We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities. (2 Viewers)

[Predator]

No one move is going to take a lottery team and make them a contender. It's going to take a trade (or two), quality signing (or two), and proper use of later draft picks (or two) to fill out a roster.

Brown/Bridges + Grant is A LOT better than say Aminu & Harkless though. And it's harder to fill out the top of a roster than it is the bench.

What you just described is a multi-year process...

Not very different than the multi-year process of waiting for a couple of top picks to develop into meaningful players...

That's part of why I said that if I were GM and Dame requested a trade, unless I got a knock-my-socks-off offer, I'd consider refusing it and tell him to lace em up.

 

[illmatic99]

Dame just shared on his IG story someone hitting a game winning 3 against Wemby's team. What could it mean?

Nothing. The guy who hit the shot is his friend from the Bay Area.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Hmm what does SA have that we want? I don't see much. Keldon Johnson is not as good as advertised.

 

[KingSpeed]

friendly reminder, that we were one of the worst teams this year after the first 10 games and we had once again one of the worst defenses in the league. We are not one "trade #3 for an All Star level type player" away from contention, we are four steps away. We trade #3 for Brown or Siakam or whatever, then what? Instead of let's say 40 wins, we win 44 games, does that really make that much difference? Please i want to know what does step 2, 3 and 4 look like after we trade the pick? that we can say in October, yes the Blazers are definitely a Contender

In 2012-13, we were 33-49
Then we added RoLo, Mo, and Trob
In 2013-14, we started 24-5 (best in NBA) and finished 54-28.

A couple little tweaks to a roster can make a huge difference if they’re the right tweaks. Same with adding Curry/Kanter/Hood and going from swept in first round to WCF

 

[PCmor7]

Hmm what does SA have that we want? I don't see much. Keldon Johnson is not as good as advertised.

Start with their unprotected 1R pick next year.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Start with their unprotected 1R pick next year.

Sure but the main target needs to be a current NBA player. Otherwise, we might as well gamble on keeping #3 because Pop won't tank again without a pick.
They could add a couple of vets to contend for the play in game and we would be screwed.

 

[KingSpeed]

Just a completely awesome sentence. So very, very true. Trades are every bit the crap shoot as drafting, but drafting in the top three typically has a very good outcome. Also, if you miss, the financial strain is much less as well as the assets offered up in the trade for the veteran. Well done.

I think what we’re aiming for is what the Celtics did in 2007. Trade top 5 pick for Ray Allen. Trade young promising talent (Big Al) for KG. All while keeping their aging franchise player (Pierce). Then they fleshed out roster with Posey, PJ Brown, etc.

 

[PCmor7]

Sure but the main target needs to be a current NBA player. Otherwise, we might as well gamble on keeping #3 because Pop won't tank again without a pick.
They could add a couple of vets to contend for the play in game and we would be screwed.

I meant to be kidding with that. After I posted it, I was going to add "All Tim Duncan accomplished."

There's nothing on their current roster that would be worth trading this pick to them with the possible aside of the Blazers being confirmed to get the big European C expected to go first next year, and even that might not be enough.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I think what we’re aiming for is what the Celtics did in 2007. Trade top 5 pick for Ray Allen. Trade young promising talent (Big Al) for KG. All while keeping their aging franchise player (Pierce). Then they fleshed out roster with Posey, PJ Brown, etc.

The equivalent would be the Blazers acquiring two of Embiid, Bridges, Brown, or Siakam. Would probably have to send out all 3 of #3, Ant, Sharpe, plus possibly additional unprotected picks.

I like that more than just sending out #3 for Siakam, which doesn't make much sense when we're keeping Sharpe and can't immediately contend.

But sending out all that youth has a heck of a lot of risk long term.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Not interested in helping the Spurs start their next dynasty.

They could package 100 picks with any combo of their putrid roster and it’s still a no.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Not interested in helping the Spurs start their next dynasty.

They could package 100 picks with any combo of their putrid roster and it’s still a no.

Yeah if it's pick 8 or something maybe you do it for multiple future firsts.

But not a top3 pick when there's three #1 pick level talents.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Not interested in helping the Spurs start their next dynasty.

They could package 100 picks with any combo of their putrid roster and it’s still a no.

Just for discussion purposes, at one point some have liked both SF: Keldon Johnson and PF: Jeremy Sochan
And we have also had discussions about Scoots limitations. So could it be a smart move for the future? We still would have everyone else on the roster to trade or keep.

 

[wizenheimer]

Agreed; even the Ant detractors have to admit he provided some key offense last year. .

Ant had the 2nd highest salary and played 2nd most minutes, but, among constant and often rotation players, he was:

8th in offensive rating
12th in defensive rating
5th in PER (cumulative connection to total minutes)
8th in TS%
9th in FT Rate
13th in rebound rate
3rd in assist rate
13th in steal rate
6th in winshares (being 2nd in usage & minutes but 6th in winshares is not good)
9th in winshares/48
13th in DBPM
7th in BPM
6th in Value Over Replacement (cumulative stats dependent on minutes)

Ant brings to the table good perimeter shooting, decent handles, and at best, average court vision. He offsets that with quite a bit of tunnel vision and ball dominance, and absolutely terrible defense. What he adds in offense is more than offset by what he subtracts in defense. If he's not hitting his shots he's not providing much of anything else. Net negative.

meaning: Ant is quite replaceable, maybe just with a better fit. Maybe just with Sharpe. It wouldn't take much to replace what Ant provides, except for maybe the occasional high-volume hot streak in games. But simple consistent good defense would replace that over a season

 

[Wizard Mentor]

This is the type of trade we need.

