We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities. (1 Viewer)

[illmatic99]

Health is obviously the biggest question but we can win close to 50 games if Ingram be on the floor 65+ times in the season with this lineup and the correct bench.

Dame
Sharpe
Ingram
Grant
?

 

[B-Roy]

Health is obviously the biggest question but we can win close to 50 games if Ingram be on the floor 65+ times in the season with this lineup and the correct bench.

Dame
Sharpe
Ingram
Grant
?

Honestly think Trey Murphy can be better than Ingram, and his salary allows you to do SO much more with the rest of the roster.

 

[Tince]

I just had a realization last night.

In 2005, we had the #3 pick in the draft. There were two point guard prospects projected in our range and everyone and anyone wanted to poke holes in their games or character. Two hours before the draft, John Nash and Steve Patterson decided to trade #3 to Utah for #6, #27, and a future first.

Let's not repeat history.

There are many examples of teams trading up in the draft that worked out well as well as ones where teams traded back in the draft and it worked out well. I would hope Cronin isn't using the 2005 draft to base a decision for the 2023 draft.

 

[illmatic99]

Honestly think Trey Murphy can be better than Ingram, and his salary allows you to do SO much more with the rest of the roster.

Dont think he has the playmaking chops as the main guy to be an allstar. Ingram brings you legit go-to guy in his prime now.

 

[illmatic99]

There are many examples of teams trading up in the draft that worked out well as well as ones where teams traded back in the draft and it worked out well. I would hope Cronin isn't using the 2005 draft to base a decision for the 2023 draft.

I mean. Ya obviously. We have a lot on the line this draft and a bad decision could set us back years.

 

[B-Roy]

Dont think he has the playmaking chops as the main guy to be an allstar. Ingram brings you legit go-to guy in his prime now.

I can see that, but I would bet on Sharpe taking the leap. One main concern I see with most targets is that Sharpe will likely get relegated to a 3&D role-player. I don't think he's being put in a position to succeed in that role.

Also Murphy means you can keep Simons, either as a 6th man or in a trade.

 

[RR7]

Portland In: Ingram, 6
Portland Out: 3, Simons

N.O. In: 3
Out: Ingram, 14

Orlando In: Simons, 14
Out: 6

I assume Orlando wants a little more? Have seen a lot think 11 for Simons is fair. Would 14 be enough to get from 11 to 6?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Since Zion has already agreed to an extension, he's not trade eligible until July 1.
His cap number for trading purposes is $33M

I think he is eligible, but like Swiss pointed out there is a poison pill:

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/11...lain in our,before the extension takes effect.

 

[illmatic99]

They also spoke at length about an Ingram for 3 pick idea

^ the Duncd on guys had the Ingram stuff first btw. We were discussing it like 30 pages ago.

 

[illmatic99]

I can see that, but I would bet on Sharpe taking the leap. One main concern I see with most targets is that Sharpe will likely get relegated to a 3&D role-player. I don't think he's being put in a position to succeed in that role.

Also Murphy means you can keep Simons, either as a 6th man or in a trade.

Still don't see anything to sway me into NOT trading for a 25 yr old wing who put up 25/6/6 last year.

 

[illmatic99]

Portland In: Ingram, 6
Portland Out: 3, Simons

N.O. In: 3
Out: Ingram, 14

Orlando In: Simons, 14
Out: 6

I assume Orlando wants a little more? Have seen a lot think 11 for Simons is fair. Would 14 be enough to get from 11 to 6?

I would do that even with 11 and not 6, especially if 14 can get routed our way too. In this draft, I see 11 + 14 > 6. Even more so in their trade value and lower rookie scale deals as well. Can Orlando absorb Ant outright?

 

[Predator]

Honestly think Trey Murphy can be better than Ingram, and his salary allows you to do SO much more with the rest of the roster.

Trey Murphy will never create his own shot like B.I. can, lol

But I do like Trey

 

[RR7]

I would do that even with 11 and not 6, especially if 14 can get routed our way too. In this draft, I see 11 + 14 > 6.

I was just trying to get one of the Thompson twins here in an upside swing/gamble ala Sharpe.

 

[illmatic99]

I was just trying to get one of the Thompson twins here in an upside swing/gamble ala Sharpe.

My upside swings are Hendricks/Whitmore but i see the intent.

