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KingSpeed said:
Can’t know for sure unless you play him.
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You could say that about every NBA player.

When he's earned his minutes, he'll get an opportunity to show he's ready to be a starter on a competitive team. I hope he's at that point, but I'm not as confident as some.
 
cdub503 said:
I myself think theres no reason not to put sharpe in the starting line up at this point purely because we know simons doesnt work with dame that well and id rather force him more minutes (not that he wasnt going to get them anyways) and let him learn from mistakes, hes not pointless coming off the bench either but i think with his length/height hes a better fit with dame. im in the boat of putting Ant in the second unit and let him take the reigns of that, if we end up getting/taking scoot trade ant and nurk for a SF/C upgrade or ones that work better and let scoot take the second unit. if dame is unhappy with using the pick instead of trading it for vets then trade him too i suppose even though i dont want to. I just think that risking a trade for MOST vets for the 3 (or any lotto pick really) is just too risky because there is no guarantee that it will work either and then said vet leaves after a year or two because their contract is up and were stuck with our pickle in our hand.

As far as what we should do with the 3# pick, for whatever reason i am more high on one of the thompson twins (I keep getting them mixed up but probably the more athletic one with the broken jumper, but cool with either) than i am anyone else -- probably because i like their intangible stats the most and the idea of having someone whos a point forward and known for defense and good work ethic -- id feel fine with scoot, but he feels short and i know everyone is really high on him i just think that im sick of smaller guards who dont defend well to a point and want length and height, and for whatever reason im unexcited about miller not sure why at all but i just feel meh about him from everything i have read/seen. if I had to list them out itd probably go 1. Thompson twin (1) 2. Scoot 3. thompson twin (2) and then miller.

So with that in mind, I am ok with trading down for more picks in this draft in the lotto, but not for (most) vets. So, i would imagine we would have to trade back a few spots to not "waste" a pick on one of the twins to whoever in the top 4-7 wants scoot/miller and try to get whatever other picks (orlando 6/11, indiana 7/26/29 ECT.) we can off of them, if it can include a younger player that can make us better now IE Franz, Eason, Duren and we can throw in nurk or ant in for the swap too great. Then after fill the holes with whatever other vets we can via trade if we havent traded ant/nurk with the lesser draft picks (outside lotto) if we need sweetners. Im in the mode of get better and win now without sacrificing our future post dame, if post dame is now because we go somewhat young or if thats when he retires as a blazer. I want him to win a championship here and yeah itd be nice if it was in his prime because maybe he could go for more than just one, but the story of dame surviving multiple rebuilds/refreshes and taking the youngins to the promised land and staying true to portland sounds like an awesome one. If he wants to try and go elsewhere to do it and not wait around i get that too, but i hope he can see that there are some bright stars in the draft even outside of wemby and that while vet help is always needed the young guys can still put quality minutes together if he doesnt want to fuck around and find out, i dont blame him but i hope he does end up staying for it and if not, it just means more prospects coming back either now or in the future. Risky to trade down especially if everyone says scoot is basically a guarantee all star, but i think a thompson twin fits better with our team and is still good, and if it nets us more assets that are good than im more for that, than scoot and i just hope it doesnt bite us in the ass....
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Overall, I like the post.

The first point you make it weak, as I can think of a few reasons Sharpe shouldn't start. Does that mean I think he's no good or can't ever be a star? Absolutely not. If the goal is to tank and be a developmental team again next year, then by all means, start the kid and play him a lot!
 
Tince said:
You could say that about every NBA player.

When he's earned his minutes, he'll get an opportunity to show he's ready to be a starter on a competitive team. I hope he's at that point, but I'm not as confident as some.
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He can earn his minutes in practice. Did Dame earn his starting spot on the floor?
 
KingSpeed said:
He can earn his minutes in practice. Did Dame earn his starting spot on the floor?
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He certainly could earn his starting minutes in practice and then validate them in the games. He didn't last year, but that doesn't mean he's a failure. We'll see if this year is different.

I hope he proves he's ready to be the #1 option next year on a championship contender. That would be awesome!
 
So now we're arguing that what we saw with Sharpe was somehow not real? Seriously, WTF?
 
bemac said:
So now we're arguing that what we saw with Sharpe was somehow not real? Seriously, WTF?
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What did we see?

I think the debate is if he's proven that he's ready to be a starting on a contending team and if he's better than Ant. We certainly haven't seen that to date.

He was good as a starter on a 2-8 team down the stretch. He had no talent around him, he played well, and there was zero pressure to produce, so not exactly a fair sample size.
 
Tince said:
What did we see?

I think the debate is if he's proven that he's ready to be a starting on a contending team and if he's better than Ant. We certainly haven't seen that to date.

