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B-Roy said:
Siakam/Grant is such an awkward pairing. Bridges/Grant makes WAY more sense.
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I don't agree with the Siakam/Grant pairing being awkward. Why do you way that?

I love the idea of Bridges but Grant is such an asbismal rebounder - that I can't have him be the long-term solution at PF.

The best of all options would be a Bridges/Siakam front court.
 
All discussions are aided by perspective.

1) How many fans wanted to trade last years 1st round pick?
2) How many of those fans have changed their minds and are now excited about the future of that pick?
3) Is winning the most possible games each year...or winning a title....the most important?
4) Are all decisions regarding Dame made outside of his choice...or has he earned the right to have a say in things?
5) Do you see the Blazers through a lens of hope....or through a lens of how they have wronged you as a fan?

All of these....and more.... can change a disagreement, into merely a difference in perspective.
 
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WesleyMatthews said:
I'd trust Dame to get an "agreement" or "understanding" that he staying long term so that not really an issue.

Problem I see is more that Siakam is a clunky fit with Grant, close to 30, and probably doesn't get the Blazers close enough to contention now to give up that #3 pick upside.
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I was thinking they complement each other pretty well. Siakam is a solid 230, can create his own shot, pass, and is a decent rebounder. Grant is an excellent 3 pt shooter who can spread the floor for Dame, SS and Siakam.
 
e_blazer said:
Cracks me up that the age factor applies to Dame so strongly by those who want to trade him. Apparently this is not the case with Curry, LeBron or Durant, who are all older and have had more serious injuries, yet are viewed as essential to their team’s plans for contention.
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To be fair, they all have already won championships, and also might be overvalued by their teams (excepting LeBron, who is kind of impossible to overvalue)
 
BassPlaya said:
All discussions are aided by perspective.

1) How many fans wanted to trade last years 1st round pick?
2) How many of those fans have changed their minds and are now excited about the future of that pick?
3)
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I just don't think it's fans this time. All of the shit Dame has been saying out there tells you that Joe has agreed to move this pick for all star help in order to build a win now team around Dame. I think if he breaks his word on that, then Dame will ask out. I actually don't see Joe as a guy that would break his word on that unless he decides to tell Dame that the better direction for the team is a complete youth rebuild and they find a destination for Dame that will help that rebuild a lot.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
I don't agree with the Siakam/Grant pairing being awkward. Why do you way that?

I love the idea of Bridges but Grant is such an asbismal rebounder - that I can't have him be the long-term solution at PF.

The best of all options would be a Bridges/Siakam front court.
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Could the Blazers get a Bridges / Siakam front court?
 
blazerkor said:
Scoot makes no sense with Dame... I mean you seriously want to try another small guard next to Dame?!? Simons doesn't get you anywhere close to acquiring Siakam... not in matched salary or in value.
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But does he fit next to Sharpe when Dame sits, is injured, or retires? I say trade the pick, but Scoot coming off the bench is not horrible. He will only be 23 when Dame retires.
 
blazerkor said:
If it's Miller available at 3 then I could see this making sense. Our bench would be much weaker though. I honestly think you go all in on winning now with Dame or you trade Dame. These "split the baby" ideas are one thing in theory but I do not think they are what Joe and Dame have agreed to. I think Joe will shop our two firsts this year along with future firsts and anyone on the roster who isn't Dame, Shae and Jerami. If Joe can come up with a roster he sees as contending then he'll make the deals... if he can't he will tell Dame and they'll get him traded in a way that sets us up for a big time youth rebuild and gets Dame to a contending situation.
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Fair enough. I just disagree that your proposed lineup with KAT and OG is good. I'd consider it extremely unlikely to be a contending lineup. It would both fail in winning with Dame, and throw away our future. So I wouldn't do that.

Now I do see some upside in a KAT Dame pairing and would be curious how it would actually work. But I wouldn't risk the next 7 years of the franchise just to see it.
 
I just want to reiterate that WE GOT THE #3 PICK!!! We didn't get pushed back to 6, 7 or 8 like the odds would have suggested. We didn't get 4 where the big drop off in pre-draft value is supposed to be. We got the last pick in the very exclusive second tier of this draft. It's exciting and I can't wait to see what Joe gets done with it.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
From Portlands end I would not. He doesn't solve the defensive issues and this team is still not close to contending. If these are the type of offers for #3; keep the damn pick.
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Do they have a good defensive center they could include? That would be the only way.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
I don't agree with the Siakam/Grant pairing being awkward. Why do you way that?

I love the idea of Bridges but Grant is such an asbismal rebounder - that I can't have him be the long-term solution at PF.

The best of all options would be a Bridges/Siakam front court.
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Neither Siakam or Grant can guard the ball. The Blazers would still get killed at the point of attack. None of this group with Nurk can clean up the rim good enough like Gobert to make up for it.

Bridges or Brown could make sense with Grant. Siakam just doesnt - unless one of them turns into a PJ Tucker 5. Which as you say rebounding is already a concern with them at forward.

