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Ed O said:
Not all "all-NBA players" are the same. Dame made third team at age 32. Siakam made third team last year.

This is not Nokic and Doncic we're talking about, which are examples of younger guys that have been more than borderline all-NBA players recently.

Dame, Siakam, and Grant is a dead end. An expensive sacrificial last gasp effort to make the best Blazer ever happy.

Scoot, Sharpe, and other quality young players is definitely no guaranteed success, either. Their team might never make it out of the playoffs. But there's a potential future that doesn't involve almost guaranteed injuries, lack of depth, and mediocrity with three aging guys and few reinforcements (due to lack of young guys other than Sharpe and a team hamstrung financially) on the way.
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True, but when was the last time we had two 3rd team All NBA players on our team? I don't consider Siakam who would be 29, 30, 31, and 32 in the next 4 years as aging. If you want to have a 7-year plan with young players....fine but a lot of things can go wrong. Seems like a 3-4 year plan is all we can hope for.
I will say that a Scoot-Sharpe backcourt intrigues me (along with Dame) but if we do get a good offer for #3 I would take it.
 
Ed O said:
Not all "all-NBA players" are the same. Dame made third team at age 32. Siakam made third team last year.
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It’s not clear what you mean by saying Dame made 3rd team at age 32. Just to be sure it’s recognized correctly, as you say, Dame did make third team all-NBA this year at age 32. It was his 7th time making an all-NBA team. His first was in 2014 when he was 23.
 
Ed O said:
I said "potentially".

You said "is going to".

Those are not the same things, dude. You know this and are either being disingenuous or lazy and not reading what I'm actually posting.
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really? you're going to die on the hill of "potentially"?

OK... I'll see your 'Portland-can-potentially-contend-with-the-bird-in-the-bush-Scoot-in-the-next-3-4-years" and raise you a "Portland-can-potentially-contend-with-the-Bird-in-the-hand-Dame-in-the-next-3-4-years"

when the gauge is "potentially", nothing is really out of bounds is it

personally, I'd think there is a much better chance (remote) of Portland contending with Brandon Miller than Scoot. Miller has the length and plays the most important position...wing. Of course, drafting Miller can't justify Dame trades like drafting Scoot can
 
Pinwheel1 said:
True, but when was the last time we had two 3rd team All NBA players on our team? I don't consider Siakam who would be 29, 30, 31, and 32 in the next 4 years as aging. If you want to have a 7-year plan with young players....fine but a lot of things can go wrong. Seems like a 3-4 year plan is all we can hope for.
I will say that a Scoot-Sharpe backcourt intrigues me (along with Dame) but if we do get a good offer for #3 I would take it.
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Plus Dame was on his way to being 1st team all NBA. He got shut down for obvious reasons. The fact he was 3rd team, with missing so many games is pretty telling how good he is still.
 
Ed O said:
Are you asking me that? Or him?

I posted several points about the future with trading Scoot for Siakam, saying it was a dead end. I also said that with Scoot we can potentially be a contender in 3 or 4 years.

Then he asked me if Scoot "is going to" make us a contender in three years.

He didn't make any points otherwise in his post that are at all relevant, given we don't know what will happen in three or four years.
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I quoted you.


You ignored all of this….
wizenheimer said:
c'mon man

Lebron didn't win a title till his 9th season; Giannis his 8th season. Jokic is in his 8th season and hasn't won yet; Embiid is in his 8th season and hasn't even played in a conference finals game. And those two guys have won the last 3 MVP's. It took Curry 6 seasons and the construction of an incredible roster. Kawhi was in his 8th season when he won in Toronto. Durant was in his 10th season when he won in Golden State

and they all had all-star teammates; often more than one.

Ja Morant finished his 4th season and Memphis was a 1st round exit miles away from contention, and he's playing with a DPOY in JJJ and a future all-star in Bane. SGA finished his 5th season on a young talented team, much like you describe, and they had a losing record and were in the lottery again
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And focused on this…
wizenheimer said:
but Scoot is going to do it in 3 seasons? lol
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And everything he said was very relevant if you don't think so then Ill have to rethink how i take your posts.
 
One thing I heard mentioned as an idea: #3 for Franz Wagner.

if Scoot is available, Orlando may see him as a better fit to be the lead guard of the future compared to Suggs and Fultz, and is a better fit with Paolo.

they also have their own pick to replace Franz with another wing.
 
