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Hoopguru said:
Joe and Chauncey have one year left after this season, so I still think it will be the same core group ,with maybe one vet traded, if at all. They know they must start the upward playoff trend next year, they are not going to start another 3-5 year plan. Those two jobs are on the line. They are in the 3-4th year of their original plan. Yeah, there will be another 19 year old drafted but he won't be the difference make either. If they get decent offer for Simons I see them taking it. But in my opinion Grant and Ayton stay.
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God that is bleak and I can’t say I disagree with you. I don’t see any vets dealt except maybe time lord and duop who is essentially a young player
 
Hoopguru said:
Joe and Chauncey have one year left after this season, so I still think it will be the same core group ,with maybe one vet traded, if at all. They know they must start the upward playoff trend next year, they are not going to start another 3-5 year plan. Those two jobs are on the line. They are in the 3-4th year of their original plan. Yeah, there will be another 19 year old drafted but he won't be the difference make either. If they get decent offer for Simons I see them taking it. But in my opinion Grant and Ayton stay.
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I doubt that Chauncey has a year left, but I'm sure Joe's job is safer than Chaunceys.
 
I believe Chauncey and Joe think they are making progress with offense. Not there yet but closer with Dani and Shae and Scoot coming along. Now, they want to solidify the d more going into next year and a playoff run.
 
julius said:
I doubt that Chauncey has a year left, but I'm sure Joe's job is safer than Chaunceys.
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That could be Im just think they attached to the hip for a 5 year plan. That started when Joe took over.
 
I like our direction.

1 couple of potential stars whether that’s Sharpe, Scoot, Toumani, Dani
2. Length and size
3. Couple elite defenders
4 couple good bigs


With normal improvement I’m expecting us to compete for playoff spot next year and if we get lucky in draft maybe slightly higher.

really need Sharpe and Scoot to make a jump next year. Honestly Toumani has a higher ceiling than I initially thought. His shot looks good and now he’s driving the ball way more, add in his high bball IQ, and his competitiveness and we might have a special player
 
BonesJones said:
That's way too greedy. If that's the asking price then neither one of them will ever get traded. I'd be more than thrilled with a protected 1st and Rui.
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They can keep the protected 1st if we don't have to take Rui.
 
I think it'll come down to whether or not Joe is ready to sell low on Ant at the deadline. I don't see them selling low on any other vet and actually I can see Duop, Thybulle and/or Walker moved for draft capital and/or a couple bench players. If a vet did get traded besides Ant of our starters Grant would probably generate some interest but you'd be selling low on him as well. I'd check with Boston and see if you could trade Ant for Pritchard (former Duck pt guard) and draft capital. Joe seems to have a relationship with Boston's front office
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yes as I said all last summer, once Scoot improved enough to gain the confidence of his teammates, then ideally he should start and Ant should come off the bench. And I think that time is now. Now I know the argument is Ant makes too much money as a 6th man, but I say bullshit to that. Both Beal and Aaron Gordon make more than Ant and their fans are fine with it. They have played well off the bench recently. If they can't get value for Ant I would make that move after the deadline.
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Gordon has started in 260 games for Denver and came off the bench in 6, that after he came back from an injury. He's also making significantly less salary than Ant, this year and next year. He's also been an integral member of a championship team while Ant has been a member of a deep lottery team. Gordon is a bad comp, IMO

Beal is a bad example too as he's a giant mistake by Phoenix that are mortgaging their future to be rid of

I'd think you'd have a tough time finding bench players making as much as Simons who aren't in their mid-30's after a demotion. And for a lottery team to pay a backup 27M/year is nuts. The problem with Simons is he's a role player best suited as a bench player but he's paid starter money. And his flaws and limitations make him an awkward fit on probably 25 rosters in the league....including the Blazers

I don't believe that the Blazers will move Simons to the bench. So it's come down to the choice most of knew was coming: either Scoot or Sharpe will be pushed to the bench to make way for Simons starting
 
jlprk said:
Wiz or moderators, why don't you put the trade deadline date into the thread title. It will increase interest and hits.
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wizenheimer said:
good suggestion. I can't edit thread title but I will add the date to the OP
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PtldPlatypus said:
Now that you've posted your approval, I'll make the change. Feel free to let me know if you'd like it changed differently.
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Wow, a moderator used my suggestion about a thread! First time in many tries over years. Good. Why do you need approval? Were you neglected? Be a leader like me!
 
Here's another one from earlier today, and even with OP approval, if that's what you require.

jlprk said:
E-Blazer should clarify the difference from "Trump Crazy Train" by rewording the thread title to "DonTrocities: list illegal acts here"
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e_blazer said:
Fine by me, if a mod wants to it. Might be good to add “potential” so as to avoid legal quibbles.
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Natebishop3 said:
Here's what I'd like to see

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I just want a pick for Simons. The Hawks aren't doing too bad this year so the pick will be somewhere in the late teens. I'd still be happy to have that. I'm just looking for salary filler. Barnes seems to me to be the best fit.