He was good as a starter on a 2-8 team down the stretch. He had no talent around him, he played well, and there was zero pressure to produce, so not exactly a fair sample size.
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I agree. I love Sharpe but (while I don't have the numbers in front of me) I suspect that Ant has had better 10 game stretches in his career than Sharpe did. He didn't do it when he was 19, but he's been a streaky, explosive offensive player and he's still young.

He has also been, to date, inadequate as a starter to bring the Blazers into contention. That failure doesn't mean he will not someday do it, or that in the right spot he could not contribute on a good team (look at some of the stiffs on Miami's team), but at this point in his career, he needs to be in a good situation.

That's even more true for Sharpe based on what he's done since high school... excelling in a small number of garbage time regular season games is much better than NOT doing that, but it's not anything approaching competence at a level this team would need from a starting wing in order to compete. Like with Ant, he could get there some day (and he might be more likely to, based on his age and size) but for 2023-24, I need to see more before I have confidence that what we saw at the end of the year is where he's actually at in his career and that it wasn't a premature blip.
 
Tince said:
Overall, I like the post.

The first point you make it weak, as I can think of a few reasons Sharpe shouldn't start. Does that mean I think he's no good or can't ever be a star? Absolutely not. If the goal is to tank and be a developmental team again next year, then by all means, start the kid and play him a lot!
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Maybe i just have high hopes for the kid, He doesnt seem like the type to fuck around during the summer. I imagine/hope he will have a significant improvement come the start of the season. And if ant is out like a lot of people here assume he will be, unless we trade for another star SG pretty sure sharpe is going to be our starter regardless but time will only tell....
 
Ed O said:
I agree. I love Sharpe but (while I don't have the numbers in front of me) I suspect that Ant has had better 10 game stretches in his career than Sharpe did. He didn't do it when he was 19, but he's been a streaky, explosive offensive player and he's still young.

He has also been, to date, inadequate as a starter to bring the Blazers into contention. That failure doesn't mean he will not someday do it, or that in the right spot he could not contribute on a good team (look at some of the stiffs on Miami's team), but at this point in his career, he needs to be in a good situation.

That's even more true for Sharpe based on what he's done since high school... excelling in a small number of garbage time regular season games is much better than NOT doing that, but it's not anything approaching competence at a level this team would need from a starting wing in order to compete. Like with Ant, he could get there some day (and he might be more likely to, based on his age and size) but for 2023-24, I need to see more before I have confidence that what we saw at the end of the year is where he's actually at in his career and that it wasn't a premature blip.
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Waiting for a talent to “prove” themselves when they have shown what they can do when they are essentially given the keys seems wrong.

The Blazers are in no position to play it safe/conservative. We aren’t contenders and acting safe sure isn’t going to make us contenders.

Start Sharpe. I have no been quiet that I’m not an Ant fan but if he was willing to be our bench scorer, I’m ok with that; just not the pretending he is a PG. He is an under-sized SG who doesn’t play defense but when he is on, can score bunches.

If playing it safe is all we do, we may as well still have Olshey/Stotts. We may become (again) playoff material, but only in a playoff fodder level of playoff material.

Grant was a “safe” move. Yeah, he’s better than what we’ve had but doesn’t move the needle.

Take chances and risks. Go big or go home. Just don’t leave us where we’ve been - perpetually mediocre unless we are actively tanking.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Looking at the Mock Draft they included, I would not entertain it. I like 1-5
Having said that I still would give them #3 for Wagner and 6. That way we get a versatile 6'10" 220 forward and whoever we draft for the future at #6
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That would be huge for us. Wagner has a knack for passing the ball, can score really well for a second year player, and can defend well. Certainly a guy I can see here for at least five years.
 
Talking about whether rookies can contribute; noticed that Braun, who was drafted in the 20's, is making an impact in the finals.
 
3 and Simons for 6 and 11 and Wagner or 3 and Nas for 6, 11 and WC jr. Make salaries work

Use 6, 11 and something to get another player like Siakam

Sign Naz Reid

Theoretically

Dame
Sharpe
Wagner
Siakam
Nurk


Dame
Sharpe
Grant
Siakam
Nurk

guys like Grant, Carter, Reid, Thybulle, Reddish whatever off the bench. Need to replace Nurk in line up, but probably need to trade him to do that
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Magic open to moving No. 6 and 11 picks to move into Top 5?
There’s a belief around the league that Orlando is open to moving the No. 6 and No. 11 picks if the Magic can move into the 3-5 range.
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I've been hoping for something like that from the start. We are not 1 player away either in a trade, or from who we get in the Draft. Miller should be a star, but I don't see Superstar that leads you to a title. Scoot could be a media superstar, but again, how many short, ball dominant, scoring PG's lead their team to an NBA Title.

So if we could get a couple of lengthier pieces to put with Sharpe, etc, I would completely entertain that. Ausar or Hendricks at #6 and maybe Lively or Leonard Miller (bit of a reach) at 11 depending on whom you took at #6.
 
