especially when the 82 game season is all said and done.

Denver's frontcourt is just insanely intimidating. Three seven-footers to go with Faried and Gallinari... it's hard to get a rebound against those guys, much less defend them when Gallinari and Koufos are out there stretching the defense. Javale McGee is also underrated, considering how most people (myself included) usually just clown on the stupid plays he makes. For every stupid play the guy makes though, he makes some incredible game-saving blocks, rebounds, and dunks that 99% of the league could only dream of making.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

nugs are aight, but they arent the kinda team that can grind it out in the playoffs

 

[NOVoodoo]

nugs are aight, but they arent the kinda team that can grind it out in the playoffs

I think this year's squad is a bit different than last year's now that their new additions after the Nene trade are starting to mesh, but more than anything, I see them as a match-up nightmare for teams that rely heavily on their great frontcourts or creating offense around the rim. If they get in a #4/5 match-up with the Clippers, Grizzlies, or Spurs, I can see them pulling the upset. The Clippers are a bit of an exception because they have such a great perimeter game and great shooters, but once you neutralize Blake and co. in the post and don't allow any offensive boards, that becomes a whole 'nother series.

 

[KingSpeed]

Anyone think that the Nuggets are a better team than the Knicks?

All the hype is surrounding the Knicks, but it seems to me that if you swapped their schedules, Denver would have a better record than the Knicks right now, especially when the 82 game season is all said and done.

Denver's frontcourt is just insanely intimidating. Three seven-footers to go with Faried and Gallinari... it's hard to get a rebound against those guys, much less defend them when Gallinari and Koufos are out there stretching the defense. Javale McGee is also underrated, considering how most people (myself included) usually just clown on the stupid plays he makes. For every stupid play the guy makes though, he makes some incredible game-saving blocks, rebounds, and dunks that 99% of the league could only dream of making.

The Knicka have had a slew of injuries and are still second in the East. When mostly healthy, they blew out the Heat twice. Meanwhile, the Nuggets are garbage. We beat them without all our guys.

 

[KingSpeed]

I think this year's squad is a bit different than last year's now that their new additions after the Nene trade are starting to mesh, but more than anything, I see them as a match-up nightmare for teams that rely heavily on their great frontcourts or creating offense around the rim. If they get in a #4/5 match-up with the Clippers, Grizzlies, or Spurs, I can see them pulling the upset. The Clippers are a bit of an exception because they have such a great perimeter game and great shooters, but once you neutralize Blake and co. in the post and don't allow any offensive boards, that becomes a whole 'nother series.

Haha Nuggets will be lucky to get the 8th seed. They won't be anywhere near the 5th seed.

 

[MickZagger]

My point is suck my dick, Mick

I'll have to locate my microscope and tweezers first, Zach.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

kinky

 

[Further]

This thread just gave my sig a quote.

 

[NOVoodoo]

The Knicka have had a slew of injuries and are still second in the East. When mostly healthy, they blew out the Heat twice. Meanwhile, the Nuggets are garbage. We beat them without all our guys.

Being second in the East is like being on the playoff bubble in the West.

As for the "when healthy" argument for the Knicks, look at all of the teams around the league that have had bigger injury problems than the Knicks. If anything, the Amare Stoudemire situation has helped them to this point and will only put their situation in jeopardy in the future. They've got a good thing going right now, and adding a one-dimensional offensive player that's sub-par defensively and demands the ball to be effective is not exactly going to help the situation.

The 100 lb elephant in the room isn't even Stoudemire though, and it's not even their collective age, which should still be an issue, because even though their old timers have held up well in the first 1/3rd of the year, that doesn't attest to longevity in the least. Rather, the 100 lb elephant is J.R. Smith. While he's made a bunch of game winners, highlight plays, and had some big nights, the fact of the matter is that he's still not a good team player. Watching him play, it's clear he's got the same problems that guys like Ben Gordon and O.J. Mayo have. He's a high volume scorer who makes very poor decisions offensively. While he may make the shot that will win you the game, your team is only in that position because he made ten horrible decisions prior.

As for you beating the Nuggets, that doesn't say anything. It's an 82 game long season and teams will lose all sorts of games. You can't use the transitive property when it comes to sports.

Haha Nuggets will be lucky to get the 8th seed. They won't be anywhere near the 5th seed.

If you look at the schedule they've played, the Nuggets have actually fared better than most people would have expected. They've had one of the league's hardest schedules, not necessarily even in terms of their opponents, but in terms of their road trips, back-to-backs, etc.

The Nuggets have played more road games (22) than any other team in the league, playing a schedule against a high level of competition with rough turnarounds, yet they've come out of it all three games over .500. (For reference, Portland has played 14 road games this year. An eight road game differential is pretty significant. I'm sure HCP would attest to that, having traveled with the team.)