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

I think he is eligible, but like Swiss pointed out there is a poison pill:

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/11...lain in our,before the extension takes effect.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-orleans-pelicans/zion-williamson-31558/
This says Trade Restriction until July 1.
Just like Dame has a Trade Restriction until July 10. 1-year after signing the extension.

 

[B-Roy]

Still don't see anything to sway me into NOT trading for a 25 yr old wing who put up 25/6/6 last year.

It's also the Pelicans less likely to trade Ingram than Murphy, at least in my eyes.

 

[Predator]

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Portland In: Ingram, 6
Portland Out: 3, Simons

N.O. In: 3
Out: Ingram, 14

Orlando In: Simons, 14
Out: 6

I assume Orlando wants a little more? Have seen a lot think 11 for Simons is fair. Would 14 be enough to get from 11 to 6?

I would probably try and find a way to do it for #11 instead and take Lively.

With Ingram I'm not as interested in Ausar/Whitmore at 6.

 

[Predator]

It's also the Pelicans less likely to trade Ingram than Murphy, at least in my eyes.

I don't think 'Dame' would be as moved by Murphy as B.I.

I love Murphy, but when teams throw doubles at Dame you can't throw it to him and say 'go win this for us'.

You can do that with B.I.

If Sharpe was B.I. level proven then I think that would change the equation a little bit.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

https://theanalyst.com/na/2023/04/l...iis-rise-has-helped-save-the-pelicans-season/

Trey Murphy put up 65% TS on 17% usage.

It's very similar to Mikal Bridges as a roleplayer in Phoenix:
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Murphy is 22.

Yes, this is intriguing. Made me check him out. Always thought Blazers should look for a guy who is just breaking out;
"Murphy became just the third player in NBA history to shoot 60% from two, 40% from the three-point line, and 90% on his free throw attempts in a year. He also became the youngest player to accomplish this at just 22 years of age. "
Wondering about his defense? "While he is not known as a defensive stopper, Murphy made tremendous strides in that area of his game. He was second on the team in steals (89) and second in blocked shots (43). His length and athleticism proved to be disruptive to opposing offenses. Along with the perimeter defense of Herb Jones, the Pelicans had the sixth-best defensive rank in the NBA. "
They got Ingram and Jones, could he be expendable?
https://www.si.com/nba/pelicans/basketball/trey-murphy-iii-and-star-in-the-making-for-the-pelicans

 

[Predator]

Yes, this is intriguing. Made me check him out. Always thought Blazers should look for a guy who is just breaking out;
"Murphy became just the third player in NBA history to shoot 60% from two, 40% from the three-point line, and 90% on his free throw attempts in a year. He also became the youngest player to accomplish this at just 22 years of age. "
Wondering about his defense? "While he is not known as a defensive stopper, Murphy made tremendous strides in that area of his game. He was second on the team in steals (89) and second in blocked shots (43). His length and athleticism proved to be disruptive to opposing offenses. Along with the perimeter defense of Herb Jones, the Pelicans had the sixth-best defensive rank in the NBA. "
They got Ingram and Jones, could he be expendable?
https://www.si.com/nba/pelicans/basketball/trey-murphy-iii-and-star-in-the-making-for-the-pelicans

I'm fairly positive they'd look to move Herb before Trey.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Okay I'm going to get flak for this but:

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Then Nurkic/14 to Indiana for Turner. Or Simons/Nurkic for Ayton. Just use whatever leftover assets you have to upgrade the center position and the bench.

Lillard/Simons?
Sharpe/Thybulle
Murphy/Little
Grant/Winslow
Turner or Ayton/Eubanks

Ayton at 30M is a terrible contract, but it's viable when you get a starting calibre wing with 2 years left on their rookie contract. Can also replace Murphy for Herb Jones, who is a better defender but much worse offensively and is up for a contract next year.

I guess this would need Scoot to drop to three to make this a possibility...

