Toronto Raptors Dame trade ideas and rumors

[Samuel]

Now that's an interesting question. Taking the bigger names out of it, how would everyone rank the following potential six "prospects" in terms of value to Portland (either for the roster or as future trade assets): Jovic, Jaquez, Martin, Dick, Achiuwa, Koloko?

You also have to factor Kris Murray into that calculus.

 

[blazerfan11]

 

[Phatguysrule]

So...is that what people really want? Ayton & OG?

when OG gets his new deal, the Blazers would be spending 120-130M year for Grant, Ayton, OG, and Ant. And there isn't an all-star level player among the 4. Nobody close

people really want to hop off of the supposed Dame treadmill and immediately hop on that one? Looks like just another brand of purgatory to me. Maybe purgatory is the best we can hope for, but spending 90% of the salary cap for that foursome looks kind of dumb to me

We'd be looking to replace Ant and Grant, IMO (eventually, in the right deals)

And hopefully our All Stars will be Sharpe and Scoot. Ayton could get the nod if he decided to do it...

Certainly better than anything Miami has been offering.

 

[wizenheimer]

We can pay those guys that much money because the future of the team are still on rookie deals.

I think Ant is gone at the deadline. I think Grant could be gone at the deadline. You’re talking about a short term problem.

That’s not a treadmill. That’s just putting talented guys around Scoot and Sharpe who are veterans but aren’t old. Grant is the only oldish one. There is still a bright future with that team as they gel and Scoot/Sharpe improve.

yes, it is a treadmill, IMO, but that's not what I'm looking at. I don't expect Dame to be traded for an all-star. I do expect him to be traded for a couple of opportunities at landing a future all-star, however remote they may be. OG and Ayton are not that opportunity; not close. Now, I'm assuming that each one would cost the Blazers at least one of the picks that would be moving in a Dame trade. I'd much rather have the picks than those two players, personally

I don't have anywhere close to the confidence in Scoot/Sharpe that you do. I'm hopeful, but right now I'm not assuming any greatness

 

[HansenYang]

Now that's an interesting question. Taking the bigger names out of it, how would everyone rank the following potential six "prospects" in terms of value to Portland (either for the roster or as future trade assets): Jovic, Jaquez, Martin, Dick, Achiuwa, Koloko?

Dick

Jaquez
Achiuwa
Martin

Koloko
Jovic
Kris Murray

 

[Graduate32]

You also have to factor Kris Murray into that calculus.

I'll admit to being curious given Schmitz's apparent fondness for Jaquez as to whether the Blazers would have gone with Murray or Jaquez had both been available at #23.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yeah, if we are taking on OG with the intent to re-sign him (and not flip him), I think you immediately start testing the trade waters with Grant.

Yeah I originally wanted to flip Grant to Cleveland for Allen but if we pick up Ayton I don’t think that would happen. I’d be trying to send Grant to a team that can send us a young forward.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Yeah, if we are taking on OG with the intent to re-sign him (and not flip him), I think you immediately start testing the trade waters with Grant.

Definitely need a real power forward (rebounds) instead of Grant.

 

[Graduate32]

Yeah I originally wanted to flip Grant to Cleveland for Allen but if we pick up Ayton I don’t think that would happen. I’d be trying to send Grant to a team that can send us a young forward.

That would be ideal, but under the OG scenario, I would even be open to a Hart-like trade scenario in which we are taking on expirings and/or low-cost reclamations for a mid-first pick.

 

[HansenYang]

I do expect him to be traded for a couple of opportunities at landing a future all-star, however remote they may be. OG and Ayton are not that opportunity; not close.

I disagree here.

Neither OG or Ayton are likely to ever see an all-star appearance. However, both have shown that they are at least starter level material & still have the potential to take another step - where they could be in the discussion for an all-star bid.

The likelihood that OG/Ayton reach all-star is MUCH higher than pick #25 in the 2025 draft (or whatever picks we receive in the draft)

 

[HansenYang]

Yeah I originally wanted to flip Grant to Cleveland for Allen but if we pick up Ayton I don’t think that would happen. I’d be trying to send Grant to a team that can send us a young forward.

Indiana Pacers

 

[RR7]

How is your 2(hopefully) best players being 20 years old already being on a treadmill? Gimme a fucking break

 

[Samuel]

I'll admit to being curious given Schmitz's apparent fondness for Jaquez as to whether the Blazers would have gone with Murray or Jaquez had both been available at #23.

I'm curious whether Schmitz actually wants Murray 'and' Jaquez on the roster together—or if it's more of an 'either/or' scenario (ie, the 'seasoned late first guy with less upside').

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I disagree here.

Neither OG or Ayton are likely to ever see an all-star appearance. However, both have shown that they are at least starter level material & still have the potential to take another step - where they could be in the discussion for an all-star bid.

The likelihood that OG/Ayton reach all-star is MUCH higher than pick #25 in the 2025 draft (or whatever picks we receive in the draft)

I think Ayton could have a chance at an all star game as the focal point of the Blazers' offense. Decent chance his usage goes way up if he's dealt here

 

[Tince]

I think Ayton could have a chance at an all star game as the focal point of the Blazers' offense. Decent chance his usage goes way up if he's dealt here

From what I've seen, a team wouldn't be very good if Ayton is the focal point of the offense.

 

[Hoopguru]

I disagree here.

Neither OG or Ayton are likely to ever see an all-star appearance. However, both have shown that they are at least starter level material & still have the potential to take another step - where they could be in the discussion for an all-star bid.

The likelihood that OG/Ayton reach all-star is MUCH higher than pick #25 in the 2025 draft (or whatever picks we receive in the draft)

Nuggets won a Wold Championship with 1 all star.
Yes, Murray is close but hasn't been yet.