From watching them play, they look every bit as good as the teams that are in the top five seed range and are far from a fringe playoff team. If they keep up this level of play, they're a lock.

Regardless, the point is that, whether it's a #4/5 or a #3/6 match-up, teams like the Clippers, Spurs, and Grizzlies could easily get upset by the Nuggets in the first round, simply from a match-up perspective, with Denver's height and rebounding ability (they're currently #1 in the NBA in team rebounds btw).

Hell, they're 2-1 against the Grizzlies, 1-0 against the Spurs, and 2-0 against the Warriors on the year. I'd say it's not out of line to consider Denver a bigger threat than most 'analysts' and posters do, when those 'analysts' and posters just look at the standings or how their team did against them in a one game sample size to make an assessment of an opposing team.

 

[KingSpeed]

Oh dear. Where to start?

First of all, I'm not even talking about Amare or even Shumpert (don't forget him) when talking about injuries for the Knicks. I'm talking about Melo, Sheed, and now Felton. And still, the Knicks are 21-9, better than 5th in the West. So your argument there is garbage.

Second of all, most analysts picked the Nuggets to finish high in the standings. In fact, ESPN Magazine picked Denver to finish with the #1 seed. But they have wildly disappointed. No, they are not three games above .500 as you erroneously pointed out. They are 17-15. That's right. They have more losses than the Blazers, a team that has been working FIVE ROOKIES into the rotation while playing 12 of their first 19 on the road.

The Knicks are awesome and will improve. The Nuggets are garbage.

Learn the game, then post.

 

[NOVoodoo]

Oh dear. Where to start?

First of all, I'm not even talking about Amare or even Shumpert (don't forget him) when talking about injuries for the Knicks. I'm talking about Melo, Sheed, and now Felton. And still, the Knicks are 21-9, better than 5th in the West. So your argument there is garbage.

Felton? He's only missed two games so far, and they're 1-1 in that stretch, barely beat the Phoenix Suns and lost to the Sacramento fuckin Kings. You realize that hurts your point, right?

Shumpert? Have you ever watched Shumpert play? Giving Shumpert the reigns of the team is like giving a mentally challenged kid the keys to a sports car. I can't think of a starting point guard in the league who's more of a detriment to their franchise than Shumpert.

As for the record, you do realize that teams play teams from their conference roughly twice as much as they play teams from the opposing conference, right? If the Knicks played out West, they would not have the record that they have in the East.

I can't believe I even had to explain that one to you...

Second of all, most analysts picked the Nuggets to finish high in the standings.

What the fuck does it matter what ESPN Magazine projected anyone?

Oh dear. Where to start?

Learn the game, then post.

How about starting by actually addressing the way the teams play instead of just quoting records like a stat geek.

Do you have anything to say other than "Knicks are awesome!" and "Nuggets are trash!" without backing any of that shit up?

 

[KingSpeed]

Felton? He's only missed two games so far, and they're 1-1 in that stretch, barely beat the Phoenix Suns and lost to the Sacramento fuckin Kings. You realize that hurts your point, right?

Rasheed, Felton, and Melo all missed the game against the Kings. And yet, they rallied from a 27 point deficit and almost won the game. If they were healthy, they win easy and they're 22-8. That PROVES my point.

Shumpert? Have you ever watched Shumpert play? Giving Shumpert the reigns of the team is like giving a mentally challenged kid the keys to a sports car. I can't think of a starting point guard in the league who's more of a detriment to their franchise than Shumpert.

During Linsanity, it was Shumpert who locked up the opposing PG and they ran off like 7 or 8 wins in a row. He can also hit the long ball.

As for the record, you do realize that teams play teams from their conference roughly twice as much as they play teams from the opposing conference, right? If the Knicks played out West, they would not have the record that they have in the East.

How many Western teams have had to play the defending champs twice this season? And how many of them blew out the defending champions both times? I rest my case.

What the fuck does it matter what ESPN Magazine projected anyone?

YOU were the one who said analysts don't think of Denver of as big of a threat as you believe they are. I pointed to ESPN Magazine as one of MANY analysts who picked Denver to finish higher than they are.

How about starting by actually addressing the way the teams play instead of just quoting records like a stat geek.

YOU were the one who said the Nuggets were three games over .500, Mr stat Geek! You were ALL OVER the stats. 22 games on the road, 9-1 at home, blah blah blah. PLEASE learn the game before posting.

Do you have anything to say other than "Knicks are awesome!" and "Nuggets are trash!" without backing any of that shit up?

I had a lot to say. And it was all 100% TRUE.