 

[B-Roy]

Yes, this is intriguing. Made me check him out. Always thought Blazers should look for a guy who is just breaking out;
"Murphy became just the third player in NBA history to shoot 60% from two, 40% from the three-point line, and 90% on his free throw attempts in a year. He also became the youngest player to accomplish this at just 22 years of age. "
Wondering about his defense? "While he is not known as a defensive stopper, Murphy made tremendous strides in that area of his game. He was second on the team in steals (89) and second in blocked shots (43). His length and athleticism proved to be disruptive to opposing offenses. Along with the perimeter defense of Herb Jones, the Pelicans had the sixth-best defensive rank in the NBA. "
They got Ingram and Jones, could he be expendable?
https://www.si.com/nba/pelicans/basketball/trey-murphy-iii-and-star-in-the-making-for-the-pelicans

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2023/2...y-iii-new-orleans-pelicans-analysis-breakdown

He’s also in the 84th percentile in the website’s Defensive Statistical Impact statistic [an events-creation metric that captures and combines possession-winning actions (steals, offensive, rebounds) with defensive efficiency (blocks, fouls) to act as a proxy for defensive athleticism and feel].

I'm sold on Murphy, even though I don't think it's gonna happen.

 

[Pinwheel1]

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-orleans-pelicans/zion-williamson-31558/
This says Trade Restriction until July 1.
Just like Dame has a Trade Restriction until July 10. 1-year after signing the extension.

What am I missing? Your link says : Trade Restriction: This player can be traded but has a Poison Pill restriction until Jul 01, 2023.

 

[tykendo]

Like a lot of people, i'm tired of this false narrative that the Blazers will have to give away every asset to improve only marginally, but a team like the Heat, Lakers, or Warriors can trade a Peanut Butter and Jelly sandwich and a bag of chips to be named later to pull off a huge move. F those punks.

 

[B-Roy]

I don't think 'Dame' would be as moved by Murphy as B.I.

I love Murphy, but when teams throw doubles at Dame you can't throw it to him and say 'go win this for us'.

You can do that with B.I.

If Sharpe was B.I. level proven then I think that would change the equation a little bit.

Need to have some conviction with stuff like this. There is enough there to where even if Murphy never improves any more he's still a super valuable starter - and the additional pieces you get along with his salary make building out the rest of the roster A LOT more viable.

Tl;DR:

Bet on Murphy
Bet on Sharpe
Bet on being able to fill out a more competitive 1-8

 

[B-Roy]

If 3 gets you Murphy + more, you still have Simons + whatever picks you get + our own picks to try and get another upgrade somewhere else.

 

[blazedanugz]

Out of all the players discussed….people are excited about Trey Murphy?

 

[Predator]

Need to have some conviction with stuff like this. There is enough there to where even if Murphy never improves any more he's still a super valuable starter - and the additional pieces you get along with his salary make building out the rest of the roster A LOT more viable.

Tl;DR:

Bet on Murphy
Bet on Sharpe
Bet on being able to fill out a more competitive 1-8

If you move the #3 pick, "a super valuable starter" isn't enough in my eyes.

You need a sure-fire thing, like Brandon Ingram.

 

[illmatic99]

Need to have some conviction with stuff like this. There is enough there to where even if Murphy never improves any more he's still a super valuable starter - and the additional pieces you get along with his salary make building out the rest of the roster A LOT more viable.

Tl;DR:

Bet on Murphy
Bet on Sharpe
Bet on being able to fill out a more competitive 1-8

NBA is a top heavy league. We've gone down the path of putting non stars next to Dame. We want to give up the most valuable trade asset we've had in Dame's career for a starter?

 

[wizenheimer]

my thoughts are:

* LOL at the Pels 'fleecing' Portland for CJ. They fleeced the Blazers so bad they are looking to sacrifice valuable assets to move up in the draft and take a PG. One full year of CJ being CJ will do that

* Trey Murphy is not nearly enough to leverage a 3rd pick. He's a weak rebounder and worse passer. He hasn't demonstrated any kind of efficient handles. And he's not a good defender. He's a very good shooter, but right now, he's one-dimensional and a 3rd pick has to yield more in a trade than that

* if the Pels aren't willing to entertain and Ingram trade, they shouldn't be trying to deal themselves into a trade for #2 or #3. They don't have any other asset with that kind of value

* if you read some of the Pels message boards, their fans want to move on from Zion and CJ. But CJ has little value and Zion can't stay healthy. No chance either is value enough to leverage a top-3 pick

* I like RR7's trade where Portland gets Ingram + #6 for Ant + 3. But I probably like it because it's a little too good for Portland. However, dropping down to #11 is pretty steep