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Pinwheel1 said:
I believe he said he would. And if it is Toronto or Brooklyn I think after a couple of days he will be excited about the potential.
What I wouldn't do is talk to him first. Just trade for him and then sell him on why he is a good fit. Which should not be too hard except for maybe the weather in the winter.
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Dame has spent a dozen winters in Portland - he'll be fine heading south for a winter in Toronto.
 
Idog1976 said:
Maybe he wasn't, but something shifted in Ujiri's thinking. That makes me less wanting Barnes, but he's by far the best young piece I can imagine that is actually in the realm of remote possibility. I think Barnes has all the upside in the world and believe that he can correct the atrocious shooting and get it to the reasonable level. We need defenders who are switchable and Barnes is still fairly elite in that category, with Scoot's magic he could really flourish as a cutter especially if he has 2 of Sharpe, GTJ in my trade scenario(s) and Simons also on the floor out at the 3pt line. Barnes could really go off as a cutter in that environment.
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I think his shooting will improve.

You missed one more thing about Barnes. He has become a solid playmaker through only two seasons. 4.8/2.0 assists to turnover ratio, very impressive for a young forward, given he is also already so strong in other areas.

When Scoot is on the bench, surround him with Ant, Sharpe, Grant, and another shooter. Scottie Barnes in a couple seasons has a high likelihood of becoming a Ben Simmons kind of player. Simmons, Draymond, we’ve needed someone like this for so long. Obviously, if Barnes is available, he’s my #1 target.
 
BankTeller said:
I think his shooting will improve.

You missed one more thing about Barnes. He has become a solid playmaker through only two seasons. 4.8/2.0 assists to turnover ratio, very impressive for a young forward, given he is also already so strong in other areas.

When Scoot is on the bench, surround him with Ant, Sharpe, Grant, and another shooter. Scottie Barnes in a couple seasons has a high likelihood of becoming a Ben Simmons kind of player. Simmons, Draymond, we’ve needed someone like this for so long. Obviously, if Barnes is available, he’s my #1 target.
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Agree 100%. He has shot over 50% from the 2-point range both years and shot 77% from the line last year.
His 3-point shot will improve and if it doesn't I don't care because of what else he brings every night. I think he fits in perfectly next to Grant on the front line and at 225 lbs can play both forward positions.

I assume that Boucher's 11 million would also need to be included along with Porter and Young who we could flip or cut. Precious would be ideal to add but to be honest if we got the 22-year-old Barnes, I could care less about anything else including draft picks. Now I know SharpesTriumph will spit up his coffee when he reads that, but realistically with Toronto having to give up 5-6 players just to match salaries, I doubt they will be willing to add picks as well. I wouldn't if I were them.

Long-term Scoot, Sharpe, and Barnes is a solid trio to build abound. I even think Murray's and Simon's skill set fits in well with that group too.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Agree 100%. He has shot over 50% from the 2-point range both years and shot 77% from the line last year.
His 3-point shot will improve and if it doesn't I don't care because of what else he brings every night. I think he fits in perfectly next to Grant on the front line and at 225 lbs can play both forward positions.

I assume that Boucher's 11 million would also need to be included along with Porter and Young who we could flip or cut. Precious would be ideal to add but to be honest if we got the 22-year-old Barnes, I could care less about anything else including draft picks. Now I know SharpesTriumph will spit up his coffee when he reads that, but realistically with Toronto having to give up 5-6 players just to match salaries, I doubt they will be willing to add picks as well. I wouldn't if I were them.

Long-term Scoot, Sharpe, and Barnes is a solid trio to build abound. I even think Murray's and Simon's skill set fits in well with that group too.
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Barnes is actually one of the few players I'm totally ok getting instead of great picks. Sounds like Toronto has zero interest though.

Its the OG/Siakam/Jaylen Brown/Claxton guys instead of picks I hate the idea of - as they don't make sense now with Dame gone, and later will be of little value on their looming extensions. I greatly prefer unprotected picks to those players.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Barnes is actually one of the few players I'm totally ok getting instead of great picks. Sounds like Toronto has zero interest though.

