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I think we're starting to see the value of being in the top 3, and it seems like Charlotte is seeing some of the rumors and thinking maybe trading the pick is a better move for their roster.

I'm just not sure how much value the third pick has if Charlotte trades their pick.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think we're starting to see the value of being in the top 3, and it seems like Charlotte is seeing some of the rumors and thinking maybe trading the pick is a better move for their roster.

I'm just not sure how much value the third pick has if Charlotte trades their pick.
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We take Miller if they trade their pick.
 
I am going to end this Siakam thing by saying this and not saying another thing on this topic unless he becomes a Blazer. I never said he was not better and I guess it's partly my fault I was not clear on one thing -- he is better then Grant but not by much and considering this would prolly be the only big move then it would not be enough to push the Blazers even into being a contender specially with what would need to be given up to get him. Also prolly a mute point cause there GM wants it all and hell would prolly turn down Wemby for him and say he wants 2 or 3 more 1st's since the Rap's GM is delusional on the value of his players.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yeah, I figured that was the lane you want. I am not ready for that unless we are forced into it, for the very point you mentioned..... the last two years have sucked and another 5 years of it is not what I want to experience. As for the two All-NBA-type players...we would be close to that if we added Siakam. Yes, the Lakers got swept in the conference finals which shows you how mediocre the West is right now. Moving up is not as difficult as it usually is.
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NO WHERE..... in that post or any other have I said that is "the lane I want." It continually fascinates me how I will post something and someone will quote me, and then attribute something to me that is nowhere in the quoted post. I do think one direction is better for the franchise than the other in terms of a particular direction or 'lane', but it isn't a personal want.

I would agree that outside of Denver, the West would seem to be fairly open, but the gulf between #1 and #4-6 might by quite the chasm and I don't see Portland getting much higher than that no matter how many young players or future Draft capital they through at the problem. Zion might actually be a path to how that could happen IF IF IF IF IF he came here, had a total change in discipline, food choices and dedication and became who he could be because he has the talent.

The 'IF's are monumental and I can't think of many success stories of players losing that kind of weight after getting paid, keeping it off and being productive.
 
TBpup said:
NO WHERE..... in that post or any other have I said that is "the lane I want." It continually fascinates me how I will post something and someone will quote me, and then attribute something to me that is nowhere in the quoted post. I do think one direction is better for the franchise than the other in terms of a particular direction or 'lane', but it isn't a personal want.
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Sorry I was not trying to put words in your mouth but it seemed which direction you prefer with this line:

"Sadly, at some point, it will be time to go in a new direction. Will that be with assets from Dame to support Sharpe or whomever is the next era, or will it be with an empty cupboard from chasing emotional dreams that had next to no chance of succeeding?"

I just don't think the cupboard necessarily will be empty.
 


Looking at this it has me getting my hopes up that we could do something like this
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Adding Bridges, Claxtong and either Whitmore or Walker to be a legit PF off of the bench would be the kind of team transformation that would be huge.
 

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Natebishop3 said:
We discussed it a bit yesterday. I thought Lloyd's comments on Scoot were very interesting. I also think he made some valid points about keeping the pick.
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I listened, but was multi-tasking...
I don't remember what his comments on Scoot were. Can you summarize again?
 
Now that Charlotte has all but confirmed that they are all-in on Brandon Miller, that makes the #3 much more valuable in that teams want Scoot and are willing to pay for it.

I think that setting for non-needle moving players would be a mistake.

I would take Zion for the #3 straight up right now. That guy, when healthy, is a needle mover. At this point, if the team is serious about making one last push to build a title team around Dame, they gotta swing for the fences, Trader Bob-style.
 
chris_in_pdx said:
Now that Charlotte has all but confirmed that they are all-in on Brandon Miller, that makes the #3 much more valuable in that teams want Scoot and are willing to pay for it.

I think that setting for non-needle moving players would be a mistake.

I would take Zion for the #3 straight up right now. That guy, when healthy, is a needle mover. At this point, if the team is serious about making one last push to build a title team around Dame, they gotta swing for the fences, Trader Bob-style.
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Completely agree but most thorough physical ever and a second. Check every nook and cranny. Spend as much as you need to to get an MRI on all body parts. It's going to be a risk regardless but do our due diligence
 
Trading the third for zion will be a huge mistake. Mark my words.
I said from the get go he has an Oliver Miller future. But looking more like a Swannigan future( minus the passing).