"The Washington Bullets acquired veteran point guard Rod Strickland and forward Harvey Grant Monday night from the Portland Trail Blazers in exchange for forward Rasheed Wallace and guard Mitchell Butler"

So, you think we should trade Dame for Ja

 

[Pinwheel1]

So, you think we should trade Dame for Ja

Ha, no I was thinking more of Ant (and #3) for a 22-year-old long forward who can score and play D.

 

[julius]

Can anyone dumb down which picks the Blazers got from the GP2 trade? I read what basketballreference said, but it's greek to me.

 

[Natebishop3]

Can anyone dumb down which picks the Blazers got from the GP2 trade? I read what basketballreference said, but it's greek to me.

I'm just curious what we're going to do with all those picks

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Can anyone dumb down which picks the Blazers got from the GP2 trade? I read what basketballreference said, but it's greek to me.

I think we only have 2 of them left. One of the 2nd rounders I heard was not likely to convey and two were sent for Thybulle.

 

[Labinot41]

It looks like Houston is done with their rebuild and is trying to win now. So that makes them a possible destination for a potential Dame trade, they sure have many young players and a lot of picks to trade

 

[HansenYang]

Can anyone dumb down which picks the Blazers got from the GP2 trade? I read what basketballreference said, but it's greek to me.

This is a better resource for picks:
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
and
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/team


Atlanta '23
Atlanta '24 - (Portland already had partial control of the pick with protections - Atlanta removed all protections now)
Atlanta '25 - (Portland only gets it if Atlanta's pick is 31-40 - otherwise it goes to OKC.)
Memphis '26 - (Portland only gets it if Memphis' pick is 43-60 - otherwise it goes to Utah.)
GSW '28

The Hart trade, Portland gave up
'27 - Better of NOP and POR will go to CHA. The worst of the two will go to POR.
Portland '29 - Goes to PHI

 

[wizenheimer]

Can anyone dumb down which picks the Blazers got from the GP2 trade? I read what basketballreference said, but it's greek to me.

the trade occurred on 2/9/2023, so look for that date in the boxes below








there you go...that should clear things right up in your mind...right? easy-peasy

 

[blazerkor]

It looks like Houston is done with their rebuild and is trying to win now. So that makes them a possible destination for a potential Dame trade, they sure have many young players and a lot of picks to trade

Such a weird tweet. Who the fuck has ever worried about stopping PatBev from doing anything but getting away with constantly fouling without getting called for it? The dude is a journeyman who belongs on the bench of a team that doesn't mind his obnoxious behavior. As for the beard... he's a very talented dude but like Russ, I think his huge stats rarely equal big wins. Harden has had way better rosters than the one he (and I guess that scrub PatBev) would have in Houston and he didn't win a lot with those rosters.

 

[Predator]

Ant had the 2nd highest salary and played 2nd most minutes, but, among constant and often rotation players, he was:

8th in offensive rating
12th in defensive rating
5th in PER (cumulative connection to total minutes)
8th in TS%
9th in FT Rate
13th in rebound rate
3rd in assist rate
13th in steal rate
6th in winshares (being 2nd in usage & minutes but 6th in winshares is not good)
9th in winshares/48
13th in DBPM
7th in BPM
6th in Value Over Replacement (cumulative stats dependent on minutes)

Ant brings to the table good perimeter shooting, decent handles, and at best, average court vision. He offsets that with quite a bit of tunnel vision and ball dominance, and absolutely terrible defense. What he adds in offense is more than offset by what he subtracts in defense. If he's not hitting his shots he's not providing much of anything else. Net negative.

meaning: Ant is quite replaceable, maybe just with a better fit. Maybe just with Sharpe. It wouldn't take much to replace what Ant provides, except for maybe the occasional high-volume hot streak in games. But simple consistent good defense would replace that over a season

buT whEn hE waS a lEad GuArd

 

[blazerfan11]

It looks like Houston is done with their rebuild and is trying to win now. So that makes them a possible destination for a potential Dame trade, they sure have many young players and a lot of picks to trade

Orlando has some good young players and all their picks. Two first-round picks in 2023. They are in a better stage than Houston is.

 

[Natebishop3]

Hmmmm..... Houston......

They have some nice pieces.... Eason, Sengun, the 4th pick.... a bunch of other picks as well... they could put together a nice package for Dame.

 

[blazerfan11]

Hmmmm..... Houston......

They have some nice pieces.... Eason, Sengun, the 4th pick.... a bunch of other picks as well... they could put together a nice package for Dame.

I'd much rather have Franz Wagner from Orlando.

 

[Strenuus]

It looks like Houston is done with their rebuild and is trying to win now. So that makes them a possible destination for a potential Dame trade, they sure have many young players and a lot of picks to trade

Themselves.

 

[James lamphear]

I see a lot trade ideas what if the other 29 other teams don't want the 3rd pick to force Dame asking for a trade has anybody thought about that situation. Teams might try to force Dame and the blazers to end up forcing either Dame saying he wants out that's real good possible.

 

[Strenuus]

I see a lot trade ideas what if the other 29 other teams don't want the 3rd pick to force Dame asking for a trade has anybody thought about that situation. Teams might try to force Dame and the blazers to end up forcing either Dame saying he wants out that's real good possible.

That's a long con game and I don't think some teams want to help gift wrap a top 75 all time player to someone.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'd much rather have Franz Wagner from Orlando.

Orlando doesn't have nearly as many picks. And the 4th is worth more than the 6th and 11th.



If you get Scoot at 3, you trade Simons. If you get Miller, you keep Simons and send out Nurk.

But you could go into next season with:
Scoot
Sharpe
Eason
Smith Jr
Sengun

And then with the 4th you take Amen Thompson. We have a ton of young talent and picks to start our rebuild.