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Since Portland is not expected by most, here, to complete a trade for another #1 guy to go with Dame, then it’s unlikely that the incoming trade dude will make Portland a contender on his own. Other moves will be necessary … that’s looking at Nurkic. And a back-up PG if Ant is gone. And some rebounding help from a back-up PF or PF/C.

Jaylen Brown (Go Miami!) > Bridges (Go Dame and Mikal and his agent!) > Siakam (Most Expensive Raptor and a UFA in a Year!) > DDR (Go Dame!) > OG (Optimg out in a year after FVV and GTJr try to get theirs, now). (And if it’s Jaylen Brown, Payton Pritchard better be a toss-in!)

If it takes Ant, 3 and 2 first rounders for the best, okay. No trading Sharpe unless it’s Embiid.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
One issue here is Sharpe. I'm a huge Sharpe fan, but he's still 19. Unlikely hes even as good as Ant next year. Now 5 years out I love his upside. But if your talking about only next season, and a team trying to contend, he's the weak link of that lineup. Really need another guard, Hart would've been perfect as a gatekeeping starter or great backup.

But if the Blazers can get Bridges and Claxton for #3 and Ant that might actually be good enough to proceed with. I'd hold out for Nurk in place of Ant. I'm doubtful the Blazers would get offered either though.
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Would need to go after Bruce Brown with the MLE to take the pressure of Sharpe and potentially start as that lockdown POA defender.
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
Since Portland is not expected by most, here, to complete a trade for another #1 guy to go with Dame, then it’s unlikely that the incoming trade dude will make Portland a contender on his own. Other moves will be necessary … that’s looking at Nurkic. And a back-up PG if Ant is gone. And some rebounding help from a back-up PF or PF/C.

Jaylen Brown (Go Miami!) > Bridges (Go Dame and Mikal and his agent!) > Siakam (Most Expensive Raptor and a UFA in a Year!) > DDR (Go Dame!) > OG (Optimg out in a year after FVV and GTJr try to get theirs, now). (And if it’s Jaylen Brown, Payton Pritchard better be a toss-in!)

If it takes Ant, 3 and 2 first rounders for the best, okay. No trading Sharpe unless it’s Embiid.
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I think Ant + 3 is enough for JB. Thing is that team needs a good bench to contend, and that's where Cronin would really earn his payday.
 
Predator said:
Whitmore is 20(?)lbs heavier, more athletic, more explosive and attacks the basket a lot more because he has a great first step, Reddish is slow
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All true, though heavier is being kind. Whitmore looks like he's carrying bad weight to my eyes. While we've all got different body types, compared to Reddish he measured 3/4" shorter and 27 pounds heavier with a lot less length too... not much in common with CR. They didn't list body fat % in this combine... if I was a GM kicking tires I would want to know whats what with that.

STOMP
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
Since Portland is not expected by most, here, to complete a trade for another #1 guy to go with Dame, then it’s unlikely that the incoming trade dude will make Portland a contender on his own. Other moves will be necessary … that’s looking at Nurkic. And a back-up PG if Ant is gone. And some rebounding help from a back-up PF or PF/C.

Jaylen Brown (Go Miami!) > Bridges (Go Dame and Mikal and his agent!) > Siakam (Most Expensive Raptor and a UFA in a Year!) > DDR (Go Dame!) > OG (Optimg out in a year after FVV and GTJr try to get theirs, now). (And if it’s Jaylen Brown, Payton Pritchard better be a toss-in!)

If it takes Ant, 3 and 2 first rounders for the best, okay. No trading Sharpe unless it’s Embiid.
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I think PP would be a great addition to the roster. He will help, although only a small amount, with attendance. He is very underrated. I know he would like to come home to play so he should be easy to re-sign. He'll give smart, solid, high effort minutes every night and he won't cost a ton. Boston has barely used him with the additions of White and Brogdon, but he's played well when on the court.
I remember reading that a very good vet PG (I can't remember who) was asked who is the most underrated PG in the league and without hesitating he said PP. I'll try to find the quote.
 
I like this kind of trade:

The Miami Heat completed a four-team trade that allows them to sign All-Star guard Jimmy Butler to a four-year, $142 million contract, league sources told ESPN on Monday.

The Heat are sending center Hassan Whiteside to the Portland Trail Blazers, guard Josh Richardson to the Philadelphia 76ers and a protected 2023 first-round pick to the Los Angeles Clippers to secure the salary-cap flexibility to complete the sign-and-trade deal with the 76ers, league sources tell ESPN.
 
South East said:
I think Portland continues to play 2 time lines.