 

[KingSpeed]

More knowledge about Shumpert: 9.5 ppg, 3.2 rpg, and 2.8 apg in rookie year. He was also a +9. No bad at all. The Knicks and their fans can't wait to have him come back.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

31-day months are awful when you have a 30-day prescription...

 

[NOVoodoo]

Rasheed, Felton, and Melo all missed the game against the Kings. And yet, they rallied from a 27 point deficit and almost won the game. If they were healthy, they win easy and they're 22-8. That PROVES my point.

No, your point was that they had this great record despite injury problems, whereas they were clearly only down two injured players this year who were both detriments to the team - Shumpert and Stoudemire, whereas Felton has only missed the past two games, and they've looked like clowns without him.

During Linsanity, it was Shumpert who locked up the opposing PG and they ran off like 7 or 8 wins in a row. He can also hit the long ball.

Shumpert is erratic. He's not built to be an NBA point guard, at least at this point. His decision making is laughable, and I'm not just talking about his poor FG% and turnovers. I'm saying that he even plays worse than those statistics, if you'd actually watch him play.

How many Western teams have had to play the defending champs twice this season? And how many of them blew out the defending champions both times? I rest my case.

You have to be a complete idiot to think that the Western teams don't have a harder grind than the Knicks.

Beating the Miami heat twice is grounds for being a great team?

How about this...

The Grizzlies blew out the Knicks, they blew out the Heat, they blew out the Lakers, they blew out the Thunder in OKC, they have a better record, they play in the West, yet the Knicks still receive ten times the national media attention.

Not to mention, to the original point, that the Knicks' Heat wins really don't mean much when they're not facing the type of schedule the Nuggets have faced. You've still yet to address that one.

YOU were the one who said analysts don't think of Denver of as big of a threat as you believe they are. I pointed to ESPN Magazine as one of MANY analysts who picked Denver to finish higher than they are.

The holes in your logic are gaping kid. So because ESPN Magazine (not ESPN, but "ESPN Magazine") made some bold prediction about the Nuggets to attract readership, that means that most analysts were high on Denver? That's not the case at all. In fact, J.A. Adande, who writes for ESPN Magazine, was embarrassed by that projection. The reality is that most analysts did not expect them do be doing as well as they are (and will eventually be) doing.

YOU were the one who said the Nuggets were three games over .500, Mr stat Geek! You were ALL OVER the stats. 22 games on the road, 9-1 at home, blah blah blah. PLEASE learn the game before posting.

When I reference stats, it's because it's something that's applicable to what's going on, and they're pertinent to the discussion. I don't just say stupid things like "THIS TEAM HAD A BETTER RECORD THAN THAT TEAM!" ... I bring in specifics. "Stat Geek" may have been a misuse of words... maybe "fantasy basketball geek?" Stats geek is too complimentary for someone who doesn't understand the statistics involved.

And by the way, cut out the "learn the game," bullshit. You're trying to be a flamer, and it ain't working.

I had a lot to say. And it was all 100% TRUE.

You failed to address any of my real points. You failed to talk about either teams style of play. You also failed to think big picture. Overall, you failed to say anything.

 

[KingSpeed]

Blah blah blah. Now you're not even reading correctly. I was never talking about injuries to Shumpert or Amare. I was talking about injuries to the team they started the season with. Melo has missed a bunch of games, as had Sheed, and losing Felton for a couple games hurt as well. I was never talking about Amare or Shumpert. Read post #1280. Read it slowly so that you clearly understand what was posted.

No analyst picked Denver to be so low in the standings. Find me an NBA preview that picked Denver to be the 7th seed or worse. Go ahead. Check with J.A. Adande and get back to me. You'll be disappointed.

You claim to bring in specifics but your specifics are wrong. The Nuggets aren't three games over .500 and you saying it so won't make it happen.

Is beating the Heat signs of being a good team? Maybe not once. But when you do it TWICE and they are blowouts, it's time to take notice. The Knicks are one of the feel good stories of the year. If you actually watch their games, you'd know they play for each other in such an unselfish way. They love each other and they are having fun. I haven't seen a team have this much fun in a long time. And their good spirit is paying dividends. They have risen from the 8 seed last year to the 2 seed right now. Tyson Chandler is playing out of his mind. And Jason Kidd makes them better in so many ways that don't show up on the box score. They are essentially a better version of the 2011 NBA Champions. Both team's had Kidd at PG and Chandler at C,. Melo replaces Dirk. And then the Knicks have more depth when healthy. Again, I'm not talking about Amare/Shumpert. I'm talking about Sheed who was GREAT for them when he played.

