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How many trades will the Blazer make on or before Draft night(s)?

  • 0

    Votes: 13 29.5%

  • 1

    Votes: 15 34.1%

  • 2

    Votes: 11 25.0%

  • 3

    Votes: 5 11.4%
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    44
Pinwheel1 said:
Rui makes more sense for both teams. To me, they have a similar skill set. Rui shot 42% from 3 this year.

For defense and hustle, they keep Vanderbilt and his long but team-friendly contract, and we get more minutes to play Camara.
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Rui and Deni played together in Washington.
 
Hoopguru said:
Rui and Deni played together in Washington.
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True, but they were also generally behind Kuzma and Washington. It would be a different relationship here if Grant is traded for Rui, in that both Rui and Deni would be starting.
 
beast crnjo said:
It's nice to have someone that can shoot without being a chucker like Grant is.
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why is Grant a chucker and Ant isn't?

FGA/game: Ant 18.2....Grant 15.7
FGA/100-possessions: Ant 26.1....Grant 22.9
Usage Rate: Ant 28%....Grant 25.7%
TS%: Ant .568....Grant .573

per game, Ant scored 1.6 more points on 2.5 more shots. Per 100-possessions, Ant scored 1.9 more points on 3.2 more shots. Ant scored 1.24 points/shot; Grant scored 1.33 points/shot. In Dame's last season in Portland he averaged 1.55 points/shot
 
wizenheimer said:
why is Grant a chucker and Ant isn't?

FGA/game: Ant 18.2....Grant 15.7
FGA/100-possessions: Ant 26.1....Grant 22.9
Usage Rate: Ant 28%....Grant 25.7%
TS%: Ant .568....Grant .573

per game, Ant scored 1.6 more points on 2.5 more shots. Per 100-possessions, Ant scored 1.9 more points on 3.2 more shots. Ant scored 1.24 points/shot; Grant scored 1.33 points/shot. In Dame's last season in Portland he averaged 1.55 points/shot
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I think Grant is more prone to put hoist up bad shots with time on the shot clock. Ant does shoot a lot, but it seems more within the offense. His TS% will improve once he learns to drive more and get to the foul line.

Grant is good offensively, very good. But distracts from team play. You might make the same argument about Ant, but having 1 is more tolerable than 2. And Ant is a pretty good passer, better than he gets credit for.
 
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beast crnjo said:
I think Grant is more prone to put hoist up bad shots with time on the shot clock. Ant does shoot a lot, but it seems more within the offense. His TS% will improve once he learns to drive more and get to the foul line.
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sorry....I think your bias may be showing. Ant takes 69% of his shots in the first 15 seconds of the shot clock; Grant takes 68%. If Grant was taking worse shots early, he wouldn't have a better TS%

http://www.82games.com/2324/2324POR.HTM

as far as your theory of Ant improving his TS% by getting to the FT line: his FT rate climbed from .171 to .213 this season. But his TS% dropped from .581 to .568
 
wizenheimer said:
sorry....I think your bias may be showing. Ant takes 69% of his shots in the first 15 seconds of the shot clock; Grant takes 68%. If Grant was taking worse shots early, he wouldn't have a better TS%

http://www.82games.com/2324/2324POR.HTM

as far as your theory of Ant improving his TS% by getting to the FT line: his FT rate climbed from .171 to .213 this season. But his TS% dropped from .581 to .568
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Ant's TS% fell because his 2pt% fell, his mid range shot specifically. He's a 90% FT shooter. More FTs, the better his TS% will be. I know this is painfully obvious to you, being a numbers guy, so not sure what you're driving at.

I'd expect Ant to take more shots in the first 15 seconds because he's a guard. It's not bad to take a shot early as long as it's a good shot. It's hoisting up a contested jumper with a lot of time on the clock that's annoying.

And if Grant were 24 years old, it would be a different story, but he's on the wrong side of 30 and doesn't fit with the teams timeline.
 
The chucker bullshit is so overused, no matter who we are talking about. I guarantee that if Grant goes to LA he will not be shooting too much.
Coaching and who you are playing with are huge factors.
 
wizenheimer said:
sorry....I think your bias may be showing. Ant takes 69% of his shots in the first 15 seconds of the shot clock; Grant takes 68%. If Grant was taking worse shots early, he wouldn't have a better TS%

http://www.82games.com/2324/2324POR.HTM

as far as your theory of Ant improving his TS% by getting to the FT line: his FT rate climbed from .171 to .213 this season. But his TS% dropped from .581 to .568
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Still, TS% is weighted by FTr. eFG is not, and Ant's .523 was slightly higher than Grant's .516 last year.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Pretty sure it was reported multiple times last season that Billups was pressuring Grant to jack up more shots.
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no... that was blabber Haberstoh hoping Ayton would start launching from deep. Those 30 & 18's weren't good enough for Tom. He wanted the bonus points on his fantasy team.
 
