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Mediocre Man said:
3 and Johnson for 5 and Duren

Then

5, Nurk and Ant for Siakam

Dame
Sharpe
Grant
Siakam
Duren
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How many 1st are you including with Nurk and Ant for Siakam? Toronto would want much more.
I would love to get Duren though in that swap. But they would really have to like who is at #3 to just move up 2 spots.
 
hard to believe anything I read or hear this time of the NBA year. It's a bullshit tsunami for the next month

I can believe that some front offices, including Portland's are fed up with Masai Ujiri and simply won't engage with the Raptors anymore. We've been hearing for essentially a year that many Raptor players are being shopped. We've also been hearing that the Raps are asking for a king's ransom plus more for any player they shop. Yet the roster is still pretty much the same...leading to the assumption that indeed Masai is demanding ridiculous prices for his players

for example, OG is absolutely NOT worth a 7th pick...not close. But apparently, at least according to rumor, Portland was engaged in trade talk where OG and #7 were the main parts, but Toronto was demanding more. If true...fuck those guys
 
wizenheimer said:
hard to believe anything I read or hear this time of the NBA year. It's a bullshit tsunami for the next month

I can believe that some front offices, including Portland's are fed up with Masai Ujiri and simply won't engage with the Raptors anymore. We've been hearing for essentially a year that many Raptor players are being shopped. We've also been hearing that the Raps are asking for a king's ransom plus more for any player they shop. Yet the roster is still pretty much the same...leading to the assumption that indeed Masai is demanding ridiculous prices for his players

for example, OG is absolutely NOT worth a 7th pick...not close. But apparently, at least according to rumor, Portland was engaged in trade talk where OG and #7 were the main parts, but Toronto was demanding more. If true...fuck those guys
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I don't understand how the GTJ/Powell trade was pretty even for both sides, with the Raps coming out ahead slightly I think. But now he's just trying to gouge everyone.
 
I feel like Masai has gotten very over rated. He brought the franchise a title, so I don't want to bash him horribly. Just seems like he's talked about(not here specifically) as a GM god that you never want to be negotiating with because he's going to rip you off but has made a good amount of head scratching trades himself.
 
RR7 said:
I feel like Masai has gotten very over rated. He brought the franchise a title, so I don't want to bash him horribly. Just seems like he's talked about(not here specifically) as a GM god that you never want to be negotiating with because he's going to rip you off but has made a good amount of head scratching trades himself.
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He sent a top-6-protected 2024 pick to San Antonio for Jakob Poeltl, who was on an expiring contract.
(Edit: Toronto also sent out their 2023 2nd round pick and their 2025 2nd round pick, and Khem Birch.)
Unless he is planning on the team to get really good or really bad that seems to be an overpay.
 
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blazerfan11 said:
He sent a top-6-protected 2024 pick to San Antonio for Jakob Poeltl, who was on an expiring contract.
Unless he is planning on the team to get really good or really bad that seems to be an overpay.
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Maybe he did that because Poeltl is "one of his guys", we saw how Olshey was in love with CJ and wouldn't have traded him for Lebron, Kobe, KD and MJ
 
Mediocre Man said:
If (when) Grant comes back, do we really need a wing? Grant IS NOT a 4. He is a very poor rebounder and this team got killed on the boards last year. I think we really need to be looking for for a 4. Either that or if Grant can’t guard 3s then move the fuck on
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I encourage you to take a long look at Jarace Walker's tapes. Here's guessing you'll like him a lot

STOMP
 
So lets say it is Ant and #3 for Brown and that becomes a done deal.

So Dame/Sharpe/Brown/Grant are likely locks.

what is the next move?

i was thinking it would be to find a more mobile/ defensive minded center who can rebound.
However, im not so sure it isn't getting a solid veteran back up pg and a few more proven role players on the bench.

what im about to say hinges alot on Sharpe coming into his own defensively, but if he can/does, i think that Dame/Sharpe/Brown/Grant can be lethal on both ends of the court. This will make Nurks job much easier. He has never had quality perimeter defenders to help him out.
Nurk can focus more on defending the paint, rebounding and blocking shots.
On the offense he would have to lose the thought of being a go to guy. He would need to be happy with facilitating at the top of the key a bit like Jokic but mostly live as a screener and rebounder.

if Sharpe takes the defensive jump ( we already see where his offense is at)and Nurk puts the ego aside for team ball,

im not so sure that starting five cant be seriously dangerous. We need more depth of quality role players on the bench though.
If we could find a quality backup big and a solid backup four, i think thybulle/reddish/justice and eubanks can fill the rest in and we could be a top four team.

A balanced team is often better than the individual parts. The sum can be greater than the individual.

Something like this?

Dame/Pritchard/Mays
Sharpe/Thybulle/Reddish
Brown/Justice/Reddish
Grant/ZachCollins/Watford
Nurk/Poetl/Eubanks


I think the players i brought in could be gettable with little return.

23 and a second to chi to free up future firsts.

A future first and Johnson or re-signed Reddish for Collins?

