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BankTeller said:
Ayton, fine.

How many picks is OG worth that we are getting none in return?

Where is Boucher in our future?

Why is Ayton, OG, and Boucher a better deal than Ayton, Lowry, Jovic, and 3 1sts?
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Toronto would need to include either GTJr or Dick (+ Young) at minimum to match salaries.

GTJr or Dick is worth at least 1 pick.

OG = Lowry + Jovic + 2 picks

Do its really a matter of preference. I would much rather have OG + Dick than anything Miami has to offer
 
Samuel said:
I’m doing that because I’ve seen this device all over the place—using an unlikely near-max Miami offer as a stalking horse against an alternate option.

Let’s say you don’t even like OG. You could probably flip him and get more back in picks at the deadline from a Memphis type team than what Miami is actually offering.
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That, I’ve already said. I wouldn’t mind that depending on what you get for OG.

But to trade for OG and KEEP kim shows a lack of foresight within the front office. We are hanging our future on a first and second year player, if OG is worth 75% of what Ujiri thinks he’s worth, it’s probably going to be a decent return.
 
I keep coming back to this cuz it appears important.

We heard from a fairly credible source that the deal is imminent. Multiple reports of the team being Toronto and not Miami.

Then we see the Amick report claiming Dame is gonna be upset if it's Toronto.

Is it possible that Masai got spooked after agreeing to the deal if Dame is gonna raise a stink?

This is exactly why I think the true hurdle is Dame being convinced that Toronto is the right destination for him.
 
BankTeller said:
You would’ve thought that this poverty-stricken franchise saw the mistake of never being bad enough to get Dame top shelf talent and would learn from that. Then we overpay for them later.

You know what would’ve been better than trading for OG in 2023 and paying him $40m/yr in 2024? Drafting OG when you had two f’ing 1sts you could’ve drafted him with that year. You can find Trey Murphys and Herb Joneses in the draft.
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We have our potential stars in Scoot and Shaedon. The draft this year looks mediocre at best.
 
BankTeller said:
Ayton, fine.

How many picks is OG worth that we are getting none in return?

Where is Boucher in our future?

Why is Ayton, OG, and Boucher a better deal than Ayton, Lowry, Jovic, and 3 1sts?
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Because Miami isn't offering that, and also if you reward Dame you then cut your own throat vis-a-vis long term prospects. Say goodbye to Scoot and Sharpe in 4 years time and any other player that can win you a chip. They will just use the Lillard Method (TM) and the entire league is ruined. Why on god's green Earth would you trade Dame to Miami unless you were getting the Ultra-Giga-Mega package from them 3 swaps, 4 picks (with unlock, plus Herro to a 3rd team) plus Jovic and Jaquez which even then isn't that great AND you destroy the League by doing so.
 
Not sure if this trade has been suggested. Obviously its the amazing version. I would definitely settle for OG, Grady Dick and picks instead. Anywhere but Miami should be the refrain, because you destroy our future for a very minor upgrade in terms of package, which is debatable anyways.

Our starting lineup actually looks like a Playoff team if Scoot is as good as advertised and Sharpe makes a leap (pun intended):

PG: Scoot
SG: Sharpe
SF: Barnes
PF: Grant
C: Ayton

Then you have a decent rotation of Simons and GTJ off the bench at the guard spots, and our project forwards plus Boucher's vet leadership. Not bad at all.
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Idog1976 said:
Not sure if this trade has been suggested. Obviously its the amazing version. I would definitely settle for OG, Grady Dick and picks instead. Anywhere but Miami should be the refrain, because you destroy our future for a very minor upgrade in terms of package, which is debatable anyways.

Our starting lineup actually looks like a Playoff team if Scoot is as good as advertised and Sharpe makes a leap (pun intended):

PG: Scoot
SG: Sharpe
SF: Barnes
PF: Grant
C: Ayton

Then you have a decent rotation of Simons and GTJ off the bench at the guard spots, and our project forwards plus Boucher's vet leadership. Not bad at all.
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Most people are saying that Barnes is on Masai's list of untouchables.
 
I think this trade is better than the Miami trade, straight up, and it prevents the Lillard Method (TM) Armageddon scenario I keep mentioning. I actually think if Toronto wants to win now, it would make more sense to trade Barnes plus filler for Lillard and then they get to keep their picks, but hey OG isn't awful and is better than Jaquez Jovic and Herro combined not to mention, and this is key, Fuck Miami and may the Lillard Method (TM) be destroyed in-utero that it never plague this League.

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blazerkor said:
Most people are saying that Barnes is on Masai's list of untouchables.
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Well, that's why I included the OG version. I think that if Toronto wants to win now, it makes more sense to trade Barnes and keep the better shooting, still excellent at defense OG over Barnes. If I was Toronto and wanted to win now, I think OG has just a bit more value than Barnes if you're trying to win in the next 2-3 seasons.

PG: Lillard
SG: Schroeder for defense
SF: OG
PF: Siakam
C: Poetl

I think that's a top-3 team in the East. I only have Boston and the Bucks above them, plus they get a two for one of hurting Miami. That team is awesome at defense, has good shooting/closing with Lillard and I believe has an excellent chance to come out of the East, really only the Bucks seem like they are significantly better. If you swap out OG for Barnes, I actually think they are a bit worse unless/until Barnes develops a 3-ball.
 
illmatic99 said:
I keep coming back to this cuz it appears important.

We heard from a fairly credible source that the deal is imminent. Multiple reports of the team being Toronto and not Miami.

Then we see the Amick report claiming Dame is gonna be upset if it's Toronto.

Is it possible that Masai got spooked after agreeing to the deal if Dame is gonna raise a stink?

This is exactly why I think the true hurdle is Dame being convinced that Toronto is the right destination for him.
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Dame promised Silver he wouldn’t.
 
