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speeds said:
First off nice name, I read Tiger when I was like 16 and loved it.

There's a problem with this but I'll start by saying that Raps fans would love it. They are willing to trade OG and they are not sold on Dick as of right now, not totally at least (also, is it only 30-days from signing a rookie contract? that has lapsed if so, the trade moratorium). They think it was a low-ceiling pick. With that being said, if Giannis is at all available, Ujiri will surely spend his assets there.
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Scottie Barnes isn't the 3 pt shooter that OG is, but he's a better creator ... more versatile (likely) and fits the timeline for the Blazers. However, OG is still in line with the timeline, and is at a position of weakness.
Besides being a really good asset, trading Barnes away for Lillard includes a mess of filler -- and guys who can play -- that the Raptors need for depth. With OG, Boucher, and Dick, it's most of the way there.
I like Toronto as a franchise and the fanbase, so Lillard going to a team that would be a contender with him next year? Absolutely. It's doable, and I hope it happens.
 
Think it's a nobrainer for Toronto to deal OG/Trent/Picks for Dame. Risk worth taking for Masai considering Trent/OG upcoming free agency. And add to that the fact that we can potentially get Ayton for effectively just Nurk is too enticing for us, while also allowing us to take back less from the team getting Dame.

The only hurdle will be convincing Dame that this is good for him. And you can tell yourself as much as you want that this doesn't matter... but it does. Cronin has shown repeatedly that he wants to get guys where they will be happy. And Dame should be happy. A lineup of him/Siakam/Barnes/Poeltl can contend in the east. Just how deadset is he on Miami?

Sidebar... I would obviously love Barnes over OG, and even if it makes more bball sense for TOR to prioritize OG with Dame on the roster, I think they would much more readily part with him in a trade.
 
illmatic99 said:
Think it's a nobrainer for Toronto to deal OG/Trent/Picks for Dame. Risk worth taking for Masai considering Trent/OG upcoming free agency. And add to that the fact that we can potentially get Ayton for effectively just Nurk is too enticing for us, while also allowing us to take back less from the team getting Dame.

The only hurdle will be convincing Dame that this is good for him. And you can tell yourself as much as you want that this doesn't matter... but it does. Cronin has shown repeatedly that he wants to get guys where they will be happy. And Dame should be happy. A lineup of him/Siakam/Barnes/Poeltl can contend in the east. Just how deadset is he on Miami?

Sidebar... I would obviously love Barnes over OG, and even if it makes more bball sense for TOR to prioritize OG with Dame on the roster, I think they would much more readily part with him in a trade.
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Why does Dame need to be convinced it's good for him? He's the one that asked for a trade.
 
TBpup said:
This is one way to get it done, but it can't happen till October 4 due to salary constraints and some of the players involved. Because of aprons, the $$ going in and out have to be a specific way for the Suns and the Raptors if I understand correctly.

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OG, GT, and Boucher is a terrible return for Dame. That is worse than Miami’s offer. Of those 3 teams, we’re the one getting majorly shafted.
 
BankTeller said:
OG, GT, and Boucher is a terrible return for Dame. That is worse than Miami’s offer. Of those 3 teams, we’re the one getting majorly shafted.
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But that is not what Portland was getting in that scenario. Instead, they were getting Ayton, OG and Boucher. They become younger, bigger, and better defensively.

Of course, no player would be as good as Dame offensively, but it's not bad.
 
BankTeller said:
OG, GT, and Boucher is a terrible return for Dame. That is worse than Miami’s offer. Of those 3 teams, we’re the one getting majorly shafted.
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We are going to get shafted regardless. We aren’t going to get equal value for Dame because he is 33

If we keep Dame and trade young guys like Scoot and Shaedon, we still won’t win a fucking thing because Dame plays too much hero ball and not enough defense. Also, no one is available that can make a massive difference.

If we keep Dame and run it back with our current roster we aren’t winning either.

Time to move on, have a clear fucking plan on the types of players to build around Scoot and Sharpe, start getting those guys and hopefully compete in 2-3 years
 
The irony if we were to get OG and Ayton. Those are two of the types of players Damian wanted the blazer to acquire in order to make a run. The Blazers would actually have a fair shot to make the playoffs with that roster.
 
BankTeller said:
OG, GT, and Boucher is a terrible return for Dame. That is worse than Miami’s offer. Of those 3 teams, we’re the one getting majorly shafted.
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I disagree that it's worse than Miami's offer. As long as you are able to trade GT elsewhere & resign OG - you are golden
 
Mediocre Man said:
We are going to get shafted regardless. We aren’t going to get equal value for Dame because he is 33

If we keep Dame and trade young guys like Scoot and Shaedon, we still won’t win a fucking thing because Dame plays too much hero ball and not enough defense. Also, no one is available that can make a massive difference.

If we keep Dame and run it back with our current roster we aren’t winning either.

Time to move on, have a clear fucking plan on the types of players to build around Scoot and Sharpe, start getting those guys and hopefully compete in 2-3 years
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TOTALLY agree with this, Dame at 33 and thar HUGE contract simply and logically reduces his value
 
beast crnjo said:
The irony if we were to get OG and Ayton. Those are two of the types of players Damian wanted the blazer to acquire in order to make a run. The Blazers would actually have a fair shot to make the playoffs with that roster.
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Dame did not want to play with Ayton. Portland had a chance for Ayton previously. Dame preferred Nurk.
 