Hoping to convince the Kangz to take Grant. Two picks that are protected and filler. I'd probably take one pick honestly.

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And last but not least

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Pick from either Phoenix or OKC. Not going to be a great pick, but still a pick.
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Blazers got 3 picks for Dame but you think these overpaid trash vets we have will net 4?

I'd love to see it - I question that any of them can get ONE first round pick. Will be happy to proven wrong.

I'd be content with flipping them for a worthless vet on a similar contract who at least isn't entitled to a role.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Why? If we could get him that would indicate he was not worth getting. Which I could easily see, as he's a me-first player.
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He’s 20 years old and has a lot of upside. Probably the most realistic prospect we could get for Williams.
 
wizenheimer said:
Gordon has started in 260 games for Denver and came off the bench in 6, that after he came back from an injury. He's also making significantly less salary than Ant, this year and next year. He's also been an integral member of a championship team while Ant has been a member of a deep lottery team. Gordon is a bad comp, IMO
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Correction: Gordon makes 23 million, Simons makes 26.

Not that that takes away from anything you said
 
I think we all need to be reminded that it's not as easy to make trades anymore because of all the new restrictions & financial impacts & risks.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5992089/2024/12/13/nba-trade-season-knicks-lakers-nets/

On the other side are teams that won’t want to take on money because they are too close to the tax and under no circumstances could justify going into it. The Brooklyn Nets, Atlanta Hawks, Indiana Pacers and Memphis Grizzlies are all within $2 million of the tax. That’s less than a veteran’s minimum contract. The Sacramento Kings are $2.1 million short of the tax line. The Portland Trail Blazers are $3.7 million away, and the Chicago Bulls are $4.5 million away. Technically, those teams are allowed to add money. But realistically, it’s not happening, which will affect the rest of the league.

Squads like the Blazers and Hawks, the ones within shouting distance of the luxury tax, will not add consequential salary. Meanwhile, most of the teams who could absorb salary dumps already employ the maximum 15 players on their roster, meaning they would have to cut someone to do the trade.
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julius said:
Correction: Gordon makes 23 million, Simons makes 26.

Not that that takes away from anything you said
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correct. Ant makes 13% more than Gordon this year and will make 22% more next season; about 18% more over the this season and next. I consider that kind of significant. The only difference is Gordon signed a 3-year/103M extension last October from 2026-2029. We don't know yet what Ant's next contract will look like, If it's 34M/year like Gordon, or more, which I wouldn't dismiss with Cronin in charge....yeeeeesh
 
wizenheimer said:
correct. Ant makes 13% more than Gordon this year and will make 22% more next season; about 18% more over the this season and next. I consider that kind of significant. The only difference is Gordon signed a 3-year/103M extension last October from 2026-2029. We don't know yet what Ant's next contract will look like, If it's 34M/year like Gordon, or more, which I wouldn't dismiss with Cronin in charge....yeeeeesh
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Why does Cronin like back loading contracts so much. Seems silly.
 
MickZagger said:
Why does Cronin like back loading contracts so much. Seems silly.
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that's kind of a standard for most players and most teams....at least it was pretty standard. Maybe different now

Presti at OKC does things little different

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wizenheimer said:
that's kind of a standard for most players and most teams....at least it was pretty standard. Maybe different now

Presti at OKC does things little different

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Probably why he’s the best GM in the league.

Backloading contracts only exacerbates the problem if a player isn’t living up to his contract. It’s especially stupid if you backload a contract for a player who is reaching their mid-30’s by the end of the contract. I suppose if you can unload that contract on a team it looks better when it comes off their books. But that seems to be less common of a trade these days. Picks seem to be at a premium more than ever.
 
MickZagger said:
Why does Cronin like back loading contracts so much. Seems silly.
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The idea is likely the ever growing salary cap and luxury tax threshold.

It's also why I don't think Jerami's contract is punitive. He should still be playing near the hight of his game when he's 33 in the last year of this contract and it will likely be the going rate for the fourth best guy on a team trying to win a championship.
 
Listening to the Bill Simmons podcast while I work…Kevin O’Connor suggested a Rob Williams to Suns for Nurk + FRP (might need another PDX salary). I don’t think I can stomach Nurk again. I would do Rob for Royce O’Neale and that FRP though. Then move Royce ($10mil) this summer.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Blazers got 3 picks for Dame but you think these overpaid trash vets we have will net 4?

I'd love to see it - I question that any of them can get ONE first round pick. Will be happy to proven wrong.

I'd be content with flipping them for a worthless vet on a similar contract who at least isn't entitled to a role.
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Well, I don't think they're trash....

All three of them could be contributors on playoff teams. Grant hasn't been great so far this year, but I think he could be a legit third option on a playoff team. Simons could be great in the right situation. Williams is mostly a health risk, but when he's healthy he's a fantastic center.

Not all FRP are created equal. Dame netted picks that were unprotected.
 
Beal's agent says that Beal has not waived his no-trade clause at this point.
Reports that he has are untrue.

 
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