Idog1976 said:
Is Jarace Walker that good? I'm in favor of any trade where Lillard doesn't go to Miami so that part I like, but is Jarace that good?
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He was projected by many as the top PF in this draft, the best forward defender in the lottery. He would be a phenomenal fit with Scoot and Sharpe.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
He was projected by many as the top PF in this draft, the best forward defender in the lottery. He would be a phenomenal fit with Scoot and Sharpe.
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Awesome thank you I didn't know that. Well I will add that to the hopes and dreams bucket.
 
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The crazy thing is, Toronto literally needs to offer Dick GTJ filler and SAS-unencumbered picks and that's debatably preferable to the lowball Miami package.

We don't even need to go down the road with Barnes or OG, IMO. And I say that as someone who isn't even a huge fan of Gradey Dick, but Jaquez and Jovic are different tiers of young players, IMO.
 
Idog1976 said:
Awesome thank you I didn't know that. Well I will add that to the hopes and dreams bucket.
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I don’t think it’s a crazy pipe dream. If it’s true that Grizzlies were willing to give up a package for OG only slightly lower than their package of 4 1sts for Bridges, Walker could be getable. Indy seems to always pick the safe or NBA ready guy in the draft, it feels like they’ve been stuck in this cycle of trying to make noise but never being bad enough to get to the top of the lottery.

McConnell (a backup) and Walker (a rookie), with zero picks attached actually sounds like an amazing deal if I’m Indy. Imo, we would have to value Walker like crazy to be okay with getting no picks back. If we get an unprotected TOR 1st instead of Achiuwa, I’d be pretty happy with the trade.
 
OKC is still my favorite destination, but Toronto is a close second at this point.

Here is one trade that I think makes sense for all three teams but can't be made until 10/10.

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KingSpeed said:
Dame promised Silver he wouldn’t.
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i know. but an article came out yesterday from Sam Amick saying he would just simply ask for another trade to MIA later while creating Harden-esque drama.

Don't think the timing of the article is a coincidence.
 
illmatic99 said:
i know. but an article came out yesterday from Sam Amick saying he would just simply ask for another trade to MIA later while creating Harden-esque drama.

Don't think the timing of the article is a coincidence.
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Sure but Toronto has experience with a star player who doesn't want to go there.

Also, not sure why they'd be surprised with Dame being unhappy.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Sure but Toronto has experience with a star player who doesn't want to go there.

Also, not sure why they'd be surprised with Dame being unhappy.
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Amick was saying Kawhi had an out in a year, so he deemed Toronto's financial risk lighter then, as compared to dealing with an unhappy player on a 4 yr, 215 mil contract.
 
Natebishop3 said:
OKC is still my favorite destination, but Toronto is a close second at this point.

Here is one trade that I think makes sense for all three teams but can't be made until 10/10.

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I think this demonstrates one more reason why it probably would be better to wait, unless a deal Cronin really wants appears.
Settling just to get a deal done before training camp doesn't make any sense to me.


This article says newly signed free agent is ineligible to be traded until December 15 or until he’s been under contract for three months, whichever comes later.

FAs Signed After Friday Won’t Become Trade-Eligible On December 15
September 15th 2023 at 2:59pm CST by Luke Adams
Unless he’s part of a sign-and-trade deal, an NBA free agent who signs a new contract can’t be traded immediately. The Collective Bargaining Agreement states that a newly signed free agent is ineligible to be traded until December 15 or until he’s been under contract for three months, whichever comes later.

Based on that rule, the majority of the free agents who signed new contracts in July, August, and the first half of September will become trade-eligible on December 15 (a smaller group of free agents who met certain specific criteria won’t become trade-eligible until January 15).

By our count, (see list below) at least 85 players will become eligible to be moved on December 15. That doesn’t take into account any players signed to non-guaranteed training camp deals who might earn regular season roster spots, since our list doesn’t include players on Exhibit 9 or Exhibit 10 contracts.

However, that list won’t continue to expand to include any additional names after Friday, since we’re now exactly three months away from Dec. 15. As a result, a free agent who signs a new contract after today will remain trade-eligible (I think he means Trade Ineligible) for a full three months, rather than becoming trade-eligible on Dec. 15.

For instance, a player who signs on September 22 would become eligible to be dealt on December 22; one who signs on October 4 would become trade-eligible on January 4, and so on.

November 8 is an important date in this discussion, since this season’s trade deadline will land on February 8. A player who signs a free agent contract on November 9 or later will be ineligible to be dealt during the 2023/24 season.

Once the season begins next month and we have a better sense of which players signed after Sept. 15 have earned spots on regular season rosters, we’ll publish a new list of those players’ trade eligibility dates to complement our December 15 and January 15 round-ups.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/09...ont-become-trade-eligible-on-december-15.html

Players whose contracts haven’t been officially finalized aren’t yet listed. Players who have the ability to veto trades in 2023/24 are marked with a caret (^). Players on non-guaranteed or partially guaranteed contracts are marked with an asterisk (*). However, those on Exhibit 9 or Exhibit 10 deals won’t be listed here unless they make the regular season roster.

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Players whose contracts haven’t been officially finalized aren’t yet listed. Players who have the ability to veto trades in 2023/24 are marked with a caret (^). Players on non-guaranteed or partially guaranteed contracts are marked with an asterisk (*). However, those on Exhibit 9 or Exhibit 10 deals won’t be listed here unless they make the regular season roster.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/08/players-who-cant-be-traded-until-december-15-7.html
 
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illmatic99 said:
Amick was saying Kawhi had an out in a year, so he deemed Toronto's financial risk lighter then, as compared to dealing with an unhappy player on a 4 yr, 215 mil contract.
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I can’t remember who is the sham. Amico or Amick.
 
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