TBpup said:
But that is not what Portland was getting in that scenario. Instead, they were getting Ayton, OG and Boucher. They become younger, bigger, and better defensively.

Of course, no player would be as good as Dame offensively, but it's not bad.
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Ayton, fine.

How many picks is OG worth that we are getting none in return?

Where is Boucher in our future?

Why is Ayton, OG, and Boucher a better deal than Ayton, Lowry, Jovic, and 3 1sts?
 
Mediocre Man said:
We are going to get shafted regardless. We aren’t going to get equal value for Dame because he is 33

If we keep Dame and trade young guys like Scoot and Shaedon, we still won’t win a fucking thing because Dame plays too much hero ball and not enough defense. Also, no one is available that can make a massive difference.

If we keep Dame and run it back with our current roster we aren’t winning either.

Time to move on, have a clear fucking plan on the types of players to build around Scoot and Sharpe, start getting those guys and hopefully compete in 2-3 years
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I don’t think you got the point of my post. When I say shafted, I mean the fact that Toronto would have to give up less than Miami’s best package to get him.

Ayton is an interesting piece but doesn’t make us a playoff team this year. I’m fine with that.

Boucher, he is not a rebuilding player.

OG might push us into the playoffs, then he’ll get overpaid by us. But why???? We should be prioritizing picks! Not a chance to overpay OG. For what? It would be different if Scoot took a barren roster to the playoffs, that would actually show us something. By getting Ayton AND OG, we are trying to activity give Scoot a playoff roster from the jump.

You were spouting out reasons I didn’t disagree with, because I never said we needed to trade everyone to compete without Dame. I’m only speaking about the package proposed, which is significantly worse than what Miami’s best offer could be. But we’ll agree to disagree if you really think OG, Ayton, and Boucher are a good enough package going back. Toronto expecting to up a guy they don’t want to pay, a guy who they’ve tried to trade for multiple summers, a guy who has nothing to do with either team’s timeline, and no picks for Dame? Alright.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
I disagree that it's worse than Miami's offer. As long as you are able to trade GT elsewhere & resign OG - you are golden
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GT is the same player he’s been since year 3. What do you expect to get for him?
 
Samuel said:
Is there ‘any’ indication that 3 picks is on offer in a Miami scenario? Any?
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You’ve cut my entire argument into a singular point to ask a question unrelated to my original point. Again…regardless of how many picks were offered from Miami…why would Toronto be giving up so little?

If the main piece is OG, Dick and 1-2 unprotected 1sts need to come back our way, forget about GT. There are ways to get Ayton without routing GT to the Suns, that’s not even their most preferred player to get back with Nurk. OG can be rerouted for a young player and 2 1sts to bring our total up to 3-4 1sts, but apparently trying to win when your supposed future stars are in year 1 and 2 are more important.
 
BankTeller said:
Ayton, fine.

How many picks is OG worth that we are getting none in return?

Where is Boucher in our future?

Why is Ayton, OG, and Boucher a better deal than Ayton, Lowry, Jovic, and 3 1sts?
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Ayton and OG are both still young. They’re bonafide starters. Jovic looks like a bench player….. maybe. He might be a total bust. At best he’s Ryan Andersen. Lowry is an expiring. Three firsts? From Miami? Could be totally weak value. OG is a dude that can start right now and still fits our window. I would also expect that Toronto tosses in some picks because OG/Boucher/GTJ isn’t enough.
 
BankTeller said:
You’ve cut my entire argument into a singular point to ask a question unrelated to my original point. Again…regardless of how many picks were offered from Miami…why would Toronto be giving up so little?

If the main piece is OG, Dick and 1-2 unprotected 1sts need to come back our way, forget about GT. There are ways to get Ayton without routing GT to the Suns, that’s not even their most preferred player to get back with Nurk. OG can be rerouted for a young player and 2 1sts to bring our total up to 4, but apparently trying to win when your supposed future stars are in year 1 and 2 are more important.
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I’m doing that because I’ve seen this device all over the place—using an unlikely near-max Miami offer as a stalking horse against an alternate option.

Let’s say you don’t even like OG. You could probably flip him and get more back in picks at the deadline from a Memphis type team than what Miami is actually offering.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Ayton and OG are both still young. They’re bonafide starters. Jovic looks like a bench player….. maybe. He might be a total bust. At best he’s Ryan Andersen. Lowry is an expiring. Three firsts? From Miami? Could be totally weak value. OG is a dude that can start right now and still fits our window. I would also expect that Toronto tosses in some picks because OG/Boucher/GTJ isn’t enough.
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You would’ve thought that this poverty-stricken franchise saw the mistake of never being bad enough to get Dame top shelf talent and would learn from that. Then we overpay for them later.

You know what would’ve been better than trading for OG in 2023 and paying him $40m/yr in 2024? Drafting OG when you had two f’ing 1sts you could’ve drafted him with that year. You can find Trey Murphys and Herb Joneses in the draft.
 
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