Its the OG/Siakam/Jaylen Brown/Claxton guys instead of picks I hate the idea of - as they don't make sense now with Dame gone, and later will be of little value on their looming extensions. I greatly prefer unprotected picks to those players.
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If Toronto is actually interested in Dame, then they have to include OG. It is one or the other (Barnes or OG)
So let's say Toronto is willing to part with OG, what is a realistic package we should take? He does have 2 years left as does Boucher.
I would say Precious needs to be included as well. That just leaves filler (either Young or Porter-Toronto's choice)

Given that how many picks would you demand before we walk away from the offer? I don't think we could get more than one.
I would be happy with OG as our SF next to Grant, with Boucher and Precious as backups.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Barnes is actually one of the few players I'm totally ok getting instead of great picks. Sounds like Toronto has zero interest though.

Its the OG/Siakam/Jaylen Brown/Claxton guys instead of picks I hate the idea of - as they don't make sense now with Dame gone, and later will be of little value on their looming extensions. I greatly prefer unprotected picks to those players.
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Claxton is exactly the guy Portland should be interested. Twenty four and developing great.
 
I can see Toronto making sense as the 3rd team moving OG for Herro. They get a good scorer and playmaker who is already locked in, versus OG, who can potentially walk, and likely make more than Herro. And run with a 2/3/4 of Herro, Barnes, siakim.
There's risk for us in OG walking as well. I don't mind overpaying him because we still have Sharpe and Scoot on their lower rookie scale deals for the majority of OGs large extension.
I can see Cronin not expecting next year to be a full on bottoming out(why retain grant if that was the ultimate goal), because there isn't that amazing wemby type prospect. I can see a Scoot/Sharpe/OG/Grant/Ayton lineup, where you have young vets that could potentially grow together, and gives talent around Scoot and Sharpe to still learn good habits versus gunning and tanking.
 
You're probably right: TOR won't give up Barnes. OG and other stuff
 
Pinwheel1 said:
If Toronto is actually interested in Dame, then they have to include OG. It is one or the other (Barnes or OG)
So let's say Toronto is willing to part with OG, what is a realistic package we should take? He does have 2 years left as does Boucher.
I would say Precious needs to be included as well. That just leaves filler (either Young or Porter-Toronto's choice)

Given that how many picks would you demand before we walk away from the offer? I don't think we could get more than one.
I would be happy with OG as our SF next to Grant, with Boucher and Precious as backups.
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two picks, minimum, because OG will almost certainly opt out next summer and could leave. He's overrated too, IMO, at least in terms of him being 26 and a long ways below all-star level. Blazers could end up paying 90M/year for Grant-Ant-OG and none of those guys close to all-star level

Toronto would have to send out close to 37M in salary. OG + Boucher leaves them about 6.5M short. I'd like McDaniels but that would require a 1 for 4 trade and the Blazers don't have the room
 
Pinwheel1 said:
If Toronto is actually interested in Dame, then they have to include OG. It is one or the other (Barnes or OG)
So let's say Toronto is willing to part with OG, what is a realistic package we should take? He does have 2 years left as does Boucher.
I would say Precious needs to be included as well. That just leaves filler (either Young or Porter-Toronto's choice)

Given that how many picks would you demand before we walk away from the offer? I don't think we could get more than one.
I would be happy with OG as our SF next to Grant, with Boucher and Precious as backups.
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OG will be a free agent after the season so its only an expiring deal he is locked up for.

I just don't think the Blazers need to focus on finishing piece of their starting lineup right now as your describing. They need need to add assets and develop young players. Yes its good to have some contributing veterans, but that can be Thybulle level players - it doesn't need to be very good starters or borderline allstar that are worth multiple unprotected picks.

If Toronto is offering the most assets I'd route OG elsewhere for picks. Its his injury history and upcoming months until that massive extension starts that greatly concern me, not his age or current level of play.

I'd prefer LaVine coming back and I'm not a LaVine fan - at least his contract is locked up so the Blazers have over a year to figure it out. OG would be another immediate concerns of how to flip him or risk he walks or sign him to an overpaid Grant type of deal. That would take away all future financial flexibility for this roster that just isn't good enough yet.
 
wizenheimer said:
two picks, minimum, because OG will almost certainly opt out next summer and could leave. He's overrated too, IMO, at least in terms of him being 26 and a long ways below all-star level. Blazers could end up paying 90M/year for Grant-Ant-OG and none of those guys close to all-star level

Toronto would have to send out close to 37M in salary. OG + Boucher leaves them about 6.5M short. I'd like McDaniels but that would require a 1 for 4 trade and the Blazers don't have the room
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Yeah, I need to stop looking at the ESPN trade machine for "years left" on the contract. Yes OG has just one year left as
you say. But I do like the energy Precious gives in a position of need.....so he needs to be included as well. I would rather have him than 1 of those 2 draft picks. He would be a fan favorite IMO. Still a 1-4 trade but we could redirect Porter or Young.
 