A future first and Walker for Poetl?

What would it take to get Pritchard?

I think moves like this, after getting Brown, will be the more likely scenario, with the hopes of tweaking it before the trade deadline based on who is fitting and the needs/holes still left.
 
Phatguysrule said:
There is no path that leads us to a championship without taking big risks..
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huh? Is trusting your GM who (with his staff) is proported to be an excellent talent evaluator to take the BPA a big risk? Granted that may take a few years to accumulate enough talent to compete for a championship, but I see that as the prudent path not risky. If you're trying to turn this crappy roster into a contender next year, then yeah, nothing but big risks await

STOMP
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
How many 1st are you including with Nurk and Ant for Siakam? Toronto would want much more.
I would love to get Duren though in that swap. But they would really have to like who is at #3 to just move up 2 spots.
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He is including #5 pick in this year's draft. That plus Nurk and Ant seems fair for a guy on last year of his contract....
 
BlazerBender said:
So lets say it is Ant and #3 for Brown and that becomes a done deal.

So Dame/Sharpe/Brown/Grant are likely locks.

what is the next move?

i was thinking it would be to find a more mobile/ defensive minded center who can rebound.
However, im not so sure it isn't getting a solid veteran back up pg and a few more proven role players on the bench.

what im about to say hinges alot on Sharpe coming into his own defensively, but if he can/does, i think that Dame/Sharpe/Brown/Grant can be lethal on both ends of the court. This will make Nurks job much easier. He has never had quality perimeter defenders to help him out.
Nurk can focus more on defending the paint, rebounding and blocking shots.
On the offense he would have to lose the thought of being a go to guy. He would need to be happy with facilitating at the top of the key a bit like Jokic but mostly live as a screener and rebounder.

if Sharpe takes the defensive jump ( we already see where his offense is at)and Nurk puts the ego aside for team ball,

im not so sure that starting five cant be seriously dangerous. We need more depth of quality role players on the bench though.
If we could find a quality backup big and a solid backup four, i think thybulle/reddish/justice and eubanks can fill the rest in and we could be a top four team.

A balanced team is often better than the individual parts. The sum can be greater than the individual.

Something like this?

Dame/Pritchard/Mays
Sharpe/Thybulle/Reddish
Brown/Justice/Reddish
Grant/ZachCollins/Watford
Nurk/Poetl/Eubanks


I think the players i brought in could be gettable with little return.

23 and a second to chi to free up future firsts.

A future first and Johnson or re-signed Reddish for Collins?

A future first and Walker for Poetl?

What would it take to get Pritchard?

I think moves like this, after getting Brown, will be the more likely scenario, with the hopes of tweaking it before the trade deadline based on who is fitting and the needs/holes still left.
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Spending another first round pick on Zach Collins is laughable, we already gave up two for him and cut him. I can't imagine sitting at the 2027 draft and seeing our pick go to San Antonio from a second trade for him.

Don't think I've ever heard of a franchise giving up multiple picks 10 years apart for acquiring the same player twice.
 
BlazerBender said:
So lets say it is Ant and #3 for Brown and that becomes a done deal.

So Dame/Sharpe/Brown/Grant are likely locks.

what is the next move?

i was thinking it would be to find a more mobile/ defensive minded center who can rebound.
However, im not so sure it isn't getting a solid veteran back up pg and a few more proven role players on the bench.

what im about to say hinges alot on Sharpe coming into his own defensively, but if he can/does, i think that Dame/Sharpe/Brown/Grant can be lethal on both ends of the court. This will make Nurks job much easier. He has never had quality perimeter defenders to help him out.
Nurk can focus more on defending the paint, rebounding and blocking shots.
On the offense he would have to lose the thought of being a go to guy. He would need to be happy with facilitating at the top of the key a bit like Jokic but mostly live as a screener and rebounder.

if Sharpe takes the defensive jump ( we already see where his offense is at)and Nurk puts the ego aside for team ball,

im not so sure that starting five cant be seriously dangerous. We need more depth of quality role players on the bench though.
If we could find a quality backup big and a solid backup four, i think thybulle/reddish/justice and eubanks can fill the rest in and we could be a top four team.

A balanced team is often better than the individual parts. The sum can be greater than the individual.

Something like this?

Dame/Pritchard/Mays
Sharpe/Thybulle/Reddish
Brown/Justice/Reddish
Grant/ZachCollins/Watford
Nurk/Poetl/Eubanks


I think the players i brought in could be gettable with little return.

23 and a second to chi to free up future firsts.

A future first and Johnson or re-signed Reddish for Collins?

A future first and Walker for Poetl?

What would it take to get Pritchard?

I think moves like this, after getting Brown, will be the more likely scenario, with the hopes of tweaking it before the trade deadline based on who is fitting and the needs/holes still left.
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Good post overall though, just the Collins and Poetl for 1st part isn't smart IMO.

If the Blazers send out a first for role players it should be a single first for ~4 role players like the Lakers did.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Good post overall though, just the Collins and Poetl for 1st part isn't smart IMO.

