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If we truly want to pull off a 2008 Celtics level of transformation, and go for a chip with Dame, we need two stars coming in this summer.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Boston Fans I have spoken to are ready to move on from Smart. Granted he is good defensively, but I get the feeling he rubs people the wrong way and thinks he is better offensively than he actually is. He is a bit frustrating.
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I’ve never been a fan he takes some poor shots and decisions with the ball.
 
I still like the idea of Franz Wagner. I like his size for a SF and his contract can fit within the TPE
If you want to make two moves then this seems to be the best option because other than #3.....we would still have all our trade assets.
It doesn't have to be Wagner but it does need to be a younger player within the 8 million slot.
 
In the top 3 of the draft you should be drafting a Batman, not Robin. If this draft has only three Batman's, then take one. Why trade the 3, Simons and other capital for a Robin or Catwoman off of Toronto's roster? Just draft Batman.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
He was coach of the year, won an NBA finals, and is the leading candidate for a number of coaching vacancies.

Maybe he isn't the best coach in the entire NBA, but he certainly is at the least a "decent" coach.
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Yeah, I agree. I think Nurse is a far better coach than we have.

Maybe not having their center for most of the season was the problem? I don't know...
 
Natebishop3 said:
If we truly want to pull off a 2008 Celtics level of transformation, and go for a chip with Dame, we need two stars coming in this summer.
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Lets look into this - First Simons and 3 for Brown.
Then Blazers could give #23 and 2nd to pay off Chicago. Finally send out 4 future firsts for another stud starter. So lets say Embiid becomes available, maybe thats the move. Embiid most certainly would have to give up Sharpe as well.

Dame Brown Grant Embiid

I'll be very sad to lose all 3 of the Simons/Sharpe/#3 - but if thats the resulting contending lineup yes it makes sense. But if we break up that core for some stupid Siakam or OG or Ayton trade I'll be furious.

The issue if its not Embiid is we probably need Nurks salary in there for the trade but then we also need to get a starting center somehow.

The other often discussed rumor is Blazers acquiring Bridges and Claxton. They could likely retain Sharpe in those deals, but yes obvious not the same level of proven allstars.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Lets look into this - First Simons and 3 for Brown.
Then Blazers could give #23 and 2nd to pay off Chicago. Finally send out 4 future firsts for another stud starter. So lets say Embiid becomes available, maybe thats the move. Embiid most certainly would have to give up Sharpe as well.

Dame Brown Grant Embiid

I'll be very sad to lose all 3 of the Simons/Sharpe/#3 - but if thats the resulting contending lineup yes it makes sense. But if we break up that core for some stupid Siakam or OG or Ayton trade I'll be furious.

The issue if its not Embiid is we probably need Nurks salary in there for the trade but then we also need to get a starting center somehow.

The other often discussed rumor is Blazers acquiring Bridges and Claxton. They could likely retain Sharpe in those deals, but yes obvious not the same level of proven allstars.
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Sadly we don't have enough money to match Embiid and Brown. I was trying to figure it out with Brown and Siakam and Siakam makes less money than Embiid.
 
BIG Q said:
In the top 3 of the draft you should be drafting a Batman, not Robin. If this draft has only three Batman's, then take one. Why trade the 3, Simons and other capital for a Robin or Catwoman off of Toronto's roster? Just draft Batman.
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I am not sure there is even one Batman in this draft. I would argue that even Victor, as good as he could be, is not the type of guy who can take over a game. Regardless of Victor, who else is a clear choice to be the #1 guy on a team?
 
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Boston Media is always over valuing their talent. Must be something in the chowda. I like Brown, and he probably could use some fresh air. But the Blazers have to be careful with his contract demands. They still need to add other supporting pieces. I think Mikal Bridges is the Blazers main target. His salary, and the potential to be able to add more pieces is ideal. I'm not worried that the Nets are in the "We're not trading him " mode. They aren't, till they are. Scootmania will be out of control in a month. I can easily see Brooklyn changing their stance. And Russilo is HIGH.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
Hate when people say that, I’ve watched and coached basketball for over 30 years. he’s a top 4 center in league with still plenty of room for growth. He’s also a guarantee unlike the draft pick. You hope Miller ends up as good as him so why take risk if you have the known talent and he’s young.
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Then you & I are watching completely different Aytons.

He is no where near a top 4 center in the league.
He's better than Nurk, but not so much better that he's worth 2x the contract.
Ayton is probably in the top 12-16 range while Nurk is around 20-24.
 
tykendo said:
Boston Media is always over valuing their talent. Must be something in the chowda. I like Brown, and he probably could use some fresh air. But the Blazers have to be careful with his contract demands. They still need to add other supporting pieces. I think Mikal Bridges is the Blazers main target. His salary, and the potential to be able to add more pieces is ideal. I'm not worried that the Nets are in the "We're not trading him " mode. They aren't, till they are. Scootmania will be out of control in a month. I can easily see Brooklyn changing their stance. And Russilo is HIGH.
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I think if we really want to swing for the fences, the target has to be Embiid. If Harden is really leaving, that team is done. They don't have nearly enough talent around him to continue to win. I'm not in love with throwing everything at Philly, but pairing Embiid with Dame is the only player that would actually give us a legit shot at a ring.