BIG Q said:
Claxton is exactly the guy Portland should be interested. Twenty four and developing great.
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If we can sign him in free agency - yes I'm on board.

If we have to give up multiple picks just for the chance to overpay him, as well as risk him walking for nothing in free agency? No it just doesn't make sense.
 
wizenheimer said:
Blazers could end up paying 90M/year for Grant-Ant-OG and none of those guys close to all-star level
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Sure in theory if we can get a ton of picks AND OG we do it - I just don't see Toronto ever offering that, we need to choose one or the other.

I'd be shocked if its under $100 million for those 3 - OG is better than both Grant and Simons so he's getting more, likely the max or very close. Grant's deal goes up to $36 million and Ant $28 million.

Just doesn't make sense to have the big return from a Dame trade be the opportunity to pay OG so much. The alternative to not paying him is he is a one year rental which obviously is stupid as well.

OG should go to a team that wants to win now - it makes the most sense and they should be willing to give up the most value for him.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
If Toronto is actually interested in Dame, then they have to include OG. It is one or the other (Barnes or OG)
So let's say Toronto is willing to part with OG, what is a realistic package we should take? He does have 2 years left as does Boucher.
I would say Precious needs to be included as well. That just leaves filler (either Young or Porter-Toronto's choice)

Given that how many picks would you demand before we walk away from the offer? I don't think we could get more than one.
I would be happy with OG as our SF next to Grant, with Boucher and Precious as backups.
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OG has a player option for next season. A guy that can opt out can't be the most valuable thing we get out of a trade for Dame. A rental in a year where it's not likely we even make the playoffs?!?

If the Raptors want Dame without giving up Scottie then they need to send expiring contracts, Dick, probably Koloko and there FRPs in 2028 and 2030.
 
So there was a rumor awhile back about Toronto trading Siakam to Atlanta and it sounded very close to happening and then fell apart for some reason. What do you guys think of this trade? We get a grip of young wings to choose from, Ayton, and a bunch of picks. The Suns get desperately needed cap relief and it's rumored Ayton for Nurk + filler (Little isn't even the worst filler he has potential if he can stay healthy), the Hawks get a second star to go alongside Trey hopefully keeping him happy, Toronto gets Dame to put next to Barnes, OG, Poetl, and Boucher, Young and other roleplayer vets without giving up Barnes. I think this works for all teams and also might I add, FUCK MIAMI!


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Idog1976 said:
So there was a rumor awhile back about Toronto trading Siakam to Atlanta and it sounded very close to happening and then fell apart for some reason. What do you guys think of this trade? We get a grip of young wings to choose from, Ayton, and a bunch of picks. The Suns get desperately needed cap relief and it's rumored Ayton for Nurk + filler (Little isn't even the worst filler he has potential if he can stay healthy), the Hawks get a second star to go alongside Trey hopefully keeping him happy, Toronto gets Dame to put next to Barnes, OG, Poetl, and Boucher, Young and other roleplayer vets without giving up Barnes. I think this works for all teams and also might I add, FUCK MIAMI!


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Good creativity - I like the idea.

Only thing I don't get is Toronto side, now I can see them wanting to trade away Siakam, but then why acquire Dame?

Seems like if they are going to win now with Dame they keep Siakam.

If they want to trade Siakam they aren't going to want to win now with Dame.

Also don't see Masai believing the upgrade from Siakam to Dame is worth 2 picks and Dick.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Good creativity - I like the idea.

Only thing I don't get is Toronto side, now I can see them wanting to trade away Siakam, but then why acquire Dame?

Seems like if they are going to win now with Dame they keep Siakam.

If they want to trade Siakam they aren't going to want to win now with Dame.