If the Blazers send out a first for role players it should be a single first for ~4 role players like the Lakers did.
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I know. I rolled my eyes while typing that too. But we can't change the past. Collins would be an ideal backup though. So of im overpaying then thats great. We have a boatload of 2nds. 2nds per player instead of the firsts? Then we have future forst to matbe even go after a true 6th man s oree to put with pritchard/ collins and the like?

i just think people are more down on this team right now as not being good enough because of the last two years. BUt we were tanking. We were damn near a 500 team with major imbalance. Balance the roster and add a player like Brown and i think we are in the mix.
 
STOMP said:
I encourage you to take a long look at Jarace Walker's tapes. Here's guessing you'll like him a lot

STOMP
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A little short with a nice wingspan. Paul Milsap vibes. Loves to play defense and rebound
 
Mediocre Man said:
A little short with a nice wingspan. Paul Milsap vibes. Loves to play defense and rebound
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I've said it before, you don't play basketball with the top of your head. Nonetheless, taller, longer, heavier & much more explosive then Draymond at his predraft. Also has a handle, some playmaking and a 3 point shot. Like Green, he's a 4 who could definitely spend time at the 5

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
huh? Is trusting your GM who (with his staff) is proported to be an excellent talent evaluator to take the BPA a big risk? Granted that may take a few years to accumulate enough talent to compete for a championship, but I see that as the prudent path not risky. If you're trying to turn this crappy roster into contender next year, then yeah, nothing but big risks await

STOMP
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Nobody said this team had to be a contender next year.

Historically, it is much easier to get to a championship when starting with an all star than starting with none.
 
Mediocre Man said:
3 and Johnson for 5 and Duren

Then

5, Nurk and Ant for Siakam

Dame
Sharpe
Grant
Siakam
Duren
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#3 and Johnson for #5 and Duren is interesting. I doubt DET agrees to that. Duren is their clear cut big of the future, at least a full tier above Bagley and Wiseman. They would really have to LOVE Scoot to do this. No way they do this for Miller. I do this 100% if this was on the table though. If you go the young route, turning #3 into two future cornerstones.

Sharpe is the future at SG.
Duren would be the future at C.
It only takes HOU to love one of Walker or Whitmore for the clear #4 prospect to fall to us. Likely Amen, who would be a cornerstone at SF.

I don’t know if I would trade #5, Nurk, and Ant for Siakam. Duren also isn’t seasoned enough to start yet imo. This is where the roster would stand after drafting Amen.

Dame/Ant/Mays
Ant/Sharpe/Thybulle
____/Amen/Thybulle
Grant/Watford/Walker
Nurk/Duren/____

We would still have #23 and the 2nd rounder. Siakam and Grant isn’t a winning tandem imo. I’d rather make a trade for a bridge 3-D guy like DFS. I don’t think Grant and someone that we can trade for that fits in the GPII TPE or a MLE guy wouldn’t be that much worse than Grant/Siakam.

Cronin could either trade #23 for our pick back if Schmitz doesn’t see someone he likes or trade the 2nd rounder to unprotect the pick in 2023 if he does. Nurk and Ant are expendable if Duren or Sharpe show during the season that they can be a long term starter. Ant, Nurk, Little, and a full assortment of picks could bring in an upgrade at SF or C during the season.

Sure, Siakam and Grant sound better than Grant and DFS, on paper. But we still don’t have a point-of-attack defender with Siakam. We would with DFS, and we also have Amen would could possibly be great at that one day and Thybulle who still is despite gambling too much. I’m staying away from Masai.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
How many 1st are you including with Nurk and Ant for Siakam? Toronto would want much more.
I would love to get Duren though in that swap. But they would really have to like who is at #3 to just move up 2 spots.
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Yeah it seems far fetched. But getting Duren + another player in the top 5 to pair with Sharpe for the future would be an exciting one.

Do they love Scoot enough to trade Duren though?
 
Phatguysrule said:
Nobody said this team had to be a contender next year
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Sorry not sorry. Anyone advocating for trading what you got today for established/older talent when your stud is a couple months from 33... connect the dots.

STOMP
 
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Obviously after the sweep, we will trade the pick for LeBron.
 
STOMP said:
Sorry not sorry. Anyone advocating for trading what you got today for established/older talent when your stud is a couple months from 33... connect the dots.

STOMP
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Simply advocating that we try to get better rather than trying to get worse.
 
STOMP said:
who is advocating that the team should try to get worse?

STOMP
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I didn't say anybody else was advocating for anything. Only that I am advocating for management making the move with the pick that they think wins us the most games next season and pushes us deepest into the playoffs.

If that turns out to be keeping and using the pick then that's what we should do. If it means we trade it then that's what we should do.

Keeping in mind that historically, teams who have an All Star tend to be more successful than those who do not. It's typically better to keep your All Stars if winning is what you are trying to do.
 
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What’s the value of the #3 pick if teams that want it don’t know who’s going to be available?
It could be all the offers coming to Cronin are for Scoot Henderson.
 
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