 

[Graduate32]

I'm curious whether Schmitz actually wants Murray 'and' Jaquez on the roster together—or if it's more of an 'either/or' scenario (ie, the 'seasoned late first guy with less upside').

Exactly. They aren't the same players by any stretch, but role wise they feel fairly superfluous to me. I suppose you could take both to see if one pops, but it feels like we already have other guys with whom we are also trying to "figure out what we got" at the forward positions in Nas and Jabari. (Let alone if we were to add Jovic as well.)

 

[Natebishop3]

yes, it is a treadmill, IMO, but that's not what I'm looking at. I don't expect Dame to be traded for an all-star. I do expect him to be traded for a couple of opportunities at landing a future all-star, however remote they may be. OG and Ayton are not that opportunity; not close. Now, I'm assuming that each one would cost the Blazers at least one of the picks that would be moving in a Dame trade. I'd much rather have the picks than those two players, personally

I don't have anywhere close to the confidence in Scoot/Sharpe that you do. I'm hopeful, but right now I'm not assuming any greatness

I guess we disagree on how good Scoot and Shae will be.

 

[Natebishop3]

From what I've seen, a team wouldn't be very good if Ayton is the focal point of the offense.

Doesn’t that play right into the hands of the people who want to tank this year?

 

[Tince]

Doesn’t that play right into the hands of the people who want to tank this year?

I suppose. There are far more combinations to lose than to win, so I don't try to think of how to build a roster to lose.

 

[Tince]

I don't have anywhere close to the confidence in Scoot/Sharpe that you do. I'm hopeful, but right now I'm not assuming any greatness

Based on how I define "greatness" I would agree with you. Not that neither of them can't be great, but there hasn't been enough to shown to expect greatness. To me, Scoot is more likely to be "great" than Sharpe.

 

[Natebishop3]

Based on how I define "greatness" I would agree with you. Not that neither of them can't be great, but there hasn't been enough to shown to expect greatness. To me, Scoot is more likely to be "great" than Sharpe.

To me, the treadmill was going into every season knowing that the most likely outcome was a first round exit. I don’t see how adding Scoot, OG and Ayton would guarantee that. I honestly have no idea how good that team would be this year, next year, or three years from now. So I’m not sure how anyone could toss the treadmill label on them.

Scoot and Shae are part of that. We really don’t know how good they will be, how quickly they will develop, etc.

 

[Phatguysrule]

From what I've seen, a team wouldn't be very good if Ayton is the focal point of the offense.

I don't think he'd need to be the focal point. But he could be A focal point.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

From what I've seen, a team wouldn't be very good if Ayton is the focal point of the offense.

Great-- another lottery pick!

 

[blazerfan11]

Indiana Pacers

Grant to Cleveland is still a good idea. For something.

 

[blazerfan11]

From what I've seen, a team wouldn't be very good if Ayton is the focal point of the offense.

What I see is that Scoot and Ayton should be good/very good at putting pressure on the hoop.
It's already very difficult to stop Scoot from getting where he wants to go, but if he had a teammate center with the size, hands, and finishing ability that Ayton has, the other team would probably have to have 3-4 defenders sagging in, then you pop it out to an open 3-point shooter or someone else cutting to the hoop.

Ayton becomes a very important part of the offense whether he scores or not.
It's a pick-your-poison offense which I think is what every good offense strives for.

 

[illmatic99]

What did I tell you guys? I keep saying this. Dame needs to be persuaded that Toronto is a good destination for him. Dude doesn't have a no-trade clause but is wielding just as much power. Boss move.

WTF is Goodwin doing? He needs to realize that a whole country is going to buy his kicks and Drake will be doing features with him in future albums. Sell your client on that, you POS.

https://marcstein.substack.com/p/time-for-a-dame-trade/comments?publication_id=392205&utm_medium=email,email&comments=true

The Toronto Raptors have convinced numerous teams around the league that their interest in trading for Lillard is genuine.

The uncertainty at this point stems more from gauging Toronto's true willingness to push all the way forward with its Lillard pursuit when it's believed that the All-Star guard, behind the scenes, remains so resistant to the idea of becoming a Raptor.

 

[Samuel]

The Toronto Raptors have convinced numerous teams around the league that their interest in trading for Lillard is genuine.

The uncertainty at this point stems more from gauging Toronto's true willingness to push all the way forward with its Lillard pursuit when it's believed that the All-Star guard, behind the scenes, remains so resistant to the idea of becoming a Raptor.

this is put rather oddly. their interest is genuine but they may not make an offer?

I get that there's a wide spectrum between 'monitoring' and 'made an offer', but at a certain point, masai, put your offer in. no more foreplay.

 

[illmatic99]

this is put rather oddly. their interest is genuine but they may not make an offer?

I get that there's a wide spectrum between 'monitoring' and 'made an offer', but at a certain point, masai, put your offer in. no more foreplay.

there is a very tangible risk involved in giving up valuable players AND the opportunity cost of bringing on a disgruntled malcontent who is owed 216 mil for 4 more years. It was no coincidence that the past few weeks, we have heard how Dame will ask out again if Toronto trades for him. Given the bullshit put out by Shams/Amick/Haynes as Goodwin's mouthpieces, this hesitancy by Masai is warranted.

For the past few days, I've been harping on this. The biggest hurdle remains his disinterest in any destinations outside of Miami. Needs to change. And Goodwin needs to talk some sense into his client, but both seem pretty clueless at the moment. There are so many positives about Toronto that they are ignoring.

 

[illmatic99]

This is a good summary.