After having a day to process, last night was such a win.

All these trade discussions we're talking about and we haven't even talked about the 23rd pick or trying to get our pick back from Chicago so we can free up future draft capital. We now have the ability to make a move using just our lottery pick AND THEN make another move on top.

Getting top 3 was huge.
 
There will never be a better situation for this team to rebuild than right now. They have one valuable trade piece (the draft pick) and nobody could possibly turn it into enough veteran talent, along with Dame and the current roster, to be contenders. Trading the pick puts the team back in the mediocrity cycle of having no good picks and too many overpaid, under talented players.
On the other hand, with the draft picks they could get in trading Dame, Ant, etc along with Shae and pick #3, they could absolutely load up on inexpensive young talent. They could finally build a balanced roster with an actual plan for roles. Coming out of this draft with 3 or 4 of Miller, Amen, Ausar, Whitmore, Hendricks, Wallace, Walker, Rupert, Hawkins, Clowney, Lively, Coulibaly, Sasser, Vuksevic would be the best shot this franchise has had, even if its 4, 5 or 6 years away. No they won't be guaranteed all-stars, but this is a chance to get pieces that can fit together to make a team that could contend because this team, along with potential trade targets, won't.
 
The problem with Lillard which is no fault of his own is that some super stars would want him to bail to their teams. However, Lillard cannot thru no fault of his own entice super stars to Portland. To me this is a no win situation and restocking this team with young talent and draft picks has a much better chance of having a better outcom.
 
For the record, I've changed my tune a bit on trading Dame. I don't mind it. Maybe it's because I just don't trust Joe.
 
Freshtown said:
One thing I heard mentioned as an idea: #3 for Franz Wagner.

if Scoot is available, Orlando may see him as a better fit to be the lead guard of the future compared to Suggs and Fultz, and is a better fit with Paolo.

they also have their own pick to replace Franz with another wing.
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The Blazers would have to send out a player to so it would have to include someone like Nas and Nas plus #3 is a way overpay for Wagner. I think they would have to send the 6th to Portland at least
 
tykendo said:
I'm terrified by the lack of Affordable housing , and struggling to make ends meet.
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Go get some job skills and increase your income then.

I can actually do something about that money thing. Problem is when my favorite NBA team does stupid moves I'm a helpless frustrated spectator.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
True, but when was the last time we had two 3rd team All NBA players on our team? I don't consider Siakam who would be 29, 30, 31, and 32 in the next 4 years as aging. If you want to have a 7-year plan with young players....fine but a lot of things can go wrong. Seems like a 3-4 year plan is all we can hope for.
I will say that a Scoot-Sharpe backcourt intrigues me (along with Dame) but if we do get a good offer for #3 I would take it.
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Agreed.
Also, its not like we are necessarily tied to Grant long-term. Get him under contract & then look for a fitting trade in the next year or two.
 
twobullz said:
The Blazers would have to send out a player to so it would have to include someone like Nas and Nas plus #3 is a way overpay for Wagner. I think they would have to send the 6th to Portland at least
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No they wouldn't.
Portland has a TPE that they could received a player making under $8M. The draft pick is considered 'compensation' to make the trade legal.
 
There are still so many unknowns.

Who is Charlotte leaning towards picking?

What kind of value does this pick have?

Who is potentially available?

I'd be very curious who Mike Schmitz thinks is the better prospect between Scoot and Miller. If he thinks that Scoot is a superstar in the making, and the Hornets take Miller, I'm not sure if we can pass on Scoot. Or are fans really gearing up to repeat passing on Jordan or Chis Paul.
 
Freshtown said:
One thing I heard mentioned as an idea: #3 for Franz Wagner.

if Scoot is available, Orlando may see him as a better fit to be the lead guard of the future compared to Suggs and Fultz, and is a better fit with Paolo.

they also have their own pick to replace Franz with another wing.
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Why the fuck do the Blazers do this?
 