He is just too think for the modern nba.

do not mortgage the future on a guy who will not be in tue league three years from now.
 
chris_in_pdx said:
Now that Charlotte has all but confirmed that they are all-in on Brandon Miller, that makes the #3 much more valuable in that teams want Scoot and are willing to pay for it.

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What did I miss? Is that from Stein?
 
illmatic99 said:
I dunno if someone already posted this but Josh Lloyd talked about our options and hinted at Toronto (?). Couldn't process what he was saying.

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So Lloyd (and even Richman seems to know), that a deal is on the table if Scoot is there, even if it's not the Plan A deal.

Red/White/Black - Lavine/Siakam/Bam(? unlikely)

Possibly why Dame is so confident he is staying is because he knows there are offers on the table that we would do as a last resort if X player is there at 3.

Lack of Siakam talk makes me believe Siakam is probably that guy. I don't think you'd hear much about the actual trade before it actually happens.

If it's LaVine I will be sorely disappointed, but both Marang and Highkin are so adamantly shooting down that possibility that I really don't think the FO would value LaVine.

 
Trading for Zion is obviously a HUGE gamble. I wonder what, if any affect Nike being here might have on the situation -- you'd think they have a seriously vested interest in him getting back on track as well...

Not something I'd be doing backflips over, but as others have said... this is the kind of swing that could actually move the championship needle if it works out.
 
For what it's worth, both Highkin and Marang don't think the Blazers would be interested in Ingram for #3. At least not by himself. Neither think Ingram (and you know this is from talking to people in the org) is the type of player the Blazers value as a true difference maker. Take that for what you will.

Both agree Portland would absolutely swing on Zion.
 
glazeduck said:
Trading for Zion is obviously a HUGE gamble. I wonder what, if any affect Nike being here might have on the situation -- you'd think they have a seriously vested interest in him getting back on track as well...

Not something I'd be doing backflips over, but as others have said... this is the kind of swing that could actually move the championship needle if it works out.
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Ive heard the Nike bit but i think its overestimated. With that type of money you shouldn't need an outside influence to stay in game shape.
 
BlazerBender said:
Ive heard the Nike bit but i think its overestimated. With that type of money you shouldn't need an outside influence to stay in game shape.
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Totally agree, but most young men are squirrelly at that age in general. By no means is it a panacea but more resources in the area certainly can't hurt...
 
B-Roy said:
For what it's worth, both Highkin and Marang don't think the Blazers would be interested in Ingram for #3. At least not by himself. Neither think Ingram (and you know this is from talking to people in the org) is the type of player the Blazers value as a true difference maker. Take that for what you will.

Both agree Portland would absolutely swing on Zion.
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I would hope that Zion would have to be in playing shape in a physical/workout before this trade was made official.
 
BlazerBender said:
fair enough. Still dont want him. Too thick of bones and not an nba body.
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Playing devil's advocate, because his body is not typical for today's NBA...... we could zig while everyone else zags.
He would still need to get into shape, but let's face it there are not many PFs these days that can stop him. He overpowers almost everyone.
 
AmirIcon said:
I wouldn't touch Zion with a 10 ft pole. I don't know why we're even talking about him.
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I wouldn't either.... but we're talking about him because when he's actually healthy and playing, he's one of the best players in the league. He would actually vault this team into contention (if healthy.)
 
B-Roy said:
If we trade Simons and #3 and all we get back is Siakam I think that's a huge fail.
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I think #3 should be enough to secure Siakam. So I think Ant should be re-routed to a third team that just gives Toronto expirings and we get the extra value from that team... say Orlando.
Us outgoing Ant, Nurk, #3 and #23... incoming Siakam, WCJ and #11
Toronto outgoing Siakam... incoming #3, Gary Harris and Nurk
Orlando outgoing #11, Harris and WCJ... incoming Ant and #23

People keep acting like we could trade Ant and the #3 for Siakam straight up but Ant is 6M shy of matching the minimum towards Siakam's salary and picks/the rights to picks to have any matching value until the pick is signed and then you have to wait 60 days. So I guess people are just throwing in Nas and I think Nas has positive value. They should have to take Nurk who although he can play might have slightly negative value or just neutral value and would have us taking on less salary. Especially if we can get a better fitting replacement at starting C.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I wouldn't either.... but we're talking about him because when he's actually healthy and playing, he's one of the best players in the league. He would actually vault this team into contention (if healthy.)
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Of course, but he'll never stay healthy. Bad risk unless you can send him elsewhere and also get back Murphy or Jones.
 
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