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It's ironic that normally I do not care what the Lakers do but still monitor them cause they are the Lakers and we Blazer fans do not like them but now I want them to do something even if it screws up OUR plan. Even if they pivot in another direction then we can at least start talking etc about what other teams might want Grant. What makes it worse is it seems like it might be a power play between a team I hate and a player who I kind of used to respect but now I think is a complete ass and this is slowing shit down from happening.
 
The Lakers better able to contend with Grant (and Time Lord?) (but not win it all) in 2025 — and the Blazers drinking their milkshake with 2 unprotected picks when they suck for the 2029 and 2031 drafts — is a trade off I can endorse.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Pretty sure it was reported multiple times last season that Billups was pressuring Grant to jack up more shots.
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Chaincey said that knowing he would be our best if not 2nd best scorer for 2023-2024. It was more stating the obvious like daying Jeramin is gunna have to carry the scoring load with Dame gone
 
Take this with a grain of salt. No idea how credible this info is.

 
No rush to trade grant. Lakers need to fork over two picks for him at the least imo. I would pick grant over derozen if I were them.
 
I wanna keep Rob. Trade Grant/Thybulle. We might need Rob backing up Cling Kong when we trade Ayton at the deadline.
 
B-Roy said:


It's summarizing what Irwin is saying here.

He also just mentioned that Portland doesn't want to sell low on Rob Williams. So no point trading him unless someone is paying legit value for him.
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Yes, Blazers have the clear advantage.

They cannot afford Markannen.

Would they rather have derozan or Grant?

And I agree about Timelord. If Grant is not here, he can play backup PF. We can showcase him and get better value at the deadline than simply throwing him as filler
 
Part of me wonders if we aren't using the Lakers to drive up the price on a team like the Warriors.
 
So worst case scenario we keep Rui and trade Gabe. What can we get for him? He is not a bad player. Maybe two 2nds?

Get a 1st and a couple of 2nds from LA and you end up with a 1st and 3 2nds and Hachimora?
It is still better than letting him walk instead of not signing him. But I say no.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Take this with a grain of salt. No idea how credible this info is.

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Good info in his thread.
Definitely does not read like he's making info up.

It looks like Gabe+1st would be included in the trade regardless. The question is DLo or Rui.

Personally, Id prefer Rui to try and flip.

If they're wanting a big to move AD to the 4, we can throw in Reath fir the extra pick
 
Pinwheel1 said:
So worst case scenario we keep Rui and trade Gabe. What can we get for him? He is not a bad player. Maybe two 2nds?

Get a 1st and a couple of 2nds from LA and you end up with a 1st and 3 2nds and Hachimora?
It is still better than letting him walk instead of not signing him. But I say no.
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I doubt Gabe has any value. I would anticipate that you'd have to pay to dump his contract
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Good info in his thread.
Definitely does not read like he's making info up.

It looks like Gabe+1st would be included in the trade regardless. The question is DLo or Rui.

Personally, Id prefer Rui to try and flip.

If they're wanting a big to move AD to the 4, we can throw in Reath fir the extra pick
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So you think Rui is easier to flip? It's hard to believe DLO has fallen this far.
 
I'm intrigued with the idea of sending DLO to a team that wants to move salary. Brooklyn has been mentioned as a team that would be willing to take back DLO for someone like Cam Johnson. I think Johnson is someone that could easily be moved at the trade deadline. The goal would be to eventually turn DLO into a pick or a player that will turn into a pick.
 
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IMO, both Rui and DLo have value, which is why the deals mentioned in the LakersSupply tweets include one or the other, but not both. If LA included both, and a pick, I wouldn't be surprised if Cronin would be able to flip each for even more draft capital.
 
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PtldPlatypus said:
IMO, both Rui and DLo have value, which is why the deals mentioned in the LakersSupply tweets include one or the other, but not both. If LA included both, and a pick, I wouldn't be surprised if Cronin would be able to flip each for even more draft capital.
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I am guessing its mostly because both make about 19M. Add in Gabe's 10M and you get 29M to match Grant.

Having both would mean Portland takes +7M in salary, which they obviously don't want to do.

I don't think either has much, if any value, but Rui is the more useful player.
 
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