Simons
Nurk
#3

That would give them Scoot or Miller. Simons is a young stud. Maybe we need to give them another pick but that's a pretty good haul for Embiid.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Then you & I are watching completely different Aytons.

He is no where near a top 4 center in the league.
He's better than Nurk, but not so much better that he's worth 2x the contract.
Ayton is probably in the top 12-16 range while Nurk is around 20-24.
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I get what you're saying money wise, Ayton, at least so far, is not worth double the money. But i scoured the centers in the League. There aren't more than 15 , real centers with talent , out there. There are many teams that are playing with a PF as a center. Nurk is just outside the top 10. Which ain't great. If he could bring his "Beast Mode" every game, he'd be just outside the top 5. But dealing in reality, he's around 10 to 12. Go look. Real centers, they're aren't many anymore. I put Nurk in the Valanciunas , Myles Turner area. Turner is just as banged up,, and inconsistent.
 
BlazerBender said:
yes we do. Per nba trade machine. I made it work, but then swapped out Bridges.
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Those two players make almost $80 million together. How are you matching that?

Brown - $32 million next year
Embiid - $47 million next year

Nurk - $17 million
Simons - $24 million
Sharpe - $6.3 million

You're just a little over halfway there. How are you making up the other half?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Those two players make almost $80 million together. How are you matching that?

Brown - $32 million next year
Embiid - $47 million next year

Nurk - $17 million
Simons - $24 million
Sharpe - $6.3 million

You're just a little over halfway there. How are you making up the other half?
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Including johnson/little and watford gets us within 4 mill. But you aRe right. I cant get it to work without Sharpes salary.
How about a re-signed and traded knox or reddish for the amount needed?
 
BlazerBender said:
Including johnson/little and watford gets us within 4 mill. But you aRe right. I cant get it to work without Sharpes salary.
How about a re-signed and traded knox or reddish for the amount needed?
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Yup. You're right. We would need to trade literally the entire team except Dame.

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BlazerBender said:
Id still do it.

Dame/Sharpe/Brown/Grant/Embiid would likely be favorites.
Thybulle, one of reddish or knox, Eubanks and Walker fill out the bench. (With a few holes to fill)
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No Sharpe is gone in that trade. You need his salary to match.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Grant can't guard 3s. He does have defensive value, but similar to Roco its more as a help defender, not one on one against wings. Grant doesn't rebound like a 4, he rebounds like a short PG. He is efficient offensively.

He definitely has value in a rotation, but he's sort of a quirky player that has odd strengths and many weaknesses to his game. For a reasonable salary he is great, but with rumors of him making $30million+ per season? Might end up being a player worth less than his contract like Nurk.

If Blazers want to contend they need a defending SF like Bridges or Brown. Siakam while good defensively is an awkward fit next to Grant.
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If he can’t guard the perimeter and can’t rebound what good is he?
 
BlazerBender said:
Id still do it.

Dame/Sharpe/Brown/Grant/Embiid would likely be favorites.
Thybulle, one of reddish or knox, Eubanks and Walker fill out the bench. (With a few holes to fill)
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It's fun to look at. But in no way would Philly do that if the #3 pick wasn't included. Getting Embiid could be done. Embiid for Nurk/Simons, and picks works . But not without the #3 and probably, at least 2 more 1st. involved in deal. Which leaves little for a Jaylen Brown Addition to be done.
 
Draft the BPA. That is my hope.

My priorities?

1) Do everything possible to support Lillard.....that does not ruin the future of the franchise. If he wants to go, try to deal him to somewhere he wants to go (other than the Fakers)
2) Do NOT trade Sharpe.
3) Do NOT trade any more future picks
4) If you are going to charge $10 for a hotdog, make it at least filling....ok?
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Then you & I are watching completely different Aytons.

He is no where near a top 4 center in the league.
He's better than Nurk, but not so much better that he's worth 2x the contract.
Ayton is probably in the top 12-16 range while Nurk is around 20-24.
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well, I'd start by saying that 5 are obviously better than Ayton: Jokic, Embiid, AD, Sabonis, Adebayo

Jaren Jackson is in a little different classification, but he's obviously better too. Myles Turner would be in that classification but for injuries

Even though together and by salary they've been downgraded, KAT & Gobert are both better, IMO

then you have a group of C's/bigs that arguably have more value and/or are better because of either age, impact, or contract:

Jarrett Allen
Evan Mobley
Wendall Carter Jr
Valanciunas
Nic Claxton
Jakob Poeltl
Walter Kessler
Ivica Zubac
Bobby Portis
Brooke Lopez

Ayton at 20M/year would rank toward the top of that list; Ayton at 34M/year ranks toward the bottom
 
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