Yeah Grant has some abilities on defense, but his poor man defense and shitty rebounding makes it difficult to construct a great defensive forward duo. Now if you had defensive guards maybe that would be fine; but we have DameAnt with a still learning defense Sharpe.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
I think Dame and Scoot could work if Ant is traded. Doesn't make sense to have all three though.
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I honestly cannot believe that anyone that has been watching this team over the last 7 or 8 years thinks Dame with another small guard could work. It's mind boggling especially since we have Shae. I also can't believe people actually think we're keeping Dame and this pick. Dame has said that he's not interested and has said he is in constant contact with Joe. I am not saying it will be an idea that I have but this pick is going to get traded and this team is going to try and build a winner around Dame or they will decide that they can't and will move Dame. Then you might get to see if Scoot and Shae work.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I was thinking they complement each other pretty well. Siakam is a solid 230, can create his own shot, pass, and is a decent rebounder. Grant is an excellent 3 pt shooter who can spread the floor for Dame, SS and Siakam.
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Offensively I really like the pairing. The problem is all on the defensive end, which needs to be a major concern of roster construction if we are trying to contend with Dame's defense.
 
blazerkor said:
If it's Miller available at 3 then I could see this making sense. Our bench would be much weaker though. I honestly think you go all in on winning now with Dame or you trade Dame. These "split the baby" ideas are one thing in theory but I do not think they are what Joe and Dame have agreed to. I think Joe will shop our two firsts this year along with future firsts and anyone on the roster who isn't Dame, Shae and Jerami. If Joe can come up with a roster he sees as contending then he'll make the deals... if he can't he will tell Dame and they'll get him traded in a way that sets us up for a big time youth rebuild and gets Dame to a contending situation.
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I thought we couldn't shop future firsts with ours still being tied up with that Chicago deal?
 
blazerkor said:
I just don't think it's fans this time. All of the shit Dame has been saying out there tells you that Joe has agreed to move this pick for all star help in order to build a win now team around Dame. I think if he breaks his word on that, then Dame will ask out. I actually don't see Joe as a guy that would break his word on that unless he decides to tell Dame that the better direction for the team is a complete youth rebuild and they find a destination for Dame that will help that rebuild a lot.
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Well thats your opinion, I just don't see any reason to believe these are facts as opposed to fan speculation.

I also see it as possible Joe won't accept less in a trade than the #3 pick is worth. At least I desperately hope so. Masai is a very tough negotiator.

Now I do think the Blazers will explore to trade the pick for vet help, but what if none of the offers make sense? It would be stupid to just throw away the pick because Dame wants to win now, and the team doesn't give Dame the tools to win now.

Who knows, maybe Cronin really prefers to keep the pick, but he is going through a legit process of trying to give Dame a winner with it instead, but ultimately will lay out the reason to Dame why it doesn't make sense to trade it, and Dame will agree to wait and see how half the season goes.
 
Hoopguru said:
Got a text from a friend in Charlotte, he thinks Portland could trade up to #2 for the guy they want?
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Sure, give them a future second and the number 3 pick. Otherwise, let Charlotte make their pick. Sounds like they don't want the pick or to have to decide
 
blazerfan11 said:
Could the Blazers get a Bridges / Siakam front court?
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Certainly, trade Dame for Siakam and Sharpe with salary filler and #3 for Bridges.

Can they do it while keeping enough talent to contend now? Thats the much harder realistic idea to draft. I don't believe so but would love to be wrong.
 
blazerkor said:
I just want to reiterate that WE GOT THE #3 PICK!!! We didn't get pushed back to 6, 7 or 8 like the odds would have suggested. We didn't get 4 where the big drop off in pre-draft value is supposed to be. We got the last pick in the very exclusive second tier of this draft. It's exciting and I can't wait to see what Joe gets done with it.
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Yeah people forgot we had a 90% chance of not getting Wemby and get mad we didn't get him.

If I had a 90% chance of losing something I would not be pissed that I didn't win.
 
blazerkor said:
I just want to reiterate that WE GOT THE #3 PICK!!! We didn't get pushed back to 6, 7 or 8 like the odds would have suggested. We didn't get 4 where the big drop off in pre-draft value is supposed to be. We got the last pick in the very exclusive second tier of this draft. It's exciting and I can't wait to see what Joe gets done with it.
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The top3 prospects this year would be in line to be drafted #1 overall in many other years. So yes, its a great asset. Might be beetter to think of it as there is an alltime prospect in Wemba, with two #1 prospects in Scoot/Miller.

Blazers should hold on to it like a pot of gold unless they are very damn certain giving it up will lead to contending now.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Do they have a good defensive center they could include? That would be the only way.
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No they don't, Mitchell and Hartenstein are MLE guys not something you consider for #3 pick. Claxton would be one of the dream defensive center acquisitions, but even him I wouldn't consider the #3 pick. Claxton Randle Grant Ant/Sharpe Dame is not at the defensive level to contend, and is not a move away from it either.
 
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