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tykendo said:
I get what you're saying money wise, Ayton, at least so far, is not worth double the money. But i scoured the centers in the League. There aren't more than 15 , real centers with talent , out there. There are many teams that are playing with a PF as a center. Nurk is just outside the top 10. Which ain't great. If he could bring his "Beast Mode" every game, he'd be just outside the top 5. But dealing in reality, he's around 10 to 12. Go look. Real centers, they're aren't many anymore. I put Nurk in the Valanciunas , Myles Turner area. Turner is just as banged up,, and inconsistent.
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The 'traditional' center is definitely diminishing in value, but there's still a bunch of better players starting at C.

1- Jokic
2- Embiid

3- Sabonis


4- Davis
5- Bam
6- Jackson

7- Siakam
8- Porzingis
9- Gobert

10- Kessler
11- Allen
12- Horford

13- Vucevic
14- Turner
15- Ayton
16- Claxton

17- Valancunas
18- Nurk
19- Capela
20- Looney
21- Poeltl
22- Robinson

23- Gafford
24- Zubac
25- Carter Jr
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think if we really want to swing for the fences, the target has to be Embiid. If Harden is really leaving, that team is done. They don't have nearly enough talent around him to continue to win. I'm not in love with throwing everything at Philly, but pairing Embiid with Dame is the only player that would actually give us a legit shot at a ring.

Simons
Nurk
#3

That would give them Scoot or Miller. Simons is a young stud. Maybe we need to give them another pick but that's a pretty good haul for Embiid.
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Most likely the best they could get. That # 3 will be even more valuable by the time the draft gets here. Scoot will be nearing MJ by the time the hype is over late June.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Sadly we don't have enough money to match Embiid and Brown. I was trying to figure it out with Brown and Siakam and Siakam makes less money than Embiid.
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Natebishop3 said:
Those two players make almost $80 million together. How are you matching that?

Brown - $32 million next year
Embiid - $47 million next year

Nurk - $17 million
Simons - $24 million
Sharpe - $6.3 million

You're just a little over halfway there. How are you making up the other half?
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Simons matches Brown on his own. So it's everything else you need to add up to match Embiid

Nurk, Sharpe, Little, Knox, Keon. Close but probably need a little more. Cam Reddish could go out in a sign and trade, but then Philly would be hard capped or we need a 3rd team involved. I guess in this hypothetical Harden walked, so they'd likely be fine with hard cap and reddish making up the salary difference on an expiring.

Dame
Brown
Grant
Embiid

Yes that's a super exciting roster, probably worth mortgaging the future firsts and Shae/#3
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
The 'traditional' center is definitely diminishing in value, but there's still a bunch of better players starting at C.

1- Jokic
2- Embiid

3- Sabonis


4- Davis
5- Bam
6- Jackson

7- Siakam
8- Porzingis
9- Gobert

10- Kessler
11- Allen
12- Horford

13- Vucevic
14- Turner
15- Ayton
16- Claxton

17- Valancunas
18- Nurk
19- Capela
20- Looney
21- Poeltl
22- Robinson

23- Gafford
24- Zubac
25- Carter Jr
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Good list. I saw that as well, and didn't put Turner, Horford (c'mon CJ) , Gobert (completely one dimen.) , Siakam ( not a center, at all, and Nurk would back him down all day) ahead of Nurk. Nurk is in the 12 to 14 area.
 
Also not big on Porzingus as a center. More of a PF. If only Nurk could bring it every game.
 
Labinot41 said:
I admit i just watched YouTube highlights from Scoot, but i can tell you he has that dog in him that you can't teach. Rip City would love him if he falls to 3...
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He has it. But Dame re-wrote the book on dog. And his bite is as lethal as it's ever been.
 
Scoot seems to clearly be #2; I'll be shocked if Hornets pass on him.

I still really like Miller at #3.

If we are aiming to try and trade Ant and #3 to Boston - perhaps they don't mind Miller as much to fit better with Tatum/Ant. He's more NBA ready and can contribute more without the ball. He can shoot, defend, and pass.