Irish Trader said:
The problem with Lillard which is no fault of his own is that some super stars would want him to bail to their teams. However, Lillard cannot thru no fault of his own entice super stars to Portland. To me this is a no win situation and restocking this team with young talent and draft picks has a much better chance of having a better outcom.
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Look how long OKC is taking in their rebuild. And while all the young talent, and future picks are nice, they still aren't there. It's been what, 7 years of this rebuild. It could take 4 to 5 more till they get a player who is SGA level, if they do. Chet is interest, and has a wonderful skillset, but can he stay healthy. What if SGA bolts. Then you're back to square 1. There are no super teams right now. If the Blazers go "All IN' and acquire some quality pieces to put around Dame over the next 2 seasons , and it doesn't work, you still have Sharpe, being as young as he is, to build around with youth later. Rebuilding takes much longer unless you're lucky enough to get a LeBron, Wemby type talent. We all hope Sharpe is the truth. If he is, it will really show this year, in a pronounced uptick in his play. But to give up and start rebuild now, it can take years upon years to find a player who has Dame's abilities, if ever. And i say this all the time. Most of us love Portland. We wouldn't be here if we didn't, unless there's financial issues that don't allow a move. But not all athletes buy in to this special place ( lack of entertainment choices, weather, etc.). And they might choose to force the Blazers hand and want out, instead of maxing out money wise here.
 
tykendo said:
Look how long OKC is taking in their rebuild. And while all the young talent, and future picks are nice, they still aren't there. It's been what, 7 years of this rebuild. It could take 4 to 5 more till they get a player who is SGA level, if they do. Chet is interest, and has a wonderful skillset, but can he stay healthy. What if SGA bolts. Then you're back to square 1. There are no super teams right now. If the Blazers go "All IN' and acquire some quality pieces to put around Dame over the next 2 seasons , and it doesn't work, you still have Sharpe, being as young as he is, to build around with youth later. Rebuilding takes much longer unless you're lucky enough to get a LeBron, Wemby type talent. We all hope Sharpe is the truth. If he is, it will really show this year, in a pronounced uptick in his play. But to give up and start rebuild now, it can take years upon years to find a player who has Dame's abilities, if ever. And i say this all the time. Most of us love Portland. We wouldn't be here if we didn't, unless there's financial issues that don't allow a move. But not all athletes buy in to this special place ( lack of entertainment choices, weather, etc.). And they might choose to force the Blazers hand and want out, instead of maxing out money wise here.
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That’s why OKC is on my list of teams to trade Dame.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
No they wouldn't.
Portland has a TPE that they could received a player making under $8M. The draft pick is considered 'compensation' to make the trade legal.
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Oh yeah forgot about the TPE, but no way is Wagner worth the #3 pick.
 
I totally buy the Scoot hype. He actually killed Wemby the time they played against each other. I wouldn't want to pass on him if he was available.
 
tykendo said:
Look how long OKC is taking in their rebuild. And while all the young talent, and future picks are nice, they still aren't there. It's been what, 7 years of this rebuild. It could take 4 to 5 more till they get a player who is SGA level, if they do. Chet is interest, and has a wonderful skillset, but can he stay healthy. What if SGA bolts. Then you're back to square 1. There are no super teams right now. If the Blazers go "All IN' and acquire some quality pieces to put around Dame over the next 2 seasons , and it doesn't work, you still have Sharpe, being as young as he is, to build around with youth later. Rebuilding takes much longer unless you're lucky enough to get a LeBron, Wemby type talent. We all hope Sharpe is the truth. If he is, it will really show this year, in a pronounced uptick in his play. But to give up and start rebuild now, it can take years upon years to find a player who has Dame's abilities, if ever. And i say this all the time. Most of us love Portland. We wouldn't be here if we didn't, unless there's financial issues that don't allow a move. But not all athletes buy in to this special place ( lack of entertainment choices, weather, etc.). And they might choose to force the Blazers hand and want out, instead of maxing out money wise here.
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Where do you get this 7 years? They went to game 7 in 2020 and have the same 3 playoff wins in that span as the Blazers with "win now" Dame.

Since 2020 when OKC was in the playoffs; they missed the playoffs two years and made the playin once. The Blazers missed the playoffs twice and got beat in game 6 of the first round once.

I'd take OKC assets to eventually contend over the Blazers and many other franchises all day long.

Typical Blazers mediocrity content fans to delusionally view the teams (lack) of accomplishments.
 
SIeepwalker said:
So Scoot + Dame ? Seems like a bad fit ?
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You either keep Scoot or you keep Ant to pair with Sharpe. Either one backs up Dame for the next 4 years.
Scoot has better trade value so I assume they will trade him. Maybe they trade both in order to match salaries.
 
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