Orlando trades 6, 11, WCJ -> 3 and Nurkic
Portland trades 3, Simons, Nurkic -> OG, WCJ, 11, 13
Toronto trades OG, 13 -> 6, Simons

Orlando gets their PG of the future
Portland gets upgrades but has flexibility to get more support with 3 firsts.
Toronto gets better assets then they wanted last year so add the first
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While this isn’t splashy, it gets an upgrade at center (IMHO), a 3&D SF with size, 11 (Gradey Dick) and BPA at 13. I wouldn’t be yelling shenanigans. [I’m a Gradey Dick fan. In a re-draft in 5 years, he goes higher.]

Contender? I don’t know. But good? Yup.
 
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1 Eye Jack said:
fair, but no matter how many people say these two guys are guaranteed to be all stars someday. Seems like we hear that about the top 3 picks every year and there is a miss or two. Siakam, Dame, Grant, Sharpe and even Nurk is a very strong team maybe top 5 in west now that there has been a drop off by some top teams that are aging. If you free up NY pick then you could use Nurk and 2-3 1st rounders to upgrade center position maybe try and get Naz
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Dame has been the 3rd seed twice and never been on a contender. Having a ceiling of 5th in the west with a bunch of old capped out veterans is a dumb way to try and win a title.

Yes the #3 pick could be a bust. But if it hits the upside is much much higher than a 30year old 200 million Siakam. Plus you'd also have that extea salary slot for another starter. The 3rd picks are All-stars more often than not, so it's not some rare unlikely chance.
 
STOMP said:
All true, though heavier is being kind. Whitmore looks like he's carrying bad weight to my eyes. While we've all got different body types, compared to Reddish he measured 3/4" shorter and 27 pounds heavier with a lot less length too... not much in common with CR. They didn't list body fat % in this combine... if I was a GM kicking tires I would want to know whats what with that.

STOMP
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He doesn't look like that extra weight affects his abilities much.
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WesleyMatthews said:
Dame has been the 3rd seed twice and never been on a contender. Having a ceiling of 5th in the west with a bunch of old capped out veterans is a dumb way to try and win a title.

Yes the #3 pick could be a bust. But if it hits the upside is much much higher than a 30year old 200 million Siakam. Plus you'd also have that extea salary slot for another starter. The 3rd picks are All-stars more often than not, so it's not some rare unlikely chance.
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Respect your opinion and understand your point on cap. I’ve flip flopped so many times I want to keep the pick but also think getting a player of Siakam’s ability would make us a very very good team. When I say top 5 doesn’t mean they are limited to 5. Dame, Siakam, Grant, Sharpe and Nurk is the best team we’ve had in last ten years including better than the team that went to WCF. It also matches up really well with any team in west. Add couple of vets to bench and I’d be happy. That said I’d also be happy to keep the pick (I’m a flip flooper). If we trade the pick I just want at a minimum Siakam or better player.
 
Predator said:
“This works in trade checker..

TOR: Sharpe + Nurkic + Little + K.Johnson + 3# overall pick

POR: Siakam

TOR
PG- Barnes
SG- Sharpe
SF- Miller (3#)
PF - OG
C - Poeltl

Bench - C. Wallace (13#), Nurkic, Boucher, O.Potter, Little

Would we do it? Would they?”

L O L
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No thank you
 
Freshtown said:
Seems like Charlotte is thinking miller?

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Charlotte drafted a very-gifted-at-passing point guard with the 3rd pick in the 2020 draft, LaMelo Ball. From what I have read and seen, Charlotte wants to build around LaMelo.
Scoot could work with LaMelo, but Miller is a better fit.
 
LayneStaley said:
If Scoot goes 2 why trade the pick for a SF when Miller is a SF on a rookie deal? The kid doesn’t suck and has as much upside as a Bridges or Brown.
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I agree that he has as much upside, and has a chance to become a better player (IMO) than either.

There are 2 issues.

First is one of timing. IF Miller develops into a player the caliber of Bridges/Brown - it will miss Dame's likely peak

Second is there are no guarantees that he becomes as good or better. I THINK he will, but would only give it a 50/50 chance. It may be better to take the known quantity of Bridges//Brown
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
I agree that he has as much upside, and has a chance to become a better player (IMO) than either.

There are 2 issues.

First is one of timing. IF Miller develops into a player the caliber of Bridges/Brown - it will miss Dame's likely peak

Second is there are no guarantees that he becomes as good or better. I THINK he will, but would only give it a 50/50 chance. It may be better to take the known quantity of Bridges//Brown
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Well said.

