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illmatic99 said:
thanks for the thoughtful response. i will respectfully disagree.
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You’re free to do so. I was ready to refute a Isaac Okoro comparison but I can’t find any official combine measurements for him. I see his height around the draft as 6’6, but not sure if that’s in shoes or barefoot—but he looks small in the NBA. Maybe we’ll have to see him side by side, but he looks considerably bigger and can pass the ball. As long as he can get stronger, he will be considerably better driving to the basket than Okoro.

I don’t agree with the MCW comparison at all, but I can understand the concern and see the where you are drawing the similarities. MCW didn’t nearly have the athleticism or frame of Amen, nor did he actually pass the ball well or actually defend. MCW was in a PG frame and maybe 2 inches taller. Amen is a legit SF sized player who can play PG.

I see the Dyson Daniels comparisons, which I can see as fair considering Daniels is only going into year 2. I’m a Dyson fan though, so maybe I see that comparison as a positive while you see it as a negative. What I will say to this is Amen has flashed much more playmaking upside and is more athletic. So I have more hopes Amen will be a star.
 
BankTeller said:
I see the Dyson Daniels comparisons, which I can see as fair considering Daniels is only going into year 2. I’m a Dyson fan though, so maybe I see that comparison as a positive while you see it as a negative. What I will say to this is Amen has flashed much more playmaking upside and is more athletic. So I have more hopes Amen will be a star.
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fun fact: Dyson Daniels is 2 months younger than the Thompson twins.
 
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Sure would be shitty to take the wrong twin then watch the other one dominate for a decade.
 
RR7 said:
I've watched nothing of the twins, have just looked at stats. Am curious why Amen is considered the more PG of the 2, Ausar the wing, and Ausar averaged(just slightly) more assists?
Everything about them is intriguing and, at the same time, horrifying, considering their age, the league they played in, and their MKG-esque shooting
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Yeah they sort of remind me of Sharpe last year in that they have incredible skills and potential but such huge question marks and lack of quality competition. Wouldn't be shocked if their All-stars or out of the league in a few years.
 
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LayneStaley said:
Sure would be shitty to take the wrong twin then watch the other one dominate for a decade.
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Trade Ant with a future first for another lottery pick and draft both?

Amen
Ausar
Sharpe

Would be super fun to watch, if they all hit their potential. Can't imagine how fun those fast breaks could be. Haven't seen that since Drexler and Kersey were throwing it down.

If the twins both flop then yeah we're probably screwed for the next decade.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Yeah they sort of remind me of Sharpe last year in that they have incredible skills and potential but such huge question marks and lack of quality competition. Wouldn't be shocked if their All-stars or out of the league in a few years.
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Shaedon was one of the youngest players in every level of competition that he played in. He also was recruited as the #1 player in his HS class after reclassifying to play a year above. Thompson was a 4 star recruit who played against comptetion as young as 16 while being 3-4 yrs older. He was #22 in his class.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Sharpe was a much much much better shooter.
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Correct, I didn't say it was the same skills. The twins are both much better passers and defenders. But it's very hard to evaluate any of them with so little quality competition.
 
this remains MY GUY in this draft if we insist on using the pick. Trade down and pick up some assets on the way and lock him into the Sharpe rookie year role and let him loose in year 2. Unless a legitimate star is available in trade, this is my choice of what we do.

Checks every single box for a high level prospect and is getting super underrated these days.





 
illmatic99 said:
this remains MY GUY in this draft if we insist on using the pick. Trade down and pick up some assets on the way and lock him into the Sharpe rookie year role and let him loose in year 2. Unless a legitimate star is available in trade, this is my choice of what we do.

Checks every single box for a high level prospect and is getting super underrated these days.





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I still don't feel Whitmore. He clearly seems like a step down from the talent that we could draft. I know people have explained to me that he is not Cam Reddish, but I still kind of see it as a floor. As a ceiling, I just kind of see big Gary Trent Jr.
 
illmatic99 said:
Shaedon was one of the youngest players in every level of competition that he played in. He also was recruited as the #1 player in his HS class after reclassifying to play a year above. Thompson was a 4 star recruit who played against comptetion as young as 16 while being 3-4 yrs older. He was #22 in his class.
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That age difference is such a big deal. A player like Brandon Miller is playing almost exclusively against older guys (let alone someone like Scoop) while the Thompson twins were amongst the oldest in their league.

It doesn't mean that they can't be better than those who played against older guys at a higher level of competition, but personally it's a pretty big red flag that they couldn't be more dominant (shooting the ball, etc.) than they were.
 
theprunetang said:
I still don't feel Whitmore. He clearly seems like a step down from the talent that we could draft. I know people have explained to me that he is not Cam Reddish, but I still kind of see it as a floor. As a ceiling, I just kind of see big Gary Trent Jr.
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Whitmore is 2 years younger than the Thompson twins and plays against better competition. He profiles to me like a more explosive OG Anunoby.
 
Ed O said:
That age difference is such a big deal. A player like Brandon Miller is playing almost exclusively against older guys (let alone someone like Scoop) while the Thompson twins were amongst the oldest in their league.

It doesn't mean that they can't be better than those who played against older guys at a higher level of competition, but personally it's a pretty big red flag that they couldn't be more dominant (shooting the ball, etc.) than they were.
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Especially at ages 18-20. The development that happens at that age every year is massive so I see it as a massive red flag when guys age 19-20 are facing 16 yr olds. I still have nightmares of Shabazz Muhammad.
 
At first glance, Whitmore looks like a tweener to me. Under 6'6" (barefoot) and only a 6'9 wing span. He does have skills though.
 
illmatic99 said:
Whitmore is 2 years younger than the Thompson twins and plays against better competition. He profiles to me like a more explosive OG Anunoby.
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I still don't see it, but I do appreciate you putting in the effort to explain what you see in him. And I know you aren't alone in that. I'll never get contentious over him, because I'm still surface level on most of these kids. Maybe I just have yet to see that vision of him.
 
 
BankTeller said:
How much better do you think Amen is than Ausar? If the possibility was out there, would you rather have Ausar and Franz or just Amen?

In theory, Ausar has all the ability Amen has minus the flashy playmaking. Ausar’s looks like he has a tigher handle right now, but for sure can play off the ball and has a smoother stroke. Defensively, he can still be elite on and off ball. Franz playmaking is fairly good at a lower volume than Amen and you have the right to offer him an extension this summer or just wait till FA in 2025.
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I actually like Ausar better than Amen. I would do that trade all day long.
 
illmatic99 said:
Whitmore is 2 years younger than the Thompson twins and plays against better competition. He profiles to me like a more explosive OG Anunoby.
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Whitmore has been said by some of the Big Board creators to be the most athletic player from the college ranks.
Whitmore's height was the same as the Thompson Twins, 6' 5.75" , and he had the same standing reach, 8' 7.5".
The Thompson Twins have a bigger wingspan of 7 feet vs 6' 8.5" .
Whitmore is not only athletic but strong/robust at 235 lbs vs 214-218 lbs for the Twins. Whitmore has no trouble playing through contact, and often uses contact to get past a defender or defenders. That is not a strength of Amen Thompson or Brandon Miller, or even 248 lb. Jarace Walker, who prefers to shoot floaters.
Whitmore isn't good at passing, but did shoot 40% on catch-and-shoot 3-pointers, and he's great at knowing when to cut to the hoop. So there should be no problem playing off the ball.
Whitmore also has the athleticism to be an above-average defender.
 
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