However I'd suspect if we are aiming to trade Ant and #3 for Bridges - more likely Brooklyn (and most trade partners in general) would prefer Scoot over Miller.

Boston is unique in that they'd already have a lot of offense, and while Tatum is young they still want to win soon.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Then you & I are watching completely different Aytons.

He is no where near a top 4 center in the league.
He's better than Nurk, but not so much better that he's worth 2x the contract.
Ayton is probably in the top 12-16 range while Nurk is around 20-24.
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Agree to disagree but I do see your point on the contract. Just saw rumor Blazers thinking of trading 3 for Kat, personally rather have Ayton than Kat
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Scoot seems to clearly be #2; I'll be shocked if Hornets pass on him.

I still really like Miller at #3.

If we are aiming to try and trade Ant and #3 to Boston - perhaps they don't mind Miller as much to fit better with Tatum/Ant. He's more NBA ready and can contribute more without the ball. He can shoot, defend, and pass.

However I'd suspect if we are aiming to trade Ant and #3 for Bridges - more likely Brooklyn (and most trade partners in general) would prefer Scoot over Miller.

Boston is unique in that they'd already have a lot of offense, and while Tatum is young they still want to win soon.
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I'm not sure they are. I still think Bridges , or Siakam bring more to the table. That contract Brown wants is too much for what you get. If he was so good defensively, why is Jimmy going off. Brown isn't good enough offensively, to warrant a super max IMO.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
Agree to disagree but I do see your point on the contract. Just saw rumor Blazers thinking of trading 3 for Kat, personally rather have Ayton than Kat
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Thank God most of these are just fan pushed malarkey. I don't want Pouty KAT. Ayton is OK, but he sure as hell needs to get better, and he has some pout in him too. OG is a pouter as well. We want intense MF'ers. No cupcakes please.
 
Ok another thought I had.... if Boston is getting Brown and #3 they'd also free up some salary. Maybe they'd explore Ayton trade ideas.

Philly wouldn't care about acquiring Nurk in an Embiid trade; they'd only want young assets. Phoenix wants more depth than Ayton, Nurk and others make sense there.

Trade 1 Blazers acquire Brown - Boston acquires Ant & #3

Trade 2 Blazers acquire Embiid - 6ers acquire Nurk, Sharpe, every Blazers filler contract, 4 unprotected firsts

Trade 3 Boston acquires Ayton sends out ???
Trade 3 Phoenix acquires Nurk and backups
Trade 3 6ers acquire ?

Not really certain exactly the pieces that would be in that last part - but there are needs from all 4 teams being met with all of these moves
 
tykendo said:
On that one, me too. But, i'd rather have Siakam, or Bridges than that pick.
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Plus you still have the future draft capital to add real supporting pieces. I sure would like to see Jae Crowder added as well in FA.
 
I still think a lot hinges on who the Hornets take.

If it's Scoot, I think Miller could still work with Dame's timeline. He reminds me of Keegan Murray. He can step in right away and contribute.

If the Hornets take Miller, I think we have a major decision to make.

Do we:
  1. Trade the pick.
  2. Keep the pick and trade Simons.
  3. Keep the pick and trade Dame.
  4. Keep the pick and not trade any of our guards (I hate this so much.)
 
So part 1 of this trade would be agreed at the draft - Simons and #3 for Jaylen Brown, but as normally happens it won't be executed until July in case more is added. Then Blazers give #23 to Chicago with as many seconds needed for them to give us back 2024 protected pick. Harden agrees to go to Houston at the start of free agency. Then all these teams agree to structure the trade as this;

Celtics: Simons, Ayton, #3
76ers: Sharpe, Watford, Jabari Walker, salary filler (Muscala, Knox, Keon) Four first round picks (2024 2026 2028 2030) from the Blazer all unprotected
Suns: Nurkic, Robert Williams, Nassir Little
Blazers: Embiid, Jaylen Brown

6ers would also free up an additional $27.7 million in cap space - so in addition to Harden leaving, Shape, Four 1st, they can gain assets with cap space
Celts add $9.6 million salary and Blazers add $15.8 million

Makes a lot of sense for all these teams. Blazers still have unprotected swaps available to give out in 2025, 2027, 2029 if you feel any of above teams need additional assets to complete these trades.