Draft success is more than predicting how high someones ceiling and potential is.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Second is there are no guarantees that he becomes as good or better. I THINK he will, but would only give it a 50/50 chance. It may be better to take the known quantity of Bridges//Brown
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Same reason I would consider a trade for Franz. Only 1 year older but has two years of NBA experience to evaluate. And we would not have to give any other assets to get him. (assuming Orlando likes someone at 3)
 
Predator said:
Had a 40.5” vertical at the combine.
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My question isn't if he's super athletic, it's if he's having weight issues as a 2o year old, whats the deal? My first impression watching him was he was carrying bad weight. The combine sure seemed to confirm it, but maybe 235 is in shape for him? I would think others would have the same concern

STOMP
 
blazerfan11 said:
I like this kind of trade:

The Miami Heat completed a four-team trade that allows them to sign All-Star guard Jimmy Butler to a four-year, $142 million contract, league sources told ESPN on Monday.

The Heat are sending center Hassan Whiteside to the Portland Trail Blazers, guard Josh Richardson to the Philadelphia 76ers and a protected 2023 first-round pick to the Los Angeles Clippers to secure the salary-cap flexibility to complete the sign-and-trade deal with the 76ers, league sources tell ESPN.
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I say the blazers should get a ring for helping giftwrap himmy butler.
 
Tince said:
I wasn't sure we were, but I would've bet that we were going to... and I would've lost my money!

Unless there was a better deal than the ones rumored, Cronin maximized value by keeping the pick.
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And I expect he'll maximize value again this year. Keep or trade the pick, I think he'll make the decision that they determine puts the most talent on the team.
 
If (when) Grant comes back, do we really need a wing? Grant IS NOT a 4. He is a very poor rebounder and this team got killed on the boards last year. I think we really need to be looking for for a 4. Either that or if Grant can’t guard 3s then move the fuck on
 
blazerfan11 said:
It depends on the cost. Siakam’s on an expiring contract. Definitely can’t give up Scoot Henderson/Brandon Miller for that.
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Those two will more than likely be solid players down the road, a few years. A guy like Siakam is a proven warrior and champion. He's a dog and in my opinion would fit fine with Dame.
 
This Siakam love makes no sense to me. He is on a team loaded with talent, Barnes, OG, Trent Jr, VanVleet and Poeltl yet finished 41-41 losing in first playin game. How are they not winning the east? Is it just a team full of second and third options with no leaders? We want to give up number 3, Ant and possibly more for that? Siakam and OG are not worth the 3 and we should move on. Draft Scoot or Miller at 3.
 
BIG Q said:
This Siakam love makes no sense to me. He is on a team loaded with talent, Barnes, OG, Trent Jr, VanVleet and Poeltl yet finished 41-41 losing in first playin game. How are they not winning the east? Is it just a team full of second and third options with no leaders? We want to give up number 3, Ant and possibly more for that? Siakam and OG are not worth the 3 and we should move on. Draft Scoot or Miller at 3.
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This is why their coach got fired. Maybe Trent and Van Vleet were a bad fit together? Poeltl only played 26 games and they played much better once they got him. I admit I have used your argument for various players in the last 20 years, but I think you can say that about a lot of good players and it would be foolish not to think they can win in a different environment. We see it happen all the time.
 
BIG Q said:
This Siakam love makes no sense to me. He is on a team loaded with talent, Barnes, OG, Trent Jr, VanVleet and Poeltl yet finished 41-41 losing in first playin game. How are they not winning the east? Is it just a team full of second and third options with no leaders? We want to give up number 3, Ant and possibly more for that? Siakam and OG are not worth the 3 and we should move on. Draft Scoot or Miller at 3.
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Agreed. Siakim is like Jerami Grant to me. Puts up inflated #'s as the #1 option but isn't a real #1 option.

Is he a good 2nd? Maybe. but probably better suited as a 3rd. But a 2nd or 3rd isn't really someone you trade a young prospect (Simons)+ the 3rd pick in the draft for.
 
BIG Q said:
This Siakam love makes no sense to me. He is on a team loaded with talent, Barnes, OG, Trent Jr, VanVleet and Poeltl yet finished 41-41 losing in first playin game. How are they not winning the east? Is it just a team full of second and third options with no leaders? We want to give up number 3, Ant and possibly more for that? Siakam and OG are not worth the 3 and we should move on. Draft Scoot or Miller at 3.
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Toronto doesn't have many players who can create or run an offense. They are mostly all wings.

You can't win like that.

But they still should have won more if they had a decent coach.
 
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