 

[Jayps15]

No, your point was that they had this great record despite injury problems, whereas they were clearly only down two injured players this year who were both detriments to the team - Shumpert and Stoudemire, whereas Felton has only missed the past two games, and they've looked like clowns without him.



Shumpert is erratic. He's not built to be an NBA point guard, at least at this point. His decision making is laughable, and I'm not just talking about his poor FG% and turnovers. I'm saying that he even plays worse than those statistics, if you'd actually watch him play.



You have to be a complete idiot to think that the Western teams don't have a harder grind than the Knicks.

Beating the Miami heat twice is grounds for being a great team?

How about this...

The Grizzlies blew out the Knicks, they blew out the Heat, they blew out the Lakers, they blew out the Thunder in OKC, they have a better record, they play in the West, yet the Knicks still receive ten times the national media attention.

Not to mention, to the original point, that the Knicks' Heat wins really don't mean much when they're not facing the type of schedule the Nuggets have faced. You've still yet to address that one.



The holes in your logic are gaping kid. So because ESPN Magazine (not ESPN, but "ESPN Magazine") made some bold prediction about the Nuggets to attract readership, that means that most analysts were high on Denver? That's not the case at all. In fact, J.A. Adande, who writes for ESPN Magazine, was embarrassed by that projection. The reality is that most analysts did not expect them do be doing as well as they are (and will eventually be) doing.



When I reference stats, it's because it's something that's applicable to what's going on, and they're pertinent to the discussion. I don't just say stupid things like "THIS TEAM HAD A BETTER RECORD THAN THAT TEAM!" ... I bring in specifics. "Stat Geek" may have been a misuse of words... maybe "fantasy basketball geek?" Stats geek is too complimentary for someone who doesn't understand the statistics involved.

And by the way, cut out the "learn the game," bullshit. You're trying to be a flamer, and it ain't working.



You failed to address any of my real points. You failed to talk about either teams style of play. You also failed to think big picture. Overall, you failed to say anything.

repped

 

[KingSpeed]

Also, when did I ever say Memphis was a bad team? I know they blew out all those teams and I think they're great. I look for them to sweep whomever they play in the first round. Would be great if it were somehow the Lakers.

 

[KingSpeed]

repped

Whatever

 

[NOVoodoo]

Blah blah blah. Now you're not even reading correctly. I was never talking about Shumpert or Amare. I was talking about injuries to the team they started the season with. Melo has missed a bunch of games, as had Sheed, and losing Felton for a couple games hurt as well. I was never talking about Amare or Shumpert. Read post #1280. Read it slowly so that you clearly understand what was posted.

No analyst picked Denver to be so low in the standings. Find me an NBA preview that picked Denver to be the 7th seed or worse. Go ahead. Check with J.A. Adande and get back to me. You'll be disappointed.

You claim to bring in specifics but your specifics are wrong. The Nuggets aren't three games over .500 and you saying it so won't make it happen.

Is beating the Heat signs of being a good team? Maybe not once. But when you do it TWICE and they are blowouts, it's time to take notice. The Knicks are one of the feel good stories of the year. If you actually watch their games, you'd know they play for each other in such an unselfish way. They love each other and they are having fun. I haven't seen a team have this much fun in a long time. And their good spirit is paying dividends. They have risen from the 8 seed last year to the 2 seed right now. Tyson Chandler is playing out of his mind. And Jason Kidd makes them better in so many ways that don't show up on the box score. They are essentially a better version of the 2011 NBA Champions. Both team's had Kidd at PG and Chandler at C,. Melo replaces Dirk. And then the Knicks have more depth when healthy. Again, I'm not talking about Amare/Shumpert. I'm talking about Sheed who was GREAT for them when he played.

Look, I'm done with this, because it's been dragged out to such minutia as me saying the Nuggets were three games over .500 instead of two (holy shit!)...

I could debate the ancillary points of our diatribes and get into the semantics of our posts, but that's counter-productive. Rather, I'm just going to restate the original points, so our back-and-forth doesn't completely hijack the "Around the NBA" thread....

- The Nuggets are a legitimate contender and create match-up problem for the likely #2-4 seeds. Their height and rebounding creates match-up issues for the best teams in the West.
- The Nuggets have had the toughest schedule in the NBA thus far, and their record (and especially not one particular loss) can not be taken for a measure of their ability.
- The New York Knicks are not as good as their current record, and factors that include J.R. Smith, their age, Amare Stoudemire, etc. will eventually bring them down to reality. "Reality" might mean 2nd or 3rd place in the East, but the Knicks wouldn't have home court advantage, in my opinion, if they played an 82 game season out West.

Those were my points. I'm tired of arguing the petty bullshit, as I'm sure you are. Happy New Years to you all...