Tince said:
What did we see?

I think the debate is if he's proven that he's ready to be a starting on a contending team and if he's better than Ant. We certainly haven't seen that to date.

He was good as a starter on a 2-8 team down the stretch. He had no talent around him, he played well, and there was zero pressure to produce, so not exactly a fair sample size.
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Quality Post Alert
 
Just trying to figure this place out…..I remember reading how Kevin Love’s Minnesota numbers didn’t mean shit….. Westbrook in clutch numbers in meaningful games didn’t mean shit…..yet this kid plays well in basically glorified summer league games and that’s fantastic…..why…..because he has a pinwheel on his jersey?
 
TBpup said:
I've been hoping for something like that from the start. We are not 1 player away either in a trade, or from who we get in the Draft. Miller should be a star, but I don't see Superstar that leads you to a title. Scoot could be a media superstar, but again, how many short, ball dominant, scoring PG's lead their team to an NBA Title.

So if we could get a couple of lengthier pieces to put with Sharpe, etc, I would completely entertain that. Ausar or Hendricks at #6 and maybe Lively or Leonard Miller (bit of a reach) at 11 depending on whom you took at #6.
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my only concern is you rarely get opportunity to draft top 3 and your chances of that player being a superstar go way up so we’d be taking huge risk in giving up a player that could be our superstar
 
1 Eye Jack said:
my only concern is you rarely get opportunity to draft top 3 and your chances of that player being a superstar go way up so we’d be taking huge risk in giving up a player that could be our superstar
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Agreed. Might be a star/superstar. But I'm wanting a superstar who can also from a historical standpoint, lead your team to a NBA title.
 
TBpup said:
I've been hoping for something like that from the start. We are not 1 player away either in a trade, or from who we get in the Draft. Miller should be a star, but I don't see Superstar that leads you to a title. Scoot could be a media superstar, but again, how many short, ball dominant, scoring PG's lead their team to an NBA Title.

So if we could get a couple of lengthier pieces to put with Sharpe, etc, I would completely entertain that. Ausar or Hendricks at #6 and maybe Lively or Leonard Miller (bit of a reach) at 11 depending on whom you took at #6.
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As we always say the draft is a crap shoot, but the decision should come down to who has the best chance to be the best player in the draft outside of Victor. Average players can be found elsewhere. We can always find x-lottery picks (we picked up 3 last season) So unless Ausar, Henricks, Lively, or LMiller can wind up as good as Scoot or BMiller then I lean toward keeping 3.

Now I did say earlier I would prefer Wagner and #6 for #3, so that might sound hypocritical, but the difference in my mind is that Franz is proven, and not as much of a question mark as the 4 examples you named.
 
TBpup said:
Agreed. Might be a star/superstar. But I'm wanting a superstar who can also from a historical standpoint, lead your team to a NBA title.
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do you think Scoot or Miller could potentially be that superstar? If so think we have to hang on to the pick. Personally feel like Scoot has that potential not sure Miller does so if Hornets take Scoot I would definitely consider the trade with Orlando.
 
Mediocre Man said:
3 and Simons for 6 and 11 and Wagner or 3 and Nas for 6, 11 and WC jr. Make salaries work

Use 6, 11 and something to get another player like Siakam

Sign Naz Reid

Theoretically

Dame
Sharpe
Wagner
Siakam
Nurk


Dame
Sharpe
Grant
Siakam
Nurk

guys like Grant, Carter, Reid, Thybulle, Reddish whatever off the bench. Need to replace Nurk in line up, but probably need to trade him to do that
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Are you getting this from your whispers?
 
I know the odds are that Orlando won't trade Wagner. But 6+11 for 3 isn't enough, and no combination of WCJ+6+11 is enough in my view

3 for 6 + Wagner would be my minimum. Orlando can keep 11
 
1 Eye Jack said:
do you think Scoot or Miller could potentially be that superstar? If so think we have to hang on to the pick. Personally feel like Scoot has that potential not sure Miller does so if Hornets take Scoot I would definitely consider the trade with Orlando.
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To me Scoot seems to have the higher ceiling and lower floor, mainly due to the fact that he's a guard and his shot is in question. Both could be superstars, Scoot is probably more likely to be an All-NBA player. Having said that, guards typically require more around them to dominate a playoff series.

A lot of risk is taking someone at #3. Not only do you have to hope they hit their potential, but then we are able to keep them into their prime. Dame's loyalty is the exception, not the rule.
 
THE HCP said:
Just trying to figure this place out…..I remember reading how Kevin Love’s Minnesota numbers didn’t mean shit….. Westbrook in clutch numbers in meaningful games didn’t mean shit…..yet this kid plays well in basically glorified summer league games and that’s fantastic…..why…..because he has a pinwheel on his jersey?
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Cronin literally said he's ready to be a starting 2 now.
 
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