Blazers roster;

Dame
Brown
Grant
Embiid

Cronin would have a ton of work to add a 5th starter and fill out the bench. But this is likely the best 3/4 player core in the league next year.
 
Labinot41 said:
And he's also almost 33. Just saying
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But he's like a fine wine. There's plenty of time after he retires to go all young. Sharpe will still be young. Very Young (25 -26) , a potential decade more of top play. Of course Sharpe needs to develop to that Kobe-esqe level 1st.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I still think a lot hinges on who the Hornets take.

If it's Scoot, I think Miller could still work with Dame's timeline. He reminds me of Keegan Murray. He can step in right away and contribute.

If the Hornets take Miller, I think we have a major decision to make.

Do we:
  1. Trade the pick.
  2. Keep the pick and trade Simons.
  3. Keep the pick and trade Dame.
  4. Keep the pick and not trade any of our guards (I hate this so much.)
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Agreed, Miller would make more sense just running back the current Blazers roster as is with an MLE signing. Scoot doesn't make much sense to pair with a DameAnt lead team.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
So part 1 of this trade would be agreed at the draft - Simons and #3 for Jaylen Brown, but as normally happens it won't be executed until July in case more is added. Then Blazers give #23 to Chicago with as many seconds needed for them to give us back 2024 protected pick. Harden agrees to go to Houston at the start of free agency. Then all these teams agree to structure the trade as this;

Celtics: Simons, Ayton, #3
76ers: Sharpe, Watford, Jabari Walker, Salary filler (Muscala, Knox, Keon) Four first round picks (2024 2026 2028 2030) from the Blazer all unprotected
Suns: Nurkic, Robert Williams, Nassir Little
Blazers: Embiid, Jaylen Brown

6ers would also free up an additional $27.7 million in cap space - so in addition to Harden leaving, Shape, Four 1st, they can gain assets with cap space
Celts add $9.6 million salary and Blazers $15.8 million

Makes a lot of sense for all these teams. Blazers still have unprotected swaps available to give out in 2025, 2027, 2029 if you feel any of above teams need additional assets to complete these trades.

Blazers roster;

Dame
Brown
Grant
Embiid
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You really went after it. Pretty damn cool. But that's a lot of players to the Sixers. Can they fit that in? Not so sure. You can't just drop them like in Football.
 
tykendo said:
You really went after it. Pretty damn cool. But that's a lot of players to the Sixers. Can they fit that in? Not so sure. You can't just drop them like in Football.
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Thanks.

Yes 76ers can drop them and there's no limit to how many they can acquire in the offseason. They would have a ton of cap space, so I think they'd be fine eating a couple of those salary filler expiring contracts. Would be a bit like the Blazers acquiring Pippen from the Rockets back in the day. Watford or Walker could be routed to the Suns instead as they are rumored to be very interested in depth with an Ayton trade.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Agreed, Miller would make more sense just running back the current Blazers roster as is with an MLE signing. Scoot doesn't make much sense to pair with a DameAnt lead team.
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Scoot makes just as much sense as Brandon Miller to me.
The Blazers already have a Brandon Miller. Jerami Grant.
Scoot is a mid-range shooter who pushes the pace and passes the ball extremely well. There is nobody similar to Scoot on the Blazer roster.
Scoot would solve the problem of lack of full-court play and ball movement in the half-court offense.
Scoot would also be able to unlock the full potential of Shaedon Sharpe. Watford will never be a starter, and Dame and Ant are either unable or not interested in throwing the ball in the air for Sharpe.
 
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