Also don't see Masai believing the upgrade from Siakam to Dame is worth 2 picks and Dick.
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I was on a Toronto fan page and someone pointed this possibility out of trading Siakam to Atlanta and Portland getting youth and picks from both teams and Toronto getting Dame to try and win nowish. They have to trade one of their forwards for cap reasons in the next year or two. They all say they are desperate for offense and they like the idea of Dame, but not gutting their roster and especially not giving up Barnes. It seems all indications are that they are willing to move on from Siakam, but have zero intention of letting Barnes go. Might need to get a 3rd pick from Atlanta and just one from Toronto. I feel like the overall frame works, but the Devil is in the details of course. It seems Toronto fan base is enamored of Barnes, but is willing to trade Siakam. Obviously I would prefer just trading direct for Barnes.
 
Idog1976 said:
So there was a rumor awhile back about Toronto trading Siakam to Atlanta and it sounded very close to happening and then fell apart for some reason. What do you guys think of this trade? We get a grip of young wings to choose from, Ayton, and a bunch of picks. The Suns get desperately needed cap relief and it's rumored Ayton for Nurk + filler (Little isn't even the worst filler he has potential if he can stay healthy), the Hawks get a second star to go alongside Trey hopefully keeping him happy, Toronto gets Dame to put next to Barnes, OG, Poetl, and Boucher, Young and other roleplayer vets without giving up Barnes. I think this works for all teams and also might I add, FUCK MIAMI!


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I’m pretty sure the Hawks are looking to get rid of Capela to open up more playing time for Okungwu because they are very high on him.

That’s also a whole lot for Siakam, no way they even consider that. I think they would consider Hunter, Capela (routed to PHX), and the 2 1sts.

I’m not exactly sure why we would rather have Dick than Koloko or Achiuwa. Minimum ask should be Siakam, Koloko, and the 2 1sts for Dame.

So overall, our return for Dame and Little would be Ayton, Hunter, Koloko, and 4 1sts. That package would be leaps and bounds better than MIA.
 
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BankTeller said:
I’m pretty sure the Hawks are looking to get rid of Capela to open up more playing time for Okungwu because they are very high on him.

That’s also a whole lot for Siakam, no way they even consider that. I think they would consider Hunter, Capela (routed to PHX), and the 2 1sts.

I’m not exactly sure why we would rather have Dick than Koloko or Achiuwa. Minimum ask should be Siakam, Koloko, and the 2 1sts for Dame.

So overall, our return for Dame and Little would be Ayton, Hunter, Koloko, and 4 1sts. That package would be leaps and bounds better than MIA.
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Hmm, that's really interesting. I don't know rosters as well as many, I just liked the novel idea of Raps + ATL + PHX + Fuck Miami as our trade partners.
 
RR7 said:
I can see Toronto making sense as the 3rd team moving OG for Herro. They get a good scorer and playmaker who is already locked in, versus OG, who can potentially walk, and likely make more than Herro. And run with a 2/3/4 of Herro, Barnes, siakim.
There's risk for us in OG walking as well. I don't mind overpaying him because we still have Sharpe and Scoot on their lower rookie scale deals for the majority of OGs large extension.
I can see Cronin not expecting next year to be a full on bottoming out(why retain grant if that was the ultimate goal), because there isn't that amazing wemby type prospect. I can see a Scoot/Sharpe/OG/Grant/Ayton lineup, where you have young vets that could potentially grow together, and gives talent around Scoot and Sharpe to still learn good habits versus gunning and tanking.
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If Raptors would consider Herro for OG (+ Thad young for contracts), I would try to swap Simons for OG.

Maybe include PHX & Ayton

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I've always held firm that its better for the Blazers to get picks or different players than OG.

But if the Blazers are insisting on trying to win soon as some report, I don't hate the idea of getting OG and Ayton here;

Scoot Ant
Sharpe Thybulle
OG NAS
Grant Murray
Ayton Reath

Has the most talent throughout all 5 starting spots since the LMA teams. Has basically the whole roster in their early to mid 20's.

Very concerned it might not work, but if the only downside is losing 2 Miami picks and not having the shitty defense of Jovic as a backup I think I may just be able to live with it.

Would love to drink the tears of Miami fans/media for months if this happens.
 
TBpup said:
The issue with getting OG is how much he is going to want next summer. Ugh!!
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That and his injuries. He will get a raise for sure, probably Ayton money.
Who would we rather have? Ayton is one year younger, less injuries, and is locked in for 3 seasons.
Both fill different needs. OG is a very good wing defender
 
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